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It was a "problem" as soon as they introduced the 'new' penny, because you could still rescue the adolescent version of her in the Lady Grey TF, 5 levels later than when you can first meet the adult her. |
Originally Posted by Oathbound
It's already a problem, given that child Penny is part of the Faultline arcs (in the final mission of the zone, even), who's upper end occupies the exact same level range as the Penny TF.
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But then that's if you treat each event chronologically by level. Which the game clearly isn't trying to keep strict.
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And as a villain player from the start, this is just about the last thing I want. The bleak and depressing feel is the great thing about the Rogue Isles. The last thing the devs should do is take away its current atmosphere.|
Originally Posted by Goliath Bird Eater
As far as red-side zones go, I'm not sure if there's any in real need of being revamped. The Mercy update did wonders for it as a starting zone, but none of the other zones have the same problems that Mercy had. There's the aesthetic issue of the Rogue Isles as a whole, but that really comes down to personal preference (I, for one, am not particularly bothered by everything being grimy and red). And a wholesale remake of the Isles to make them "brighter" is beyond the scope of what the developers would be willing to do.
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The hero zones are far more in need of an update than the Rogue Isles anyway. I'm actually playing a lot more heroes now with the Atlas revamp. The place finally got some character. This villain votes for the devs putting their time and effort in updating the Paragon zones first. And making the Shards coop, and fill it up with Incarnate arcs and trials.
@True Metal
Co-leader of Callous Crew SG. Based on Union server.
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Originally Posted by Android_5Point9
Which is why I liked Posi's idea of revamping Striga and giving it to villains. Even the scales ever so slightly.
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@True Metal
Co-leader of Callous Crew SG. Based on Union server.
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I've no problem with a high rez version of King's just none of this perma night/rain crap. I think rain is pretty much out as we all know where War Witch stands on that. |
Originally Posted by Xzero45
I disagree. Kings Row is great and all, but visually it has 2004 graphics. It could definitely use some touching up with higher res textures. Higher res doesn't necessarily mean pretty and pristine like new AP. But if it gets new content in the form of vigilante/street level stuff, which I'd absolutely love, the zone really needs to be touched up here or there.
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It needs arc revamp and zone level adjustments. In fact with the rate we level now days every zone should get a level adjustment if such a thing is possible.
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Excellent ideas. Just don't do perma night/rain. While it might be visually appealing it would make no sense.
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Originally Posted by Golden Girl
The new Atlas Park content actually sets up Kings Row even better than before - meetign Icedrone halfway through the Atlas storyline, then ending with Aaron Thiery is a perfect lead in to a zone that explores the vigilante style of crimefighting, with Blue Steel and the history of the Clockwork as an ideal story focus - plus, it also gives a great chance to explore the PPD a bit more - like how do normal beat cops feel about working in the city of heroes? Do they feel like they're always being overshadowed by superpowered crimefighters? Do they ever feel inadequate and undervalued because of it? Do they ever resent it, and would any of them ever be openly hostile to or uncooperative with heroes?
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I'd love to have Magnetic Control. I have a Gravity/Earth Dominator that is running the whole magnetism theme but it doesn't quite feel right.
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Originally Posted by Leo_G
Good thing I wasn't there. If I was and I saw you scratching out your name and I'd have known you were going to suggest Magnetism as a control set, I'd have kicked you in the kneecap...twice.
Magnetism is a *GREAT* set idea and I'm sure many would love to play it...If the devs aren't going back to add alternate animation themes for old sets so you could swap Earth Control theme for a Metal Control theme (it only half-a-quarter works with the color customized) then the devs should be considering the set seriously. The visuals could spawn from the ground and basically be pipes and I-beams that sprout up and wrap around foes' bodies/legs. A key/unique power could be a sleep/confuse toggle aura conceptualized as minutely controlling the metal on or in biological creatures and a strong high-mag confuse on robots because you can control the metal they're made of. The pet could either be a hulking golem of metal held together by your energies or simply a floating titan weapon that just goes around smacking stuff...would be awesome if it was like an amorphous liquid metal ball that morphs into stuff (big gun, big arm, big hammer) for every attack but that's probably too hard. But yeah, Magnetism or Metal Control would have gotten my support. |
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And yet quite a lot of people like it, if the continual popularity of Fallout is anything to go by.|
Originally Posted by Snow Globe
If there is one genre that I despise, it has to be "post apocalyptic". It is almost uniformly depressing. The whole artistic movement has people with no imagination other than to see how much blood can be splattered or how much the human race has been "wrong" about whatever the artist has a beef over.
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So...sorry? They wound up with something you don't like. Doesn't mean everyone doesn't.
De minimis non curat Lex Luthor.
