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I think having an NPC quite blatantly waving it about was a bit of a givaway for even the more obtuse...
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Originally Posted by Zyphoid
We have no clue what is in the works, or on what schedule. Did you not find it odd that psi melee was not suggested at the panel? It has been requested for a LONG time, it was one of the options on the survey back in the day. Odd how it was not brought up there. I figure that is because it is already in the works.
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Soooo sometimes in 2022? Cause the way things are going I think the money train will be going for a while.
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I don't think the whole dev team is perfect. I still want the rest of the CoT costume items, and is it really that hard to tell us if the Black Knight armor is going in the store or not?
But the powers team, yeah, I do think they are the best this game has ever had. There are a lot of reasons for that too. All of them can answer a question or pm w/o being snarky. They are friendly during beta testing. They listen and respond to the desires and concerns of the community. They are willing to work on things the old team wouldn't touch with a 10' staff (pun intended). There are other reasons I could list, but I think you get the point.
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Well I know it's already made...I've seen the power descriptions. My guess is, they aren't even going to put it on Beta until after they release *at least* 2 non-melee powersets.|
Originally Posted by Zyphoid
We have no clue what is in the works, or on what schedule. Did you not find it odd that psi melee was not suggested at the panel? It has been requested for a LONG time, it was one of the options on the survey back in the day. Odd how it was not brought up there. I figure that is because it is already in the works.
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But the attention I think melees deserve? Proliferate more sets to Stalker and proliferate Ice armor/melee to them all. That's really all they need, ATM.
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Originally Posted by PRAF68_EU
I think having an NPC quite blatantly waving it about was a bit of a givaway for even the more obtuse...
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You know how much I disagree with this, but this is not the place for it. Drop me a PM and I will key you in on something else.
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Originally Posted by Leo_G
But the attention I think melees deserve? Proliferate more sets to Stalker and proliferate Ice armor/melee to them all. That's really all they need, ATM.
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And the behavior of a rabid minority in the PvP community has a lot to do with that perception.|
Originally Posted by Leo_G
*shrugs* Are we no longer manning up to largely ignoring PvP before? Not defending childish behavior but I don't like liars either. PvP has been ridiculed and neglected before and still are stereotyped and segregated as something 'ikky' and 'bad'.
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It always has been and probably always will be a tough sell in this game, which was built for PvE and attracted that sort of playerbase. Some PvP'ers continually acting out achieves nothing but reinforcing negative stereotypes.
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Wasn't this talked about extensively in a thread last week? I agree with you, it is on them to change our perception of them.
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Originally Posted by Nethergoat
And the behavior of a rabid minority in the PvP community has a lot to do with that perception.
It always has been and probably always will be a tough sell in this game, which was built for PvE and attracted that sort of playerbase. Some PvP'ers continually acting out achieves nothing but reinforcing negative stereotypes. |
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Personally, I'm most interested in them proliferating Energy Aura to Tankers.
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Originally Posted by Leo_G
But the attention I think melees deserve? Proliferate more sets to Stalker and proliferate Ice armor/melee to them all. That's really all they need, ATM.
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Originally Posted by Nethergoat
And the behavior of a rabid minority in the PvP community has a lot to do with that perception.
It always has been and probably always will be a tough sell in this game, which was built for PvE and attracted that sort of playerbase. Some PvP'ers continually acting out achieves nothing but reinforcing negative stereotypes. |
I love PvP, and i respect people who don't.
We all are different and we like and dislike things others have a different opinion about, this is nothing bad, it's human.
If i am in a PvP zone, and i see someone i can fight, i make sure that they are there to fight and not work on a badge or something else. If they wanna fight, and they are seriously outclassed by me, i'll either call it quits, or if they want to keep going, tone myself down to make it more fair so they can enjoy it better. However, if i am attacked by someone unprovoked, no matter what, i'll use anything i have, after that we can talk about stuff.
I join FNFN (Friday Night Fight Night) on my server, just some friendly PvP in Pocket D, and we have a blast. Always fun, even when i get my behind handed back to me several times in a row. It's just a nice group of people who know what respect is, and we try to bring PvP back to our server that way.
I understand that each community has their bad apples, and if those bad apples act up about something that the majority of the rest of the player base already hate or dislike, it only makes it worse to try and put the whole PvP community in a good light.
The thing we need is respect.
