Marvel Avengers First Review
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Posted on: 2012-04-23 08:05 in Comic and Hero-Villain Culture
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If it does turn out to be the hit of the year, it might just let Disney pretend that John Carter never happened |
Originally Posted by Nericus
Current projections now show that this weekend the Avengers should surpass the $500 million mark (world wide) and keep on going.
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Also related to that, it seems that Disney have had the sense to buy Marvel and just let them get on with it, instead of trying to add their own style to the brand.
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I think the big test for them will be the inevitable need to eventually repalce actors - like will they go the WB/DC route of obsessively rebooting each hero franchise when there's achnage of actor or director/producer, or will they follow the James Bond model and simply hire a replacement actor who'll carry on in the role as if nothing's changed?|
Originally Posted by Lothic
One would assume it has to some degree. On the other hand Marvel may look at it as an evolution in their business model towards being more "electronic/movie" based than "comic" based in the coming future. Same thing happened when telegraphs used to be the primary form of long distance communication and eventually things like telephones took over. Once everyone accepted telephones the telegraph was eventually phased out.
I'm not saying that folks like Marvel are going to instantly stop making comic books tomorrow. I'm just saying that they'll probably be making their primary money from movies (and by extension electronic forms of media) instead of paper-based comic books in the years ahead. |
Comicbook readers accpet different artists drawing the same heroes in different ways, and if enough movie goers can be led to do the same, then Marvel could actually create a multi-decade movie universe, where there could be, say, 4 actors who've played Thor, but the events in the moves they were in are all part of one continuity.
Like I think it'd be totally awesome if the Avengers assembled in 2022, and the characters were still the same people who took part in their 2012 adventure.
@Golden Girl
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In DC's defense, they didnt reboot the Batman series when they replaced Michael Keaton twice.
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Originally Posted by Golden Girl
I think the big test for them will be the inevitable need to eventually repalce actors - like will they go the WB/DC route of obsessively rebooting each hero franchise when there's achnage of actor or director/producer, or will they follow the James Bond model and simply hire a replacement actor who'll carry on in the role as if nothing's changed?
Comicbook readers accpet different artists drawing the same heroes in different ways, and if enough movie goers can be led to do the same, then Marvel could actually create a multi-decade movie universe, where there could be, say, 4 actors who've played Thor, but the events in the moves they were in are all part of one continuity. Like I think it'd be totally awesome if the Avengers assembled in 2022, and the characters were still the same people who took part in their 2012 adventure. |
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*sigh* Without watching or reading spoilers, I can make a guess on who Whedon's going to kill off. I'm actually getting a bit sick of expecting that from him. He's turning into a variant of M. Night "What a TWIST!" Shamalamadingdong.
I think I'm pretty much over the whole Whedon thing. 
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The did it for Hulk in this movie, and it turned out good.
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Originally Posted by Golden Girl
I think the big test for them will be the inevitable need to eventually repalce actors - like will they go the WB/DC route of obsessively rebooting each hero franchise when there's achnage of actor or director/producer, or will they follow the James Bond model and simply hire a replacement actor who'll carry on in the role as if nothing's changed?
Comicbook readers accpet different artists drawing the same heroes in different ways, and if enough movie goers can be led to do the same, then Marvel could actually create a multi-decade movie universe, where there could be, say, 4 actors who've played Thor, but the events in the moves they were in are all part of one continuity. Like I think it'd be totally awesome if the Avengers assembled in 2022, and the characters were still the same people who took part in their 2012 adventure. |
I really should do something about this signature.
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Don't worry, he doesn't actually kill off any of the Avengers.
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Originally Posted by Dark One
*sigh* Without watching or reading spoilers, I can make a guess on who Whedon's going to kill off. I'm actually getting a bit sick of expecting that from him. He's turning into a variant of M. Night "What a TWIST!" Shamalamadingdong.
I think I'm pretty much over the whole Whedon thing. |
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"Hope is the first step on the road to disappointment."
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John Carter wasn't that bad actually. A bit more editing in a few places, better marketing and some people being a bit more educated on the character's literary history before seeing the movie would have helped.
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Originally Posted by Golden Girl
If it does turn out to be the hit of the year, it might just let Disney pretend that John Carter never happened
Also related to that, it seems that Disney have had the sense to buy Marvel and just let them get on with it, instead of trying to add their own style to the brand. |
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My job took me overseas last week and before I went home I made a detour on the way to the airport and saw the Avengers. |
Originally Posted by Dark One
*sigh* Without watching or reading spoilers, I can make a guess on who Whedon's going to kill off. I'm actually getting a bit sick of expecting that from him. He's turning into a variant of M. Night "What a TWIST!" Shamalamadingdong.
I think I'm pretty much over the whole Whedon thing. |
Yes, someone does die. I won't say who as I don't want to drop spoilers, but I don't think the death ranks down there with M. Night Plot Twist
Toss me a PM if you want to know who it is.
Looks like an extra end credits scene gets added to the movie for U.S. release.
http://spinoff.comicbookresources.co...-u-s-premiere/
The spin off article contains links to the scene, it doesn't appear to be a hint for the next Marvel movie as that is what the FIRST credits scene does.
Heh. I get what that's referring to. Could be a fun watch. 
S.
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You know it's kind of sad that I think it's the last part that would have been the least likely to happen. I work in a bookstore and I can't tell you the number of times I've heard people say they're not going to buy a book specifically because it's either going to be released as a movie soon or already is a movie.|
Originally Posted by Nericus
John Carter wasn't that bad actually. A bit more editing in a few places, better marketing and some people being a bit more educated on the character's literary history before seeing the movie would have helped.