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I have no idea why some folks like GG think the game is. It NEVER has.
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Originally Posted by Agent White
It was a "problem" as soon as they introduced the 'new' penny, because you could still rescue the adolescent version of her in the Lady Grey TF, 5 levels later than when you can first meet the adult her.
But then that's if you treat each event chronologically by level. Which the game clearly isn't trying to keep strict. |
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Originally Posted by Leo_G
But yeah, Magnetism or Metal Control would have gotten my support.
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Uh, yeah, well, whenever you notice something like that... a mender did it. |
Originally Posted by Agent White
It was a "problem" as soon as they introduced the 'new' penny, because you could still rescue the adolescent version of her in the Lady Grey TF, 5 levels later than when you can first meet the adult her.
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@Redcap
ANARCHY = A Society that does not need government
114. Ahrouns do not appreciate my particular brand of humour, so I should stop bleaching bulls-eyes in their fur.
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When I think "post apocalyptic", the first two things that come to mind are Fallout and Gamma World, both of which have a humorous bent. The third thing that comes to mind is Mad Max, which still isn't particularly depressing - more like a pulp adventure, really. Indeed, I'm having trouble thinking of something post apocalyptic that's depressing.
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If there is one genre that I despise, it has to be "post apocalyptic". It is almost uniformly depressing. The whole artistic movement has people with no imagination other than to see how much blood can be splattered or how much the human race has been "wrong" about whatever the artist has a beef over. |
Goodbye may seem forever
Farewell is like the end
But in my heart's the memory
And there you'll always be
-- The Fox and the Hound
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Let's start with The Road by Cormac McCarthy.|
Originally Posted by Tenzhi
When I think "post apocalyptic", the first two things that come to mind are Fallout and Gamma World, both of which have a humorous bent. The third thing that comes to mind is Mad Max, which still isn't particularly depressing - more like a pulp adventure, really. Indeed, I'm having trouble thinking of something post apocalyptic that's depressing.
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Most Post-Apoc fiction is very depressing, but that's certainly no reason to not do a costume set on it. I don't know what the other ideas were, but I think the best concept won. Can't wait to see what they came up with (football shoulder pad armor is a MUST!
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Agua Man lvl 48 Water/Electric Blaster
"To die hating NCSoft for shutting down City of Heroes, that was Freedom."
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Firs I've heard of it, though the breakdown on wikipedia reminded me of The Dark Tower series. It doesn't sound like the sort of post-apocalypse scenario that inspires costuming, though.
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Originally Posted by Mental_Giant
Let's start with The Road by Cormac McCarthy.
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Goodbye may seem forever
Farewell is like the end
But in my heart's the memory
And there you'll always be
-- The Fox and the Hound
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There's some hints that indicate that LGTF may be scheduled for a revamp, possibly moving the existing one to Ouro or something similar.
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Originally Posted by Balanced
It's not my fault the devs broke the timeline there. I have been trying to overlook it ever since they decided to copy/paste her into that role. It's already a problem, since you can do that TF, then go rescue child-Penny ten levels later.
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PA stories can take many forms, but when most people think of it in terms of costumes, they're thinking Road Warrior type stuff. Sports equipment re-purposed into armor, trash cans as shields, baseball bats with nails in them, repaired and jury-rigged firearms covered with duck tape, etc.|
Originally Posted by Tenzhi
Firs I've heard of it, though the breakdown on wikipedia reminded me of The Dark Tower series. It doesn't sound like the sort of post-apocalypse scenario that inspires costuming, though.
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Some of that we already have, but there's a lot of room for improvement.
Agua Man lvl 48 Water/Electric Blaster
"To die hating NCSoft for shutting down City of Heroes, that was Freedom."
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And despite the cited sources, I can't begin to think about how the post-apoc could be anything but grim and depressing...|
Originally Posted by Tenzhi
When I think "post apocalyptic", the first two things that come to mind are Fallout and Gamma World, both of which have a humorous bent. The third thing that comes to mind is Mad Max, which still isn't particularly depressing - more like a pulp adventure, really. Indeed, I'm having trouble thinking of something post apocalyptic that's depressing.
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Originally Posted by Tenzhi
Firs I've heard of it, though the breakdown on wikipedia reminded me of The Dark Tower series. It doesn't sound like the sort of post-apocalypse scenario that inspires costuming, though.
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The Postman by David Brin (not the horrible film adapatation, the fine book) is good.
SM Stirling has an interesting take with his Montival series.
City of Heroes was my first MMO, & my favorite computer game.
R.I.P.