Respect from the few hardcore PvP players to the non PvP crowd, and not be as obnoxious about getting PvP fixed as some are. Also respect from the non PvP crowd to the hardcore PvP players, because they are still a part of this great community, and they do still matter.
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To put it briefly (and I hope no one is offended by my summary), there was indeed a major forum explosion when they introduced Super Packs (microtransactions containing a random selection of items, mostly costume pieces and consumables) that birthed, or at least brought to light, a group with an ideological bone to pick with the whole idea of Super Packs. I believe this happened during the period Nethergoat was absent from the fora.|
Originally Posted by Nethergoat
The conspiracy theories being spun around booster packs sales are simultaneously funny and confounding- was there some massive forum asplosion when they introduced the market that birthed a group with an ideological bone to pick with the whole idea of booster packs?
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Super Packs are distinct from "booster packs," a pre-Freedom Model concept that included a specified set of costume and power items. So far as I know, booster packs no longer exist in their previous form, though the things that were sold in them are still around.
For what it's worth, I generally agree with Nethergoat's assessment of the whole matter, and, indeed, the Plummit as a whole.
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I don't really think I need to know. I mean, I didn't *want* to know about some of the other stuff I had seen...I just wanted to see the Sorcery pool...but I saw a lot more than I bargained for. If it's not on beta, I probably don't need to see it (unless it's more power pools like a mutant pool...then I have to see it...or a melee/(de)buff AT...then I need to see that too...)|
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You know how much I disagree with this, but this is not the place for it. Drop me a PM and I will key you in on something else.
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Personally, I'm most interested in them proliferating Energy Aura to Tankers.
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...melee don't really need a whole bunch more stuff...definitely not the amount of attention they seem to be getting from the powerset development department.
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I find myself putting a lot of this into the category of This game has pretty successfully covered a lot of the obvious/important stuff (and more), and much of what is left (that doesn't seem impossible for this engine) is going to be odd/eccentric stuff. (I'll have to come up with a shorter title for that category some day, haha)|
Originally Posted by Olantern
Both this thread and the Plummet itself reinforced an idea that my brain just keeps stubbornly resisting: the players have some very, very eccentric fixations.
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That's what I've come to think, as I struggle to find new ideas that aren't as widely craved as new things of the past.
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I just really do not enjoy any of the red side content. Now, if I had the option to kill off the contact in the end like in some of the GR arcs, then I would be all about it. I would play 1-50 there again just for the chance to kill Phipps.
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Honestly, I pretty much just do paper and mayhem missions Redside (not necessarily because I dislike the other content, but more-so, because I enjoy the freedom of being my own villain via the generic missions... and getting to rob banks and destroy things including police and heroes!).
I don't need any other content! Just mentioning it for fun's sake... not that everyone should agree with me.
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...The conspiracy theories being spun around booster packs sales are simultaneously funny and confounding- was there some massive forum asplosion when they introduced the market that birthed a group with an ideological bone to pick with the whole idea of booster packs?
I don't see anything to nitpick- they're massively popular, they made Paragon a tidy sum, and even players who hate the whole concept and swore a blood oath to never buy one still benefit from their contribution to the bottom line. ... |
People were happy spending their money and points on known/guaranteed virtual items. Some people have zero interest in randomized grab bags (which is fine), but... by adding in exclusive content, in the form of costume pieces (we all know how many issues gated costumes can create among this game's fans) there was a lot of negative reaction to the new packs.
It's no new ideology of some players... it was a new type of transaction.
*shrugs*
Glad the event went well!
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Originally Posted by Olantern
To put it briefly (and I hope no one is offended by my summary), there was indeed a major forum explosion when they introduced Super Packs (microtransactions containing a random selection of items, mostly costume pieces and consumables) that birthed, or at least brought to light, a group with an ideological bone to pick with the whole idea of Super Packs. I believe this happened during the period Nethergoat was absent from the fora.
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And yeah, I meant Super Packs...old habits die hard!
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I don't really think I need to know. I mean, I didn't *want* to know about some of the other stuff I had seen...I just wanted to see the Sorcery pool...but I saw a lot more than I bargained for. If it's not on beta, I probably don't need to see it (unless it's more power pools like a mutant pool...then I have to see it...or a melee/(de)buff AT...then I need to see that too...)
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I have to disagree again though. I am happy that what I like is getting so much attention. That is granted a bit selfish of me, perhaps that is my inner villain coming out.
In a perfect world there would be a whole team dedicated to each AT type. A melee team, a control team, a support team, and a ranged team. Sadly we do not live in a perfect world, and Paragon just doesn't have that kind of money.
