Marvel Avengers First Review
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Posted on: 2012-04-23 08:05 in Comic and Hero-Villain Culture
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Shut up! Elektra was great |
Originally Posted by _Arda_
Elektra, Catwoma... I am looking at you!
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Anyway! I just got back from the Avengers. I have to say, the Thor/Loke thing wasn't as stupid as the Thor movie. Overall, pretty darn fantastic movie.
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Compared to Catwoman, Elektra was a masterpiece.|
Originally Posted by _Arda_
I went yesterday to watch it, it was awesome. For me, this is the first superheroes movie with a battle with an epic feeling. I can't recomend it enough!
As much as I am a Marvel fan, I think this list is a bit biased... what about the genre-defining original Superman movies? The pre-Nolan Batman films? Same on the ther side, there was the infamous Captain America from the 90s among others. Finally, while DC-WB control all the movies they make, the Marvel ones (out of Avnegers characters) are made by other studios (Fox, Sony,...), so it is hard to compare many studios versus one. Plus it is not clear to me what is the point of the list, are we comparing quantity or quality of movies? Elektra, Catwoma... I am looking at you! Cheers @Arda |
Marvel also seems to be wining on the ratio to passable moves to painful turkeys, as we as just on numbers.
Green Lantern was the big hope for DC. When that flopped, they where pretty much stuck with their big two.
To a degree, I think DC heroes are not just older but also perceived as more old fashioned by movie producers.
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I think where DC falls down is, well, they just aren't as funny as the marvel stuff.
the big names in the Justice League, they're all VERY pompous and pious, especially the likes of Superman, Batman and Wonder Woman. There's no light-hearted undertone in the team, nothing to overcome when they have to win the battle
Avengers has that in spades, it feels like a real dysfunctional and human team, one that you can believe in and support and want to win when they group up at the end.
The JLU animated series worked as it had the humour of Wally West as the Flash, plus a lot of funny supporting characters. A movie with Barry Allen in it, the only one of the big 7 that's really got a sense of humour is Hal Jordan, at least in his early days. I think that's what they tried to introduce with the GL movie but it never quite gelled in the same way that Robert Downey Jr did with Iron Man.
Comic Book movies such as the big teamups work best when there's a little bit of humour in there, Justice League will be hard pressed to do that.
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I think GL's problem was in the bad guy they used. It wasn't one people want to see.|
Originally Posted by Coin
I think where DC falls down is, well, they just aren't as funny as the marvel stuff.
the big names in the Justice League, they're all VERY pompous and pious, especially the likes of Superman, Batman and Wonder Woman. There's no light-hearted undertone in the team, nothing to overcome when they have to win the battle Avengers has that in spades, it feels like a real dysfunctional and human team, one that you can believe in and support and want to win when they group up at the end. The JLU animated series worked as it had the humour of Wally West as the Flash, plus a lot of funny supporting characters. A movie with Barry Allen in it, the only one of the big 7 that's really got a sense of humour is Hal Jordan, at least in his early days. I think that's what they tried to introduce with the GL movie but it never quite gelled in the same way that Robert Downey Jr did with Iron Man. Comic Book movies such as the big teamups work best when there's a little bit of humour in there, Justice League will be hard pressed to do that. |
While I rather liked it, it would of had better mass appeal to have Hal go up against an opponent that felt like a person and not a big mass of dust.
It's also the problem with Superman. We need to see him do those special scenes of lifting heavy objects, flying through the city, but you need to see them against opponents that allow them basicly to go hand to hand with their super abilities.
We already know the heroes are going to win, but it's more appealing to feel the sense that "Hmmm...this person could do it"
You can have that with Superman, you can have that with GL, you can have that with WW.
Batman of course you can have that.
Good scripts work too.
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GL earned every bit of it's dismal 27% Rottentomato average, and at this point it seems DC's only conduit to tell a coherent and engaging story runs through Chris Nolan. Who, thankfully has a hand in the Supes reboot.|
Originally Posted by BrandX
I think GL's problem was in the bad guy they used.
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I actually rewatched GL a couple of days ago and it's still better than a number of superhero films. I just think the current Batman is just to hard of an act to follow.
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I did see the Avengers and loved it, going again at least once more this week and maybe one more time after and again maybe! well with made great humour, drama and action.
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Green Lantern was...alright. Leagues better then say, X-Men Last Stand or Origins: Wolverine.
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Originally Posted by Father Xmas
I actually rewatched GL a couple of days ago and it's still better than a number of superhero films. I just think the current Batman is just to hard of an act to follow.
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On the other hand, DC seems to be the only ones with a strong female lead that people recognize. They should capitalize on that. I'd watch a Wonder Woman movie (of course, it still needs to be a good movie |
Originally Posted by Coin
I think where DC falls down is, well, they just aren't as funny as the marvel stuff.