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Personally I'll admit to having started to watch the movie before reading the book, but that's pretty much so I don't have to spend the entire movie noticing all the little things it did wrong or important bits (in my eyes) that it left out. The fact that some people see watching the movie as a replacement for reading the book though just makes me sad.
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Yeah, I was amazed that not once did they say "from the author of Tarzan". My wife wanted to see it as soon as I mentioned that.|
Originally Posted by Nericus
John Carter wasn't that bad actually. A bit more editing in a few places, better marketing and some people being a bit more educated on the character's literary history before seeing the movie would have helped.
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The 3D was horrible though.
I really should do something about this signature.
Newsarama posts the 10 things that can be learned from Avengers
http://www.newsarama.com/comics/10-l...ers-movie.html
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It's not the who that dies, it's rather the whole modus operandi of Whedon anymore. Honestly, it's tiresome. He just can't have a happy ending. *shrug*
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Originally Posted by Nericus
My job took me overseas last week and before I went home I made a detour on the way to the airport and saw the Avengers.
Yes, someone does die. I won't say who as I don't want to drop spoilers, but I don't think the death ranks down there with M. Night Plot Twist Toss me a PM if you want to know who it is. |
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Originally Posted by Dark One
It's not the who that dies, it's rather the whole modus operandi of Whedon anymore. Honestly, it's tiresome. He just can't have a happy ending. *shrug*
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Not to drop any major spoilers but I thought the Avengers ending was rather happy as well as open for more movies.
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I was surprised that people got bent out of shape over who died considering who it actually was.|
Originally Posted by Nericus
My job took me overseas last week and before I went home I made a detour on the way to the airport and saw the Avengers.
Yes, someone does die. I won't say who as I don't want to drop spoilers, but I don't think the death ranks down there with M. Night Plot Twist Toss me a PM if you want to know who it is. |
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Originally Posted by Nericus
Not to drop any major spoilers but I thought the Avengers ending was rather happy as well as open for more movies.
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Yeah, I have a hunch that this death may have to be reversed somehow given the fan attachment to the character and how frankly I don't think anyone saw it coming despite any familiarity with Whedon's work.|
Originally Posted by Forbin_Project
I was surprised that people got bent out of shape over who died considering who it actually was.
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Still it wasn't a frivolous death, it was more like Shepard's death in Serenity gave Mal the wake up call he needed to take on the Alliance again.
Again without dropping any major spoilers, I can safely say that the death in Avengers is what gets one of them motivated for sure. The others didn't need it as much as the one I refer to.
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My guess is that the one rumor, or vision...if you will, that was floating around will come true (in a sequel) in regards to who died in the movie.
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Originally Posted by Nericus
Yeah, I have a hunch that this death may have to be reversed somehow given the fan attachment to the character and how frankly I don't think anyone saw it coming despite any familiarity with Whedon's work.
Still it wasn't a frivolous death, it was more like Shepard's death in Serenity gave Mal the wake up call he needed to take on the Alliance again. Again without dropping any major spoilers, I can safely say that the death in Avengers is what gets one of them motivated for sure. The others didn't need it as much as the one I refer to. |
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Okay I can see how people who aren't sci-fi buffs might not know about the John Carter Barsoom books, but for us it's like not knowing who Tarzan, Superman, or Conan is before seeing the movie. Even if you don't read the books you know who they are. |
Originally Posted by Oliin
You know it's kind of sad that I think it's the last part that would have been the least likely to happen. I work in a bookstore and I can't tell you the number of times I've heard people say they're not going to buy a book specifically because it's either going to be released as a movie soon or already is a movie.
Personally I'll admit to having started to watch the movie before reading the book, but that's pretty much so I don't have to spend the entire movie noticing all the little things it did wrong or important bits (in my eyes) that it left out. The fact that some people see watching the movie as a replacement for reading the book though just makes me sad. |
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Actually I figured X-Men were to far away to show up. I was thinking Daredevil, Luke Cage, Iron Fist, FF, and Spidey. |
Originally Posted by SuperOz
Alas, the X-Men, Fantastic Four and Spiderman aren't owned (movie-wise) by Marvel, or you could bet your bottom dollar they'd make appearances. That's what Marvel wants, it's just that 20th Century Fox and Sony just see what they have as cash cows instead of really respecting the source material.
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And I get the movie rights thing, Just think it'd been cool if it could have been worked out.
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Well strictly speaking there are many deaths in the Avengers. Yes it is the one character death that strongly motivates at least one hero that needed it. However, as any can see from posters, trailers and TV spots that New York will be under attack by Loki's army. At the end of the movie you will see people at makeshift memorial locations posting photos, letters, etc.
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Originally Posted by Vitality
My guess is that the one rumor that was floating around will come true (in a sequel) in regards to who died in the movie.
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Hm, I recall no references or easter eggs in the movie about the Vision but it is possible that I missed it. |
Originally Posted by Vitality
My guess is that the one rumor, or vision...if you will, that was floating around will come true (in a sequel) in regards to who died in the movie.
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Frankly, I think I'd rather see them activate "Professor Horton's Synthetic Man" that we saw in Cap's movie and thus we'd have the original Human Torch.
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I'm talking about the main death...the one that motivates them.|
Originally Posted by Nericus
Well strictly speaking there are many deaths in the Avengers. Yes it is the one character death that strongly motivates at least one hero that needed it. However, as any can see from posters, trailers and TV spots that New York will be under attack by Loki's army. At the end of the movie you will see people at makeshift memorial locations posting photos, letters, etc.
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Originally Posted by Nericus
Hm, I recall no references or easter eggs in the movie about the Vision but it is possible that I missed it.
Frankly, I think I'd rather see them activate "Professor Horton's Synthetic Man" that we saw in Cap's movie and thus we'd have the original Human Torch. |
It was just a rumor floating around.
S.
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