To be fair the other ATs are not really getting screwed, they are getting new stuff too, they are just getting more of it for free.
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Got home just a few hours ago.
Last count, I had 7 Mai Tais... and they were gooood.
On a more serious note, I wanted to thank everyone who liked my proposal for the Post-Apoc set. I am honestly shocked it made it to the final 3, considering some amazing concepts were put up there. In all honesty, I thought Aztec / Mayan was going to get it. I felt it would have fit thematically as a follow-up to Imperial Dynasty.
But I am deeply humbled who enjoyed my pitch and felt so strongly to let the Wastelands show themselves in Paragon.
For the Revamp a Zone, I wish we had known the criteria they were looking for. I had actually suggested Pocket D, due to it being a smaller zone with minimal mission content to worry about. I thought of them using TUNNEL there instead of just another transit system, adding AE, upgrading the graphics, updating the track list, and a VIP subscriber area for servers that do not RP to use it as a safe place to gather for Trials. ((also showing your Incarnate shifts))
Had I known the criteria, I would have suggested Nerva in a heartbeat. I can only hope Villains can steal Striga, though.
This was a blast, I'm glad Zwill and the team were kind enough to ustream it as well. It's one of the things I love about this game and it's dev team, it's dedication to it's players and openness.
Again, thanks to a wonderful team and a community that I am deeply honored to call my friends, and who humble me with their support.
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I just wanted to see the Sorcery pool...
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....nooo?
Someone tell the devs to just make more Defensive Sets! They don't need to be heavy graphic wise (usually discouraged anyways) and just need more options!
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Originally Posted by Olantern
the players have some very, very eccentric fixations.
Post-apocalyptic costume set? I'd never been given even the slightest impression that there was anyone interested in this sort of thing, but now we're getting it, according to this thread because it had the best and most popular presenter. Radiation armor? I might've argued for this, but I'd always had the impression that I was in a very small minority. |
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Actually, it didn't really have anything to do with the presentation - both the choices are based on the same nuclear theme, and once one was chosen, it was pretty obvious what the other choice was going to be
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When I started hearing Film Noirs and Aztecs, I took it as read that one of those were going to get it.
I just threw everything I had into pitching the hell out of the set.
For those curious, my power set didn't even get up far enough for me to pitch. It was Disease Control or Infection, whichever name they preferred. A ranged damage set with low DMG but heavy on DoT and status effects.
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Pitch it as a Toxic Blast set and I'd jump on it in a heartbeat.
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For those curious, my power set didn't even get up far enough for me to pitch. It was Disease Control or Infection, whichever name they preferred. A ranged damage set with low DMG but heavy on DoT and status effects.
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Pitch it as a Toxic Blast set and I'd jump on it in a heartbeat.
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Yeah, that's pretty bad and you should feel bad for suggesting it...but I'd have played it still. Call it Pestilence, then pitch it with the 3 other sets Famine (support set that is all debuffs), Death (control set using bones) and War (it'd have to be a Mastermind set but they said to leave those out...)
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For those curious, my power set didn't even get up far enough for me to pitch. It was Disease Control or Infection, whichever name they preferred. A ranged damage set with low DMG but heavy on DoT and status effects. |
a good way to revamp zones is not (?) neccessarily (?) revamping them to the extent that they need to incarnate them or change them in anyway, but rather redside needs focusing on and the way they should go about thta is maybe rewarding the players for being a villain, say for instance the catch is that the more villain missions and tfs yu do the bonus infamy and maybe a more chance of rare recipes drops as an incentive to be a villain, thematically it would make sense since being a villain you'd want more money, apart from that the option of doing a "chance mission" where doing particular or chosen missions you have the chance to get a rare incarnate salvage for incarnates or a rare recipe at say every 5 levels as an incentive to keep playing or after every story arc.
again these are ideas that should be tossed up to the devs to see where it would go, the zones themselves are actually fine.
as for the powersets, i would not have picked radiation armor, but thats my opinion, instead people have asked more for psychic armor, energy control, including more options to existing powers and even mechanics, for instance, fire control, a buff of slow burn damage build up with each attack, just ideas i would have thrown out there, im sure loadso f people got even better ideas, and yes before someone jives in with "oh you can use energy aura or willpower for psychic armor" sorry that doesnt suffice, just like nobody would use energy aura for radiation melee, just my two cents really.
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