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Posted on: 2012-05-06 19:10 in Comic and Hero-Villain Culture
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No, it's more of a case that Ed Norton thinks things are done better if they're done by Ed Norton. He had a hand in the script, motion capture and if you attribute some stories, some say in the direction of Incredible Hulk. That's not to say that he's a control freak, but he's that kind of personality that comes to things with a particular vision and drive. And I can't see him signing onto The Avengers and giving up that form of control over the character. |
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source lulz. he sounded annoyed. Maybe he is envious of the success of the Avengers and not to be involved due his greed and arrogance lol. I mean who HASN'T seen the Avengers yet??? well now we have the answer.. Edward Norton! |
What we get instead is an intense and likeable character actor who gets greatly encouraged by the director to bring a lot of his influences (mainly Bill Bixby, and that's an enormous compliment to the late actor) in playing the role. I definitely see echoes of Bixby in Ruffalo's performance, especially the wry and weary humor.
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Even though it's been said by other posters, even I have to say that I think you're off-base here, Arcana. In terms of overall cultural impact, Star Wars has it all over the Marvelverse in terms of the length and breadth of cultural recognition and impact that it had. |
Originally Posted by Arcanaville
I don't think that's a fair comparison because the Avengers is not the beginning of something like the original Star Wars trilogy was. The Avengers is the culmination of something, more comparable to the prequel movies than the original series.
In terms of pop culture influence and creative impact, it would be more proper to compare Lucas and Star Wars with Stan Lee (plus Kirby and Ditko) and 60s Marvel Comics. To say that the Avengers lacks new and unique signatures compared to its components is like saying The Clone Wars just recycles light sabers and droids. The Avengers have been around for 49 years, the Hulk for 50 years. Captain America has been around for 71 years and he just featured in the biggest movie in the world not directed by James Cameron. I'm sure Star Wars will still be around in three decades but if Han Solo features in the biggest blockbuster of 2048, then Star Wars will be able to lay claim to the pop culture longevity represented by (but not exclusively comprised of) the Avengers. |
Lucas was smart enough to write from the universal mythology playbook, where everyone could hook into it one way or another. The Marvel characters only had one or two genuinely mainstream characters in Spider-Man and the Hulk thanks to their respective tv shows and cartoons. Captain America, for good or bad, was something of an afterthought in the modern age, and had nowhere near the global recognition that his closest counterpart in Superman has. Asking people to identify Cap's shield compared to the S-shield isn't even a contest. Now compare Cap's recognition factor to that of Darth Vader's helmet or a lightsaber.
Star Wars is genuinely socially permeating on so many levels, from spiritualism to technology and most importantly, mythology. Star Wars is a very unique beast in that it cut through cultural divides and east vs. west distinctions to become universally appreciated. Even Star Trek manages this feat in different ways because of the values and ethos it represents.
By comparison, Marvel and the Avengers have only now just achieved that kind of global visibility and whether that's maintained is something yet to be seen.
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Prior to The Avengers; only Downey had two 'Avenger' movies under his belt (and is slated for a third).|
Originally Posted by BrandX
Those "one-shots" were already said to have a sequal coming before Avengers hit theatres. Hell before they even hit theaters. I think the only way they wouldn't have gotten a sequal was if they bombed terribly.
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Evans had one.
Hemsworth had one.
Johansen had none and was an supporting cast member for Downey.
Ruffalo came in as a reboot (hence none of his own).
Renner had none.
Even the Shield connection was more tightly wound and more personalized in the Downey series (probably the only reason that Coulson's death had the impact it did).
Outside of the Downey cult (as opposed to the cult of Iron Man); only the Hulk managed to position himself as a contender for a cult following. IMO.
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I was only commenting that Captain America and Thor were not one shot's who's sequal rided on Avengers. They were already said to have sequals coming, not dependent on Avengers.
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Originally Posted by Yogi_Bare
Prior to The Avengers; only Downey had two 'Avenger' movies under his belt (and is slated for a third).
Evans had one. Hemsworth had one. Johansen had none and was an supporting cast member for Downey. Ruffalo came in as a reboot (hence none of his own). Renner had none. Even the Shield connection was more tightly wound and more personalized in the Downey series (probably the only reason that Coulson's death had the impact it did). Outside of the Downey cult (as opposed to the cult of Iron Man); only the Hulk managed to position himself as a contender for a cult following. IMO. |
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Believe it's already confirmed that Ben Kingsley is playing Mandarin. The Chinese involvement should help to head of accusations of ethnic stereotyping.
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Originally Posted by Father Xmas
I saw a report that Iron Man 3 will be a joint project between Disney and China. Mandarin anybody?
