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I bought 24 and was still one costume piece short so bought another 12 and got it. I also got >1500 merits in the first 24. I had one pack where 4/5 rewards were merits. No doggie, not buying more of the old ones but will buy the new ones.
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Originally Posted by Ael Rhiana
I think I bought 18 packs total. I had all of the costume pieces by my 8th pack, had the wolf by the 15th pack, ended up with about 500 reward merits, 1 catalyst, and about 8 ATO's. Oh...and 60 enhancement boosters and unslotters.
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Well I'd be happy to help you tip them so send me your extra money. I still haven't gotten the black doggie.
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At any rate good luck with the wolf...
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You can disagree if you like, but "gambling" is serviceable shorthand for spending money to have a chance at desirable returns. The only thing I desire from the Super Packs is the costume set and I refuse to bank on my luck in acquiring it. I avoid numerous other randomly packaged items for similar reasons.
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Originally Posted by Lothic
Just about the only part of this I'd even come close to label "gambling" would be the single Black Wolf card. The rest of it is so close to the pseudo-deterministic side of the spectrum that I'll just have to respectfully disagree with your blanket statement.
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Originally Posted by Arcanaville
During the Pummit, I believe it was announced that NCSoft sold over 600,000 super packs (aka three million cards). Based on the best information we have available for super pack content, I can estimate how much "stuff" has been delivered to players in superpacks. For those that like number blizzards, here's my super pack results:
Estimated number of cards by type: Common: 1,326,000 Uncommon: 600,000 Rare: 600,000 Very Rare: 474,000 Estimated Consumables (totals, not cards): Medium Dual Inspirations: 132,600 Medium Team Inspirations: 99,450 Medium Team Dual Inspirations: 66,300 Large Dual Inspirations: 116,025 Large Team Inspirations: 82,875 Large Team Dual Inspirations: 49,725 Enhancement Unslotters: 397,782 Enhancement Boosters: 1,268,980 Enhancement Catalyst: 38,548 Revive Temporary Power: 289,978 Restore Temporary Power: 289,978 Experienced Temporary Power: 454,032 XP Booster: 247,439 Windfall Power: 227,766 Prestige Booster: 49,725 Estimated ATIOs: 260,792 Estimated Reward Merits: 25,810,525 Miscellany: Estimated value of ATIOs in superpacks based on current pricing: five to fifteen trillion influence Under optimal conditions, maximum number of Black Wolf pets that are statistically likely: 1428 (approximately one in 420 packs) Estimated Points spent on Superpacks: between 36 and 48 million Estimated Value of Points: $375,000 - $600,000 (numbers do not factor in reward token purchases) |
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Originally Posted by Zwillinger
The fact that you do this for fun is terrifying.
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Yes but there is a difference between the OVERALL chance you have to get different things with these Super Packs. Sure the odds for the Black Wolf in particular are relatively low. But the odds are so phenomenally in our favor to get the complete Elemental costume set within 20-30 packs that it's just about as close to being strictly deterministic as the sun rising in the East tomorrow morning. Buy 30 packs and you'll have the set.|
Originally Posted by Tenzhi
You can disagree if you like, but "gambling" is serviceable shorthand for spending money to have a chance at desirable returns. The only thing I desire from the Super Packs is the costume set and I refuse to bank on my luck in acquiring it. I avoid numerous other randomly packaged items for similar reasons.
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I simply find fault with your seeming willingness to look at one part of the Super Pack system and label the entirety as "pure random gambling". Just because the Black Wolf is hard to get doesn't mean that ANYTHING else you could get from Super Packs is. *shrugs*
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I thought that, once the costume pieces had been gotten, the chance of getting a wolf was about 1 in 250 packs?
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Originally Posted by Arcanaville
Under optimal conditions, maximum number of Black Wolf pets that are statistically likely: 1428 (approximately one in 420 packs)
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Originally Posted by Lothic
Yes but there is a difference between the OVERALL chance you have to get different things with these Super Packs. Sure the odds for the Black Wolf in particular are relatively low. But the odds are so phenomenally in our favor to get the complete Elemental costume set within 20-30 packs that it's just about as close to being strictly deterministic as the sun rising in the East tomorrow morning. Buy 30 packs and you'll have the set.
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(Of course, it doesn't matter to me, since they contain things I actively unwant, so I'm not getting any.)
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Different items in these packs are WEIGHTED differently. That means that for every pack you open you're going to be much more likely to get some things (the Elemental Set items) than other things (the Black Wolf).|
Originally Posted by seebs
This does not fit with how I understand statistics to work.
(Of course, it doesn't matter to me, since they contain things I actively unwant, so I'm not getting any.) |
I'll leave it to Arcanaville to explain the details if she wants. Suffice it to say if you are willing to buy roughly 20-30 packs you will have a much greater than 50% chance to have ALL the elemental set pieces. The odds are so much in our favor on those things it's almost laughable to call it gambling under any connotation.
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It's not a normal distribution. The costume pieces are significantly weighted so that they appear early. It's entirely possible for a player to not receive the whole set after 20 packs, but the chance of that happening is extremely low.
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Originally Posted by seebs
This does not fit with how I understand statistics to work.
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I didn't say anything about the Black Wolf. I don't care about the Black Wolf. It is, in fact, not the smallest part of my consideration. There is no costume set that I would randomly pay 2400+ points for simply because I wasn't lucky enough to get it at around the 800 point mark.
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Originally Posted by Lothic
Yes but there is a difference between the OVERALL chance you have to get different things with these Super Packs. Sure the odds for the Black Wolf in particular are relatively low. But the odds are so phenomenally in our favor to get the complete Elemental costume set within 20-30 packs that it's just about as close to being strictly deterministic as the sun rising in the East tomorrow morning. Buy 30 packs and you'll have the set.