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)As for Green Lantern, I never saw it. From the trailer I got the impression it was a silly slap-stick comedy, which is not really something I care for. Especially not in a superhero movie.
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This. Saw it last night and it's just an excellent action movie. There are some small Josh Wheldon-esque things in it but they're for the most part pretty funny. |
Originally Posted by Maressa
Saw the movie earlier. Don't really have much else to add that hasn't been said. Don't let your anti Joss Whedon feelings stop you from seeing this movie. It is awesomeness incarnate.
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My favourite thing about the whole movie was Banner / Hulk. Mark Ruffalo is excellent and the character finally gets to be fun for a change (with some pretty dark one liners thrown in by Banner as well along the way).
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I thought this new Banner did a great job. Also, despite my misgivings about the whole Thor/Loke angle, I thought the guy playing Loke did a superb job.
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Originally Posted by Carnifax_NA
My favourite thing about the whole movie was Banner / Hulk. Mark Ruffalo is excellent and the character finally gets to be fun for a change (with some pretty dark one liners thrown in by Banner as well along the way).
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Aye, Loki comes out with one of the most withering one-line insults I think I've ever heard and said with such malevolent relish.
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Originally Posted by Slaunyeh
I thought this new Banner did a great job. Also, despite my misgivings about the whole Thor/Loke angle, I thought the guy playing Loke did a superb job.
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GL isn't a bad movie, per say. It's the way Hal is done in the majority of the film, I think. It just doesn't come off just right. It's worth a rental to see it once or if you catch it on one of the cable movie channels. I'd compare it to the first Ghost Rider or the second Fantastic Four films: Good, but 'something' was lacking...|
Originally Posted by Slaunyeh
As for Green Lantern, I never saw it. From the trailer I got the impression it was a silly slap-stick comedy, which is not really something I care for. Especially not in a superhero movie.
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A bit on topic...
The GF & I can't wait to go see this film.
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My one problem was how the hulk was portrayed with gorilla like mannerisms...even to the point of walking with his feet and fists at one point.|
Originally Posted by Carnifax_NA
This. Saw it last night and it's just an excellent action movie. There are some small Josh Wheldon-esque things in it but they're for the most part pretty funny.
My favourite thing about the whole movie was Banner / Hulk. Mark Ruffalo is excellent and the character finally gets to be fun for a change (with some pretty dark one liners thrown in by Banner as well along the way). |
Also...Hulk punching Thor was funny as hell...but I really wish they would of left it out of this movie...to keep it a more serious tone.
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Originally Posted by Vitality
My one problem was how the hulk was portrayed with gorilla like mannerisms...even to the point of walking with his feet and fists at one point.
Also...Hulk punching Thor was funny as hell...but I really wish they would of left it out of this movie...to keep it a more serious tone. |
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Fantastic movie, very well done. Each Avenger got their screen time and played their roles well. Also kudos to Joss Whedon for giving us the Hulk at his proper power levels, just like Ang Lee did with his Hulk movie. As much as I liked the 2008 Hulk, that Hulk was a bit powered down compared to Ang Lee Hulk and the Avengers.
Excellent dialog, nice level of humor and angst, great FX. Also a nice tribute scene to the cover of Iron Man volume 1 issue 118.
Thoroughly enjoyed the scene of Stark talking to Loki as well as the reasons for that scene. Also as Stark described the team and mentioned "a man with breathtaking anger issues" Loki's smile at that statement and the audience laughing was nicely timed.
Also enjoyed the scene as Cap gives everyone their orders for the big fight. Hulk was the last one to receive orders and it was simply this:
Cap turns to HULK and says "And HULK.......!" Hulk looks at Cap for his orders and Cap just says, "........SMASH!" Hulk just grins, leaps into the air and proceeded to carry out the only order he needs. SMASH!
Also, be thoroughly prepared to roll in the aisles with laughter at how Loki is defeated. Not his grand scheme mind you, I mean Loki himself. You'll know it when you see it
Finally, you want to stay for the credits and the bonus scene....
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Yeah. Without any spoilers... anyone know who that is? I have my suspicions, but seeing how I know next to nothing about the Marvel franchise, I'm probably wrong. |
Originally Posted by Nericus
Finally, you want to stay for the credits and the bonus scene....
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"Hope is the first step on the road to disappointment."
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I wish the hulk model would have been closer to the 2008 hulk. He seemed to clay-like in the avengers.
That being said...these are just nitpicks to a good movie.
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Without spoilers, yes. The line about 'courting death' was not a coincidence.