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IMDB shows him listed as The Mandarin. Hm, perhaps his Zhang Tong incarnation from the 2nd Dave and Bob run on Iron Man? He was a businessman and corporate counterpart to Tony.
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Originally Posted by PRAF68_EU
Believe it's already confirmed that Ben Kingsley is playing Mandarin. The Chinese involvement should help to head of accusations of ethnic stereotyping.
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Finally managed to catch the movie last night.
In short: Joss is Boss.
Longer: while some may gripe about Joss's lack of spectacular scale (erm: were you lot asleep during the Helicarrier takeoff scene?) what I love about this movie is that everyone - EVERYONE - gets gifted with a share of the action and Joss-given beauteous one-liners, right the way from the leads right down to the bit-part players ("Target acquired... target is angry. TARGET IS ANGRY!!" / "Son... you got a condition".)
Also, note the depth roles given to Johannssen and Cobie Smulders: though they capably curve out a catsuit and kicks, they're both depicted as brilliantly capable, trusted agents in their own right. Looking forward to more of Maria Hill next time around.
Is it time for the dance of joy yet?
For those of you who thought the plot of Avengers was a little thin, you're missing Loki's long game. Here's a description of the actual plot of the Avengers, as planned by the Master of Trickery. Makes sense to me.
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Or maybe Loki is just nothing like as smart as he thinks he is.... |
Originally Posted by RemusShepherd
For those of you who thought the plot of Avengers was a little thin, you're missing Loki's long game. Here's a description of the actual plot of the Avengers, as planned by the Master of Trickery. Makes sense to me.
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Loki is doubtless quite bright and a reasonable judge of character. However,he's no Lord Nemesis, as he suffers from four classic supervillain failings:|
Originally Posted by PRAF68_EU
Or maybe Loki is just nothing like as smart as he thinks he is....
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1. The assumption that his plan IS going to work as intended with no secondary/backup plans.
2. Massive superiority complex, especially when it comes to judging character.
3. The assumption that heroes can't bluff, play fair(ish), and don't have twisty backup-plans themselves (notably: exploding arrows).
4. Treating a hero team as less than the sum of its parts.
Is it time for the dance of joy yet?
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Nah, I think he's still working an angle. He wanted to go back to Asguard, and he has.|
Originally Posted by DreamWeaver
Loki is doubtless quite bright and a reasonable judge of character. However,he's no Lord Nemesis, as he suffers from four classic supervillain failings:
1. The assumption that his plan IS going to work as intended with no secondary/backup plans. 2. Massive superiority complex, especially when it comes to judging character. 3. The assumption that heroes can't bluff, play fair(ish), and don't have twisty backup-plans themselves (notably: exploding arrows). 4. Treating a hero team as less than the sum of its parts. |
I think the next Thor movie will be a follow up to the Avengers chronologically.
Why?
The 'big bad' at the end is Thanos.
The Invinity Guantlet is in Odin's armory.
"If you fail us, there is no place you can hide from us, no distance, no barren moon you can hide on that we cannot find you..." (to paraphrase the leader of the Chitari).
You do the math. Loki's still playing them all.
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I couldn't agree more.
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The smart-a** failed to mention that Loki's "stupid" plan actually worked. Loki's deal with Thanos was he would get the tesseract, open a portal to the chitauri army, and have them take over the world, then he would give the tesseract to Thanos.|
Originally Posted by RemusShepherd
For those of you who thought the plot of Avengers was a little thin, you're missing Loki's long game. Here's a description of the actual plot of the Avengers, as planned by the Master of Trickery. Makes sense to me.
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Loki successfully stole the tesseract, and then he successfully bought time for it to be converted into a portal by letting himself get captured, having already put his escape plan into action with Hawkeye. He successfully sowed dischord among the Avengers, successfully deployed the tesseract, and successfully opened a portal to the Chitauri army.
It was the Chitauri that heavily underestimated Earth and its capabilities and oversold themselves both to Loki *and* Thanos. And I'm not sure what sort of "backup plan" you can have for what to do if your cosmic army fails to defeat your enemies and you lose control over the most powerful object in the universe. That's a plan A that doesn't admit many plan Bs, and with Thanos' agent apparently watching him, that's also a plan A that doesn't allow for many opportunities to enact a plan B of any kind.
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Loki wanted to raze the Earth and rule what was left, yes. This would sadden Odin but also hurt THOR since THOR has a fondness for Earth now. He also wants to prove that he is superior to THOR and ODIN, and I can't help but think that while we didn't see any signs of a backup plan on Loki's part in Avengers that the great schemer of Asgard is not as defeated as he looked, despite Hulk turning him into a ragdoll.
