Game of Thrones ALL BOOK SPOILERS (Up to Dance with Dragons)
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Posted on: 2012-04-12 11:47 in Comic and Hero-Villain Culture
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Actually Martin (in a recent interview: Link ) noted that Azor Azhai and the Prince that was Promised are essentially the same prophecy/person.|
Originally Posted by Frogfather
As an aside I believe Azor Ahai, the Prince that was Promised and the Stallion that mounts the world are three different people. I know who my candidates are for those three slots but yeah...
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Edit: If you aren't interested in all 7 minutes (its a very neat piece though) the quote is at the very end. Interesting to note: you can see they are shipping Myrcella off to Dorne this season.
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I'm still waiting for your take on the disposition of the Wall, MM. 
The more I think about it, the more I think that Horn that's supposed to blow the wall down will come into play. There's a Chekhov's Gun if ever there was one!
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Originally Posted by Mental_Giant
I'm still waiting for your take on the disposition of the Wall, MM.
The more I think about it, the more I think that Horn that's supposed to blow the wall down will come into play. There's a Chekhov's Gun if ever there was one! |
I'll start by saying I really don't have a single theory or even an educated bet on what I think will happen at the Wall. So if it seems one second I'm saying 'this' then the next second 'that', it's because I haven't figured out 'what' I think will happen. But there are a lot of factors to consider regarding the Wall but one that I think is most important.
Jon Snow's state of health. I think Jon's fate will have a lot to do with which direction Martin is taking the story regarding the Wall. I think we can all agree that he'll likely be alive by the time we see him again whether it's by natural or magical means. If he doesn't make it (which in Martin's world is completely possible) then I think it's safe to say that things will go sideways rather quickly. In that scenario I can see the Wall coming down/or breached and the war with the Others spilling into the 7 kingdoms. Stannis at this point is the first line of defense and likely the Northmen (even those loyal to Bolton) will join the cause and in my estimation Stannis' side and likely more will come and help the cause as word spreads. This will leave King's Landing vulnerable for say someone to ride in on dragons and take the Iron Throne. Meanwhile as Winter becomes stronger a stalemate will be taking place up North. Dany, in an effort to prove herself will go and fight for the protection of the realm. Stannis, being Stannis, will still refuse to bend the knee. His claim to be Azor Azhai will be proven wrong when he's charbroiled by dragonfire.
If Jon lives, a lot of the story will depend on how he survives. If he's resurrected by Mel he will be declared Azor Azhai reborn (whether it's true or not) at which point he will lead the nights watch and wildlings (and eventually Stannis and the North) in a war against the incoming Other invasion with Dany likely swooping in with the dragons. And becomes one of her riders along with Tyrion (my guess), yada yada yada. They take the Iron Throne as a couple. This is probably the most cliched (and predicted) endings.
But there may be another way to look at that scenario with a twist. What if Jon is resurrected, but NOT by Mel. What if he is resurrected by the Great Other? Think about it for a second. Why is Coldhands even in the story? How is he different than the Others? Or is he even different than the Others? What if Jon's dead body is taken to a God's Wood and someone intervened? What if the Great Other is merely a reflection of the old gods? What if he unites the two sides of the North and takes on Robbs calling of secession from the 7 kingdoms. Again the North serves merely as a distraction for Dany to take King's Landing. Then we'd get A Song of Ice and Fire not as a love story but as a battle hymn.
Now I'm not so sure any of that will happen. I think it will all come down to what Martin is wanting to say in the ending. Is all of the things happening right now of world changing significance? If so the wall may come down, or supernatural forces will battle it out once and for all. Or are the event of ASOIAF merely a cycle of things that have been happening for thousands of years. In that case the wall will still stand, the supernatural battle will be more wimper than bang and someone will take the Iron Throne while the list of the dead grows. And life goes on.
Now, what do I think will happen? I think likely we'll get more of the "life goes on" story. I think Jon's "death" (note quotes) will allow him to take Robb's crown. I think he will unite both sides of the Wall to the new Northern Kingdom. I think whatever conflict they have with the Others will be brief at best. I think Dany will take King's Landing ferociously and will for a time be a little drunk with power, I think she'll try and destroy the wall and the Northern rebellion only to end in a stalemate thanks to the Walls magic. I think at some point Jon's true parentage will come out and this will lead him and Dany into a truce....not a relationship. Then I think she'll finally realize that being Queen over the seven kingdoms is no different than the slavers in Essos and she'll break it back up into the Seven Kingdoms. She'll go to Dragonstone and the Stormlands, Jon will have the North, and then fill in the blanks with the appropriate survivors.
Edit- So in other words, I'm not terribly sure the Wall will server that much of a "function" of the story. It's a location, just like the Red Keep or the Sept of Baelor. While it will be a significant setting to the story, I'm not so sure it's function will server any more than it already does.