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Originally Posted by Slaunyeh
Yeah. Without any spoilers... anyone know who that is? I have my suspicions, but seeing how I know next to nothing about the Marvel franchise, I'm probably wrong.
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Saw this just yesterday in a lovely deluxe cinema (out here in Australia, we have Gold Class cinemas where you get lazyboy chairs with the whole electric backrest/footrest thing and menu meals and alcohol if you want), and I loved the utter heck out of this film. It ranks up there with X-Men 2 for me (for very different reasons) as a superhero ensemble film.
Everyone gets a moment to shine. Every character has a character moment and Whedon lets his actors well....act. Robert Downey Jr looks reinvigorated as Tony Stark and Chris Evans projects just who Captain America is pitch perfectly.
And Mark Ruffalo is my new shiny perfect Hulk. I am a huge Hulk fan and I've had to go through two flawed movies before I get the big guy properly done on screen. Stay with us, Mr. Ruffalo. We need you.
Lots of funny lines and subversions of the genre (the bit with Loki near the end is hillarious) and plenty of moments to see the heroes in actual peril, which is hard to pull off in these movies.
I think Joss Whedon not only just stepped into the big leagues, but now will have the rub to pick and choose his projects. And how long have people thought he should, eh?
Five stars from me. Go see this, at least twice. 
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Yeah I know exactly who that is in the bonus scene, and the line about courting death was no coincidence |
Originally Posted by Slaunyeh
Yeah. Without any spoilers... anyone know who that is? I have my suspicions, but seeing how I know next to nothing about the Marvel franchise, I'm probably wrong.
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Originally Posted by Slaunyeh
On the other hand, DC seems to be the only ones with a strong female lead that people recognize. They should capitalize on that. I'd watch a Wonder Woman movie (of course, it still needs to be a good movie
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Originally Posted by SuperOz
I think Joss Whedon not only just stepped into the big leagues, but now will have the rub to pick and choose his projects. And how long have people thought he should, eh?
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Originally Posted by SuperOz
Saw this just yesterday in a lovely deluxe cinema (out here in Australia, we have Gold Class cinemas where you get lazyboy chairs with the whole electric backrest/footrest thing and menu meals and alcohol if you want), and I loved the utter heck out of this film. It ranks up there with X-Men 2 for me (for very different reasons) as a superhero ensemble film.
Everyone gets a moment to shine. Every character has a character moment and Whedon lets his actors well....act. Robert Downey Jr looks reinvigorated as Tony Stark and Chris Evans projects just who Captain America is pitch perfectly. And Mark Ruffalo is my new shiny perfect Hulk. I am a huge Hulk fan and I've had to go through two flawed movies before I get the big guy properly done on screen. Stay with us, Mr. Ruffalo. We need you. Lots of funny lines and subversions of the genre (the bit with Loki near the end is hillarious) and plenty of moments to see the heroes in actual peril, which is hard to pull off in these movies. I think Joss Whedon not only just stepped into the big leagues, but now will have the rub to pick and choose his projects. And how long have people thought he should, eh? Five stars from me. Go see this, at least twice. S. |
RDJ shows once again that he is indeed Tony Stark, he has the character perfectly portrayed. Though I was slightly puzzled that he comments about how the shrapnel is still in him. I would think that by now he would have been able to have the shrapnel removed and still need the mini arc reactor to keep his heart going due to lingering damage.
Mark Ruffalo portrayed a very nice Banner, both humorous and a bit menacing at times as everyone occasionally would get the reminder that keeping Banner calm is a good idea
Chris Evans also has a good lock on the character of Captain America. This movie didn't touch too much on the angst he must be feeling about being 70 years out of time, I suspect that is all for Captain America 2. Nice speech he gave when he landed in that crowd, too.
Scarlet as the Black Widow, no complaints. THOR was also portrayed well as was Hawkeye.
Marvel has been building to this for years and this is indeed a nice payoff. Now we just need to brace ourselves for the sequels to Cap, THOR, Iron Man and hopefully Avengers 2.
I think it's safe to say, if Whedon ever goes back to television, no one will dare cancel his shows for a loooooooong time
Can't wait, going to see Avengers again tomorrow with my wife.
Yes. It's just that good
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I went yesterday to watch it, it was awesome. For me, this is the first superheroes movie with a battle with an epic feeling. I can't recomend it enough!
The Nolan Bat-chise is the best in the genre period, but take it away and Detective Comics has almost nothing [save the Watchmen] to compare to marvels successful comic book adaptations, and that's even without adding the X-Men & Spiderman trilogies.
It actually elicits wincing when the two brands' movie outings are compared, shall we.. =].
Plus it is not clear to me what is the point of the list, are we comparing quantity or quality of movies? Elektra, Catwoma... I am looking at you!
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