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It does have a positive message on the whole, meant to highlight it as a good thematic fit to the larger AP topic not the AP-is-happy-fun-time sub-topic.

Similar, Ringo had a collapse of tech civilization as AP/fantasy series, think it is called The Council Wars. The first book was good fun There Will Be Dragons. Bit of a reach for this AP discussion, though, as it becomes much more fantasy/sci-fi...

Ex-Heroes was a fun read. I haven't got around to reading the sequel, yet.

The Road is soul crushing. I watched the movie and made it through to the end just blindingly, achingly hoping for some glimmer of sadness to brighten things... (And because Bale's performance was fantastic.) I'll never pick the book up now.

*shrug*
That's as may be.

The point is when you're dealing with a post-apocalyptic setting grim misery is generally implied.

There are a small handful of exceptions across genres (Fallout, Six String Samurai was mentioned, maybe a few more) but the overwhelming majority of works on the topic would be objectively categorized as 'depressing'.

Arguing otherwise is akin to starting a debate on the color of the sky on a clear summer's day.

Didn't even know it was out. Ordered it on amazon as soon as I read your post.

See, maybe it is because I actually have a wife and kids I feel this way. I have no clue if I do or not, but the loss if them would pretty much get labeled as soul crushing to me. It is the same reason I avoid King books. He agrees that the loss of a child is one of the most horrifying things in the world, and leverages it every chance he gets.

Which brings up "The Stand" another PA novel/movie.

Happy to help.

My point is that I've only rarely run across a post-apocalyptic setting that manages to *be* depressing, regardless of what may or may not be implied.

Depending on your location and the time of day, the aforementioned sky could be any number of colours. And that's before getting into differences in colour perception.

You are suggesting that the Post-Apocalyptic genre is not depressing, yet the site you send me to is black, dark, and full of dingy scenery with gas-masked fully covered "people" that would make the 5th column seem nice at first glance? Not to mention that you can make that "outfit" right now in the character creator if you so desired?

Give me a break.

First game named:
As for the other, it is still a ****sack world.

And not one of these examples are coming from an overly-troped future that has humanity that is just barely above the primitive stage of development. Not to mention that THIS GAME already has not one, but two oppressive sets of zones (Rogue Isles and Praetoria, especially 1st ward).

http://www.google.com/search?um=1&tb...st+apocalyptic

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I'll take that as an insult

But yeah, if given the choice on the boards, I'd pick Thrown Weapons over Radiation anything. Because rad is covered:

-Caustic foe affecting radiation = Radiation Emissions
-Solar Radiation = Energy anything
-Toxic = got me there but that ain't gonna be Rad armor or Rad melee
-Radiation mutation = Biotic Armor
-Green Glowie stuff = pick an aura

But this is coming from someone who doesn't care for Rad to begin with...I've got no Radiation defenders/corruptors and the only Rad blast character I ever made, I recolored it aqua so it looks like water blast (worked pretty nicely, actually, and the after effects it left on foes looked like water and bubbles). To me, Rad isn't interesting probably because what makes Radiation truly formidable is that it's invisible. It's a force not perceived by the eyes and goes mostly unseen...radiation could be destroying you from the inside and you not being able to tell until it's too late. Anything else is just bells and whistles more better spent on something more visually appealing.

But like the Stalker changes, I'm not begrudging anyone for wanting it and I'll probably even use the set if it is versatile enough to be colored and played off as more than just radiation.

Also, I didn't get back until yesterday. I've been making up for lost time I guess...

And such worlds can be comedic rather than depressing, or didn't you read the entry you linked to?

Wait Radiation Armor beat out Thrown Weapons?! Now I'm depressed!

I did. They are still based "the fall of humanity". I seriously don't care if that is the starting point for the greatest comedy of all time, it is still based on ****.

Edit:
And the comedy "derived" from such worlds is usually in the form of Comedic Sociopathy. Most such "comedy" is watching someone or something getting hurt. That, to me, is never funny.

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It was more of a joke.

That is pretty true, but it becomes visible on the receiver pretty quick. I speak from experience.

Still, I find anything new for melee pretty exciting. In my opinion Thrown weapons should have been more a melee set that a blaster set any way. Ever actually throw a knife? It is not going to do much at the range blasters tend to work at. However that logic did nothing when DP was added to the game. :/

Actually, if there are any humans around, one could say they're based on the endurance and perseverance of humanity. Not that they deserve to persevere. Lousy bunch of glass half empty pessimists.

It was a joke response to your joke


Don't get me started. Personally, Spines would be just fine a fit if given proper animations for thowing knives/blades....

But I've derailed the thread enough.

When I think of post apocalyptic, I think of Fist of the Northstar....so we need to add Gumby-Physics to the game.

...that page even points out a separate entry for uplifting stories in those settings.

Fallout's even listed there.

Can't believe I forgot that one!

Re: Thrown Weapons - I'd like to see such a set, but I'd want a better secondary to go with it on Blasters.

Completed!

Did Zwill and thanks for allowing us to take it. Just a heads up the Survey Discussion thread doesn't let nonVIP post.

Took it. Thanks. Go Water Blast!

Took it as well. Few interesting bits in there. No idea what Halloween 2 is, but if history is anything to go on, it'll be pretty cool - everyone pulls out their best stuff for Halloween for some reason.

That's your opinion and that's fine, but it's clearly not the majority opinion...

Took it already. Gave it to some Vogons. They promised to make some firelighters with the results.

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As long as they weren't using it to write poetry on...