(There could be a LOT more, but I had to stop typing)
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I was wondering this as well, but honestly. Has GRRM killed anyone in a cliffhanger? When people die, it's usually very explicit. When people appear to almost die at the end of a chapter (and there's an almost infinite number of examples of this), they are always around later (even if it's just to die explicitly).|
Originally Posted by MentalMaden
(which in Martin's world is completely possible)
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Anyway. Good post. Carry on!
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That post delivered, MM. 
Lots of good ideas, along with a lot of stuff I didn't even consider. I like Dany learning from her experiences back East and liberating the Seven Kingdoms, but I think that's a long shot.
Jon and Dany getting together seems so cliche that I don't think that will happen either.
I'm hoping Martin comes up with a way to surprise us while still leaving us with a relatively happy ending (for those who survive).
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Catelyn. To date, I think she's the only one to die in her own chapter (other than the prologues). Jon Snow maybe, we'll see.
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Originally Posted by Slaunyeh
Has GRRM killed anyone in a cliffhanger? When people die, it's usually very explicit. When people appear to almost die at the end of a chapter (and there's an almost infinite number of examples of this), they are always around later (even if it's just to die explicitly).
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Just some minor season 3 casting news, but some is pertinent to previous discussions.
Season 3 casting is underway and there is talk they are wanting to cast an 11 year old girl and the scene that was read was Shireen taking a book to Davos when he's locked up. So it looks like she will be included in the show and that Mel's comment about Stannis' wife 'never giving him anything' was pertaining to a male heir like I'd thought/hoped. As I've said I think her affliction will be important down the road.
Also it seems that they are casting Daario Naharis, describing the casting call as 'any ethnicity except caucasian' which sounds about right.
Just some minor stuff to tide you all over.
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I still haven't read Dance with Dragons. I've had it since release, and it's been sitting there mocking me. I pick it up and try to read it, but I'm somewhat lost because it's been so long since I read the rest of them, and I can't force myself to slog through those books again.
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-Heres my thoughts, Jon will come very close to death, close enough for him to be released from his vows from the Night Watch. Melisandre will insure that he lives.
-While echoing what has been said here and elsewhere the story of Lyanna Stark is a little different from which is generally known.
Rhaegar didnt abduct her, the two of them ran off together willingly.
When Ned found her, her bed of blood wasnt her dying but giving birth( to Jon)
She made Ned make some sort of promise with regards to raising her son.
Not being all that warm and fuzzy about Robert to begin with, him killing Rhaegar didnt improve her opinion of him, and she wasnt prepared to go back and marry him. With possibly Neds help she went across the sea. And we met her in Dance of Dragons, under the name of Septa Lemore.
The old Targaryens had a gift similar but different from the Skin Changers, when its mentioned that they rode dragons, it was more in the manner of a skin changer riding a beast, than actually physically riding dragons, although their gift was a little different, and meant them bonding to a single dragon. Part of what makes Jon special he inherited both varieties.
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I still haven't read Dance with Dragons. I've had it since release, and it's been sitting there mocking me. I pick it up and try to read it, but I'm somewhat lost because it's been so long since I read the rest of them, and I can't force myself to slog through those books again.
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Vhat about a Baratheon? Been a while since I read all the books, but it always struck me odd that ol' Ed would have an illegitimate kid. And, well... kind fits if he was taking the fall or helping Robert (and never told Robert about one of Rob's kids, so Robert would always think it was Ed's).
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Fire does not kill Targaryens.
Ice (Winter) does not kill Starks. (Benjen, for example) Truly, a song of Ice and Fire at the conclusion of things it would seem. He understands nobles as he's seen it from their perspective. He understands the watch as he's seen it from their perspective. He understands the wildlings as he's seen it from their perspective. I suspect Jon will be seeing things from the white walkers side of the situation soon, after all, he's seen it from everyone else's side already, right? So maybe he is dead. Then again, all the Stark kids are idiots (Bran is a scumbag, not an idiot), with the exception of Arya, and deserve what they get. |
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The last two weeks have been some of the most divergent of the series. I think for the most part they are taking us where we need to go and keep the overall story pointed in the right direction. Some of the changes are simply keeping things more streamlined for the television viewer and others so we can get some exposition without it involving prostitutes for a change. Here are my thoughts on a few of them.
1. Arya in Harrenhal. I think they had to simplify this storyline. To be honest on first reading it was a pretty confusing and convoluted story. For me I had to do quite a bit of wiki reading to keep up with who was who. Different sides holding it and taking it and switching allegiences would be way too confusing for the non reader/viewer and would require introducing too many characters too quickly for a 10 episode season. And watching the Arya/Tywin interaction has been worth it all. These two actors are putting out some of the best stuff this season. I think in the end we'll get to see the same outcome. Tywin will likely have to leave the castle before Arya can pull her third trigger and we'll probably end up somewhere similar to the way it happened in the books for her escapte. The only disappointing thing is not seeing her take on all the different identities which are good foreshadowing for her trip across the narrow sea.
2. Jon and Ygritte. I've seen a lot of people upset with this change, but I think it's merely a lateral change to give some exposition to who the Freemen are and Jon's family lineage being similar to make his "betrayal" more realistic to the Wildlings. I think its pretty likely that Quorin will already be captured by Rattleshirt and from there he and Jon will plot the same ending as the books.
