To those who complained Tyrant was too easy...

So, tonight we've been on a tear. Six successes in a row. Not everyone has been +3, and not everyone has gotten out of the lightning by a long shot. Team composition has been all over the place.

The most important thing is just to get the Lights ASAP. We have not assigned teams to it, just given instructions to do it. Often it coincides decently with when you have to run away from the lightning anyway.

You pour on attacks and debuffs, pop Lore when he hits around 20% HP, and lay it on. as fast as you can. Buffs like Speed Boost and Accelerate Metabolism are very nice for keeping up the pressure and for moving in and out of lightning strikes fast. Rebirth and other healing are nice for keeping slow-moving folk from dying every time.

None of these things were asked for by the leader. (There was a stone tanker who was pretty cantankerous about getting SB, but...) On the 6th run I was sure we were going to fail, and we pulled it out somehow with literally less than a minute to go, with a huge fraction of the league seeming to get VRs. That rocked.

This is challenging but not impossible. We're doing this on day 2. I expect it to get much better, and then eventually decay in quality for pure pugs (led by inexperienced leaders), which is what has happened for pretty much all iTrials - even BAF.

Edit: Went on to succeed a 7th-10th time. (I rotated what I was bringing each time, as I was more interested in the completion badge than iXP, since I expect farms to be around for a good while.)

Edit2: These were all 20-24 person leagues.

I havent touched a full run since yesterdays failfest, right now Im just finnishing up farms on my last 2 toons.

It seems most of the trial launches are now farms, its very hard to get a full run going, I saw one poor leader was trying while I fully hybrided out my character before he actually got to lauch it.

It might get better it might not, but the way I see it, by the time it gets figured out one way or another it wont be my problem.

No single player leading other people around with misinformation has gotten anything changed here, ever. If anything changed when someone was doing that in an effort to get it changed, I am completely confident that was a coincidence - other more reasonable factors were involved in why it changed.

Please make Default Tyrant a lot harder. Increasing his regen by at least 25% and increasing his damage by twice of that should be sufficient. As well as increasing the AoE radius of both his Fist and his Lightning Bolts by 100%.

I need more tears of failure to feast upon.

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Originally Posted by Snow Globe I don't think we can agree on that. As it stands, it is a needless wall that occurs late in the trial. I don't think the requirement should be to ensure that 1/4 of the league has strong debuffs. Oh, and something else that needs to be fixed: Click thumbnail for larger image.

It's working. It's an oddly-coded level shift that doesn't appear like that. But it's working.

I would LOVE to know how you are getting any successful runs on this lousy trial. 11 PUGS - 11 Failures. If this is the direction the game is going, then why bother ? It's "supposed" to be fun... it's supposed to be do-able with a PUG. I've yet to see it for myself. Personally I am highly turned off by this trial.

**Damien**

see the issue here now isnt how hard the new trial is. its why we waited so long for hybrid to come out people dont need to finish it to slot it.

i suggest maybe we dont wait another year for the next 1 to open.

Oh and to the OP, I've led about 7 or so Mag. iTrials and 5 (6?) were successful.

I know for sure one time we were trying for the "Hard Way" badge but I waited too long to cancel the badge attempt and by the time I said, "just use temps to kill the lights" it was too late and we failed.

Few key things:

1.) Have a leader that communicates what to do/when to do it.
2.) Make sure there is enough debuff/buff and (ranged) damage toons


To expound upon things a bit...


# 1: This is pretty much common for any "new" iTrial (and any itrial that's still requires more thought than "hit him (ie. anything past BAF and Lambda)."

Having a leader say, "MOVE" when the "air starts to crackle" at the Tyrant fight and "Lights in 5 seconds" when the Connections to the Well are about to come up is key.

I guess for some people they don't move unless they are told to do so (not even then sometimes ). They don't see "air crackle" message and just stand there.

They don't pay attention to the iTrial UI saying, "Connection to the well comes up in x seconds."

Why? Too much information? Beyond that, who knows.


One of the leagues I was leading (doing the Mag. iTrial) we were fighting Tyrant and going on for a good 10 mins and looked like we were about to fail (had about 2-3 mins left). Someone in the league that was also in a global channel I was a part of said, "why are we failing?" type of question.

Someone else said, "leader not leading" (paraphrased). It was true I wasn't saying, "move" and "lights in 5 seconds"....by that time it was the 6th or so Mag itrial I ran in a row (back to back) and frankly was tired of saying, "MOVE" and "lights!" every 5-20 seconds.

I thought the league I was in (most of the players were "good" players that I at least knew casually) so I was expecting "more" from them I guess.

Anyways, the one player that asked, "why are we failing?" in the global channel started to say, "move" and "lights" and somehow we beat Tyrant.

So just having that person saying, "move" and "lights in 5!" helps out....just like in the Keyes iTrial telling when the Oblit. beam is coming, etc.


I will point out that if the leader of the league can have 6 people (dependable people if possible) singled out (in league chat for all to see) saying, "these 6 people are going to do the lights/sever the connections, everyone else stay on Tyrant."

Having those 6 people sorted out seems to help. That way when the leader says, "lights in 5!" not everyone is scrambling to look for lights; only 6 are moving away from Tyrant and the rest of the league is still fighting/hitting Tyrant.


Of course have some backup people in case one of those 6 die but...just in general that also seems to help.




# 2.: For all those people that complained about "the Minds of Mayhem iTrial hates melee people!", it seems this one hurts melee the most. I've been on a good 15+ itrials now (not counting the ones where we all decided just to farm the 250 mobs) and the 1-3 trials that I've failed seemed to either have:

a.) lack of communication
b.) were trying for a badge and didn't cut the attempt soon enough
c.) lack of damage


I'm not sure how to explain c. We had quite a few tankers/scrappers a couple of times...but were they doing damage or were they dying too much (or just running around/away from Tyrant)? Did we not have enough debuffs?


I can't answer it but it does seem to favor ranged toons that can do damage/debuff so....*shrugs*


Now I've rambled....


But I hope it helps!