I am not Positron's Pal.

What you think you're arguing and what you're actually arguing aren't the same thing. You have consistently and bluntly insisted that the grandfather rule does not apply. In fact, let me quote you:

No, it is not. This is precisely what is relevant. Badges are a signifier of a specific achievement or a specific event. They were and are intended to represent that a specific character has done a specific thing. Changing a badge that has already been earned to signify an event that the character who owns it has not taken part in is not the correct decision. That's the grandfather rule.

"For my character who has already done it" is very much relevant, and very much the point. You cannot "explain" this without violating the grandfather rule. Yes, Paragon Studios are violating it themselves. If you would care to stop insisting that what characters have done to earn their badges is irrelevant, that would be a good start.

Or you can post more all-caps and censored words. Your choice.

Originally Posted by Arcanaville Samuel_Tow is the only poster that makes me want to punch him in the head more often when I'm agreeing with him than when I'm disagreeing with him.

I think it's the fact that Statesman really wasn't too bad a character when he actually had some good writing behind him.

I wasn't here for the terrible sounding Jack years, so I never had any trouble seeing the twit- I mean, Dev from the game character he made. And I think the character suffered for a long time from 'Badly Writtern' syndrome. It just felt like we were finally starting to get out of that, with Incarnate characters becoming peers and then superior to States and Recluse...

And then they kill him off. Badly, might I add. I mean, the mission itself wasn't too bad, but....the writing just left giant holes in itself. It really did. And that's it, he's gone...only, to add insult, they are now retconning everything, by the looks of it, so that he barely appears in game at all? Even the flag over City Hall? I'm sorry, but that is NOT cool.


Also, don't get me started on the travesty that was Sister Psyche's demise. The term 'catching the idiot ball' is incredibly apt here (And I don't care who else uses it that people might scoff at, it's damn true) and the writing is nothing short of bloody awful Hero side. The fact that the entire thing feels like an awful foot-note with very little correlation to the rest of the arc; "Oh yeah, Psyche went nova and got shot too, isn't that nice, next."

Just....bah, at the whole thing. I would really love to hear some red-name explanation for this whole farce...

Originally Posted by Zwillinger GG, I would tell you that "I am killing you with my mind", but I couldn't find an emoticon to properly express my sentiment.

Originally Posted by Captain_Photon NOTE: The Incarnate System is basically farming for IOs on a larger scale, and with more obtrusive lore.

Yes, and that's a piss poor explanation.

Here's what I want to know - what does the flag badge say? I've seen two references now to the flag badge changing. Is this another case of an "intern" misjudging the scope of his assignment or did they really learn nothing from the mess that almost ret-conned Atlas from the savior of the city to the savior of a busfull of lawyers?

This isn't just about what's easiest or whose Mary Sue is whose. It's about ret-conning the game for no good reason than to do it. I have to wonder if the devs are sitting around scratching their heads in puzzlement because they have this idea that nobody actually cares about the story or especially about Statesman.

Whatever the case, this is not the eighth anniversary that I was looking for. I'm being made more and more aware that I am just not the target audience for this game any more.

You're delusional. That's not even CLOSE to what I "insisted" in that quote.

"You got to dig it to dig it, you dig?"
Thelonious Monk

It is striking me more as:

"Let the name of Moses be stricken from every building and every monument. So let it be written; so let it be done!"

Come on, guys...

Keep saying that. I'm sure it'll become true at some point. In the meantime, saying that it doesn't matter what a character has done IS saying the grandfather rule does not apply. If you can't see that, then there's really no point in discussing the subject with you.

Originally Posted by Arcanaville Samuel_Tow is the only poster that makes me want to punch him in the head more often when I'm agreeing with him than when I'm disagreeing with him.

How in the nine hells do you get "Just because your character has done the mission doesn't mean the mission isn't changing" = "the grandfather rule does not apply"? My statement had ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO WITH THE GRANDFATHER RULE. It hadn't even been brought up at that point. Hell, YOU brought it up when you accused me of saying it didn't exist.

By the way, I'd say I'm a wee bit more qualified to interpret what I'm saying than you are...

I brought it up to give the problem a name, hopefully so you can see it. What Paragon Studios are doing is violating their own grandfather rule. Why you're attracting ire is not because you're defending the change, but rather because you insist on explaining it BY violating the grandfather rule. Badges are a record of activity. Even if that activity changes in the future, its record in the past should not change. If it does - and you say it doesn't matter - then that's a violation of the grandfather rule.

That same rule, but the way, isn't something I made up out of the air. Paragon Studios have used it for badges. Once upon a time, heroes weren't allowed to gain the Villain badge for defeating 1000 Longbow soldiers. Originally, this was done by simply not letting heroes fight longbow in any of their content. When Longbow showed up in the War Zone, people started farming them and earning the badge. This was quickly corrected by removing the kill counter from heroes. However, those who HAD earned the badge got to keep it.

Originally Posted by Arcanaville Samuel_Tow is the only poster that makes me want to punch him in the head more often when I'm agreeing with him than when I'm disagreeing with him.

Perfect, thank you very much.

That's very good to hear, Doc. This does actually go a LONG way towards alleviating the bad taste that the SSA1s left in my mouth. And if it sounds cynical, it really isn't - if you can pull off the story that deals with the fallout in such a way that it doesn't come off as huge backstage politics, I'll be happy to take back everything bad I've said about them. Fair's fair, after all.

Regardless, this is very good news. Thank you.

Originally Posted by Arcanaville Samuel_Tow is the only poster that makes me want to punch him in the head more often when I'm agreeing with him than when I'm disagreeing with him.

Originally Posted by Nethergoat it's NEVER too late to pad your /ignore list!

Perfect!

Perfect! I am very, very happy to hear this.

And that is me made one happier person.

Thanks Aeon.
Thaeon.

Poor kid gets a loading screen, but she still can't scum together enough respect for a code name?

That's the perfect solution for everyone.

WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO...

*deep breath*

....OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

Originally Posted by Dispari I don't know why Dink thinks she's not as sexy as Jay was. In 5 posts she's already upstaged his entire career.

...my explanation of what THEY are doing is getting people mad at ME? Misdirected rage much?

Edit: And thanks for the quick fix, Doc.