Loki revives from that pasting the Hulk gave him, he's wounded and still stunned and can't focus his magics so he decides some discretion is in order and lets himself be bound and gagged and taken back to Asgard.
The Chitauri made it clear there was no place he could hide if he failed, and knowing THANOS and his history of brilliance and cosmic powers he can breach the dimensions and invade Asgard. The tesseract is now there and we saw the Infinity Gauntlet in Asgard's weapons vault. If Thanos gets his hands on either or both then the universe is in dire peril.
Can the Asgardians face Thanos and the Chitauri? Well if Thanos personally gets involved then only two Asgardians can face him in terms of power: ODIN and THOR. Also if the Destroyer can be reactivated then that could be a weapon against THANOS and the Chitauri. Loki likely thinks he is safe from THANOS in Asgard and I suspect that THOR 2 will prove him wrong and will be the lead in to Avengers 2. Captain America 2 will mainly be about Cap fitting in and learning of his friends fates as well as facing whatever menace is thrown at him, rumors were of MODOK but who knows.
Iron Man 3 is supposed to be based on Extremis so that means there is a chance that movie Tony may take a dose of Extremis and upgrade himself instead of just his armor. Possible Thanos tie ins with the energy of the arc reactor and how it was based on tesseract research. Also if movie Tony takes Extremis then he could heal his injured heart and purge the shrapnel from him, though he may still need the arc reactor in his chest. I'd also expect Iron Man 3 to tap into a loose end from IM2, namely that Hammer got his hands on the mark 2 armor and weaponized it into War Machine, that would mean that Hammer studied it, made diagrams and blueprints of its design and also studied the software that helps run the armor.......ARMOR WARS anyone? Hammer could have sold that tech to anyone and thus now many can outfit themselves with stolen Stark-tech.
I'm skeptical. They already did Armor Wars in the first Iron Man.
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You mean second Iron Man movie.
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Originally Posted by Sir Neil
I'm skeptical. They already did Armor Wars in the first Iron Man.
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I supposed that could be considered armor wars, but then again that wasn't Stark Tech run amok it was the inferior hammer tech plus War Machine. Also I like how War Machine's armor control was usurped for awhile, just like when Hammer first appeared in Iron Man comics with a way to override control of the armor and frame Tony for murder.|
Originally Posted by Sir Neil
I'm skeptical. They already did Armor Wars in the first Iron Man.
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Still though, the fact is that in IM2 Hammer got his hands on some Iron Man tech. Surely he has all the specs and diagrams on file.
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Correct. The Iron Man vs. Iron Monger fight at the end of the first movie was based more on his original fight with Titanium Man back in the old Tales of Suspense issues. |
Originally Posted by Father Xmas
You mean second Iron Man movie.
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Villain in larger, more heavily armed armor vs Iron Man who is experiencing power supply/chest plate life support issues. Had Iron Man had a proper arc reactor in him for that fight it would have gone differently, I'm sure.
Though I still laugh at this part:
"How'd you solve the icing problem?"
"Icing problem?!" suit shuts down
"Might want to look into it!" bangs Iron Monger on the head.....
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Originally Posted by Nericus
Correct. The Iron Man vs. Iron Monger fight at the end of the first movie was based more on his original fight with Titanium Man back in the old Tales of Suspense issues.
Villain in larger, more heavily armed armor vs Iron Man who is experiencing power supply/chest plate life support issues. Had Iron Man had a proper arc reactor in him for that fight it would have gone differently, I'm sure. Though I still laugh at this part: "How'd you solve the icing problem?" "Icing problem?!" suit shuts down "Might want to look into it!" bangs Iron Monger on the head..... |
I thought Iron Man vs. Iron Monger was based on this...
Good heavens that was some ugly Iron Man armor.
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Originally Posted by mousedroid
I thought Iron Man vs. Iron Monger was based on this...
Good heavens that was some ugly Iron Man armor. |
Iron Man 1 gave us Iron Monger vs Tony with a prototype power source that was insufficient for the Mark 3 armor thus life support/power problems similar to his original fight with Titanium Man back in Tales of Suspense and the 1966 cartoon.
As to that armor from IM 200 that was the new Silver Centurion armor and it was a nice break from the red and gold suit but I was glad that Dave and Bob suited him up in red and gold again at the end of Armor Wars.
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As far as Ed's "envy" goes there's a long list of actors who were up for various roles that turned out to become classics with alternative people. He wasn't the first to miss out like that and I'm sure he won't be the last either. And when these actors are interviewed they almost always dismiss it as something that "didn't bother them" or "wasn't that important to them". When you think about it there's not much else they can say without looking too childish about it - do I have to mention Sean Young's breakdown over Catwoman?
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