I simply find fault with your seeming willingness to look at one part of the Super Pack system and label the entirety as "pure random gambling". Just because the Black Wolf is hard to get doesn't mean that ANYTHING else you could get from Super Packs is. *shrugs* |
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Originally Posted by Tenzhi
I didn't say anything about the Black Wolf. I don't care about the Black Wolf. It is, in fact, not the smallest part of my consideration. There is no costume set that I would randomly pay 2400+ points for simply because I wasn't lucky enough to get it at around the 800 point mark.
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Originally Posted by seebs
Of course, it doesn't matter to me, since they contain things I actively unwant, so I'm not getting any.
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Even so, as long as the chance is less than 100%, I am reluctant to spend real money on it. At the Pummit, they floated the idea of players being able to sell their unopened Super Packs at the auctionhouse. I would be ok with risking INF on a random roll.
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Originally Posted by Lothic
Suffice it to say if you are willing to buy roughly 20-30 packs you will have a much greater than 50% chance to have ALL the elemental set pieces.
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Originally Posted by Lothic
Then I'll simply conclude by saying "your loss, mate".
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I did the super packs to get the costumes...
I sold the ATOs (made a nice chunk of change I might add)
Used the excessive merits to buy high selling recipes..made an impressive chunk of inf.
The xp boosters came in handy for the level 30-40 range on a few toons
The dual insps are great; especially at lower levels when insp carrying is low.
The catalyst woot
The only thing I actually haven't used were the few enhancement unslotters I got...
So I think it's funny when people say the packs are full of useless stuff... to each their own. I will buy SP2 when they come out and hopefully are on sale when they release.
(I was THIS close to buying a few more super packs for catalysts, but ended up getting them in game hehe)
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I'm not seebs, but I'll answer after pointing out that unwanted is not the same as not knowing the use for. I could use all of the items in the packs, I suppose, I just have zero reason to do so.|
Originally Posted by Golden Girl
What exactly are the things in the packs that you'd be able to find zero use for, and are tyring to avoid ever getting near your avatar?
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In my case I have no real use for:
- Insiprations - Nice and all, but I often find myself going whole playing sessions without popping one anyway
- Reward Merits - I tend not to really spend the ones I have now. I think my main character is sitting on a couple thousand of them.
- Enhancements - The ATOs are nice, but I'm not guaranteed to get the ones I want, nor am I really into min/maxing my build. I don't have a fully IO'd out character at all. The inf I could get selling them is likewise a waste. I've got a few billion in inf I don't spend now.
- Enhancement Boosters, Unslotters, and Catalysts - More of the same. It's not that I don't know what they're for or what they can do; I just don't find them to be needed.
- Experience Boosters - I don't have any real need here either. Leveling is stupidly easy in this game even without farming.
- The pet wolf - It does what now? Yeah.
Basically I'd love to get the costume, but I honestly have no interest in anything else the packs include. I know the costume is specifically included to tempt people like me, but so far it hasn't. I'm not upset with Paragon Studios trying to make money (and apparently they did well on these) because the more they make the more they'll spend on developing things I want like new powers, un-super packed costumes, and content. Nor do I begrudge those who loved the packs or anything like that. I just wish you and others wouldn't pretend like the packs are full of things everyone wants. I'll accept that line of reasoning from Zwill or Black Pebble, they're paid to say so. You're just oblivious.
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Originally Posted by Golden Girl
What exactly are the things in the packs that you'd be able to find zero use for, and are tyring to avoid ever getting near your avatar?
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Long story short: I have a slight tendency towards packrat/hoarding behavior. I find it upsetting to use consumables that are not actually supplied by the game. So if there's no way for something to come into existence except someone spending money to make it, I will never use it. Meaning it's even MORE clutter for my already badly cluttered in-game mail. Which I already can't actually unclutter, because I have this huge stack of one-time things that I can only claim for one character.
So no super packs for me as long as the consumables are irreplaceable. If they become replaceable through normal play, then I lose my objection to them, because then those are ordinary items I can use or not.
I got the black wolf pet on the last card in my second pack of 24s.
Funny thing is, I was not looking for the wolf pet. I wanted the rezzes, and the merits, experience tokens, unslotters, and ATOs
Matter of fact, I love everything in the Superpacks EXCEPT the team inspirations..I wish I could dump the useless things in WW....someone might want them....maybe.
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Originally Posted by McCharraigin
Matter of fact, I love everything in the Superpacks EXCEPT the team inspirations..I wish I could dump the useless things in WW....someone might want them....maybe.
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Visit the Hero Corps Analyst for a slider adjustment- suddenly, you'll have a use for most of that stuff!
Well, not the wolf, but....
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Originally Posted by Nethergoat
Visit the Hero Corps Analyst for a slider adjustment- suddenly, you'll have a use for most of that stuff!
Well, not the wolf, but.... =P |
You're using the same line of reasoning that Golden Girl was. It's not that I don't know how to use them, what they do, or why other people use them. I just don't care. I didn't need them to run mission arcs, SF/TFs, or incarnate content. I'm not concerned that I'm running on x3 while someone else is running at x8. Yes, I'm annoyed that there's a costume I don't have and, yes, I'd jump at the chance to buy it outright without the whole pack thing. I know I'm in the minority in not buying any packs. I'm okay with other people buying them if it makes them happy, although I'll admit part of me did want them to crash and burn so they'd wouldn't package another costume into the super packs. What bugs me is people like you and Golden Girl thinking that without them you're either gimped or too dumb to know what the items do.
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I think I bought 18 packs total. I had all of the costume pieces by my 8th pack, had the wolf by the 15th pack, ended up with about 500 reward merits, 1 catalyst, and about 8 ATO's. Oh...and 60 enhancement boosters and unslotters.
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