Chyll - Bydand - Violynce - Enyrgos - Rylle - Nephryte - Solyd - Fettyr - Hyposhock - Styrling - Beryllos - Rosyc
Horryd - Myriam - Dysquiet - Ghyr
Vanysh - Eldrytch
Inflyct - Mysron - Orphyn - Dysmay - Reapyr - - Wyldeman - Hydeous
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Two-headed, four armed, six legged "humanoid" pink elephant... that's water soluble and worships a VHS tape of Dumbo and dreams of someday flying.
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Originally Posted by Chyll
And despite the cited sources, I can't begin to think about how the post-apoc could be anything but grim and depressing...
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Goodbye may seem forever
Farewell is like the end
But in my heart's the memory
And there you'll always be
-- The Fox and the Hound
Doesn't at least some post-apoc fiction end with the main hero having survived a harsh landscape, after battles with fiercer enemies in a world that has been torn asunder? How does that not speak of overcoming adversity and perserverance?
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That's more New School Wacky Gamma World. The old school release was pretty grim. And how exactly was Road Warrior not depressing?
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Originally Posted by Tenzhi
Two-headed, four armed, six legged "humanoid" pink elephant... that's water soluble and worships a VHS tape of Dumbo and dreams of someday flying.
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Agua Man lvl 48 Water/Electric Blaster
"To die hating NCSoft for shutting down City of Heroes, that was Freedom."
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That's a character from the first version I played. I wouldn't call it New School, exactly, as to me that would apply to the Alternity version and beyond. But it could get pretty crazy, and is part of what I think of when I think "post apocalyptic".|
Originally Posted by Mental_Giant
That's more New School Wacky Gamma World. The old school release was pretty grim. And how exactly was Road Warrior not depressing?
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I didn't find Road Warrior depressing. To me it was just a pulp adventure along the lines of the B movie sword-y flicks only with guns and cars. The first movie in the Mad Max series is probably the most grim, but it's just the requisite disaster that sets the title character on his path. No worse than Batman, really.
Fallout could be depressing if it took itself seriously. Instead, it comes across as dark humour.
There are undoubtedly purely depressing post-apocalyptic stories, but I wager most of those lack the... apunkalyptic stylings commonly associated with the genre, visually speaking.
Goodbye may seem forever
Farewell is like the end
But in my heart's the memory
And there you'll always be
-- The Fox and the Hound
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Then your choices at the time sure didn't match what was going on at the gaming tables I sat at.|
Originally Posted by Tenzhi
That's a character from the first version I played. I wouldn't call it New School, exactly, as to me that would apply to the Alternity version and beyond. But it could get pretty crazy, and is part of what I think of when I think "post apocalyptic".
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Originally Posted by Tenzhi
There are undoubtedly purely depressing post-apocalyptic stories, but I wager most of those lack the... apunkalyptic stylings commonly associated with the genre, visually speaking.
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City of Heroes was my first MMO, & my favorite computer game.
R.I.P.
Chyll - Bydand - Violynce - Enyrgos - Rylle - Nephryte - Solyd - Fettyr - Hyposhock - Styrling - Beryllos - Rosyc
Horryd - Myriam - Dysquiet - Ghyr
Vanysh - Eldrytch
Inflyct - Mysron - Orphyn - Dysmay - Reapyr - - Wyldeman - Hydeous
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I seem to remember late 70's/early 80's Gamma World being pretty wacky.|
Originally Posted by Mental_Giant
That's more New School Wacky Gamma World. The old school release was pretty grim. And how exactly was Road Warrior not depressing?
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I think it may have gone through a serious phase in the 90's...
I really should do something about this signature.
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Originally Posted by Chyll
Then your choices at the time sure didn't match what was going on at the gaming tables I sat at.
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I had a tendency to lighten games I was in. Even grim Call of Cthulhu games I ended up in would turn into pulp adventures, or at the least take on some of the darkly humorous qualities of Evil Dead.
Perhaps the real implication is that one gets out of it what one takes in.
Goodbye may seem forever
Farewell is like the end
But in my heart's the memory
And there you'll always be
-- The Fox and the Hound
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The version I played appears to be 4th edition from 1992. I think the prior editions were all boxed sets. If they were wacky, it's beyond my knowledge. I thought the Alternity version that came later was supposed to be serious, but I haven't exactly kept up with it over the years.
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Originally Posted by PRAF68_EU
I seem to remember late 70's/early 80's Gamma World being pretty wacky.
I think it may have gone through a serious phase in the 90's... |
Goodbye may seem forever
Farewell is like the end
But in my heart's the memory
And there you'll always be
-- The Fox and the Hound
That reminds me, can we please get a cancer pet?
@Redcap
ANARCHY = A Society that does not need government
114. Ahrouns do not appreciate my particular brand of humour, so I should stop bleaching bulls-eyes in their fur.