3. Robb and Jeyne/Talisa. Probably the weakest addition, but forgivable given that they can't have him disappear for a season like the books and come back in love. I will agree with the Elio and Linda at Westeros that her "job" is a bit heavy handed and cliched. But as I said, forgivable.
4. Jaime. I think we are getting to the same place as the books, just different location and motivations for some characters involved (Karstark for instance). The acting last night was spectacular between Jaime and Cat. And his brief interaction with Brienne felt perfect.
5. Dany in Qarth. A vast improvement from the books. Necessary? Probably not, but there needed to be something more compelling than Dany getting proposed to from a vastly different Xaros. I think the only thing that will be disappointing is if the House of the Undying turns into a fight for her "children" with no prophecy involved. Not a game changer as they could give away too much if they aren't subtle enough (and I don't know if you can pull it off on TV as opposed to book), but I think it was such a strong, trippy image from the books, I'd hate to not see it. I think we'll obviously see the same fate to the House though, just better motivation though in my opinion.
Edit- Question. I know Jaime pretty much admits to Cat the truth to his and Cersei's relationship, but I don't remember Cersei and Tyrion having any kind of conversation similar to the one we saw last night. It was a great bit of acting and dialogue, but I don't remember her ever really admitting that to Tyrion as it would slide quite a bit of power his way.
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Originally Posted by MentalMaden
The last two weeks have been some of the most divergent of the series. I think for the most part they are taking us where we need to go and keep the overall story pointed in the right direction. Some of the changes are simply keeping things more streamlined for the television viewer and others so we can get some exposition without it involving prostitutes for a change. Here are my thoughts on a few of them.
1. Arya in Harrenhal. I think they had to simplify this storyline. To be honest on first reading it was a pretty confusing and convoluted story. For me I had to do quite a bit of wiki reading to keep up with who was who. Different sides holding it and taking it and switching allegiences would be way too confusing for the non reader/viewer and would require introducing too many characters too quickly for a 10 episode season. And watching the Arya/Tywin interaction has been worth it all. These two actors are putting out some of the best stuff this season. I think in the end we'll get to see the same outcome. Tywin will likely have to leave the castle before Arya can pull her third trigger and we'll probably end up somewhere similar to the way it happened in the books for her escapte. The only disappointing thing is not seeing her take on all the different identities which are good foreshadowing for her trip across the narrow sea. 2. Jon and Ygritte. I've seen a lot of people upset with this change, but I think it's merely a lateral change to give some exposition to who the Freemen are and Jon's family lineage being similar to make his "betrayal" more realistic to the Wildlings. I think its pretty likely that Quorin will already be captured by Rattleshirt and from there he and Jon will plot the same ending as the books. 3. Robb and Jeyne/Talisa. Probably the weakest addition, but forgivable given that they can't have him disappear for a season like the books and come back in love. I will agree with the Elio and Linda at Westeros that her "job" is a bit heavy handed and cliched. But as I said, forgivable. 4. Jaime. I think we are getting to the same place as the books, just different location and motivations for some characters involved (Karstark for instance). The acting last night was spectacular between Jaime and Cat. And his brief interaction with Brienne felt perfect. 5. Dany in Qarth. A vast improvement from the books. Necessary? Probably not, but there needed to be something more compelling than Dany getting proposed to from a vastly different Xaros. I think the only thing that will be disappointing is if the House of the Undying turns into a fight for her "children" with no prophecy involved. Not a game changer as they could give away too much if they aren't subtle enough (and I don't know if you can pull it off on TV as opposed to book), but I think it was such a strong, trippy image from the books, I'd hate to not see it. I think we'll obviously see the same fate to the House though, just better motivation though in my opinion. Edit- Question. I know Jaime pretty much admits to Cat the truth to his and Cersei's relationship, but I don't remember Cersei and Tyrion having any kind of conversation similar to the one we saw last night. It was a great bit of acting and dialogue, but I don't remember her ever really admitting that to Tyrion as it would slide quite a bit of power his way. |
while it is a departure from the books, the entire Arya & Tywin interaction has to be one of the gems of this season, both due to the actors and the writting, I do have to wonder is something that Martin looking back 7+ years and 3 books latter, wished he had written instead for that part of Arya's story( still trying to figure out how he will tie her back into the main story)
the one thing that concerns me is the absense of the Reed children from Bran's story
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The Reed children is a tricky subject. So much exposition from them in the books, you'd think their addition would be helpful to tell a lot of the history like they did in the books. They are going one of two ways, either removing them completely and substituting someone else (my thoughts maybe Maester Luwin will be spared and sent with Bran and Hodor). While its not the same flavor wise, he could end up doing a lot of the explaining that Jojen does.|
Originally Posted by Tocharon
I agree with this,
while it is a departure from the books, the entire Arya & Tywin interaction has to be one of the gems of this season, both due to the actors and the writting, I do have to wonder is something that Martin looking back 7+ years and 3 books latter, wished he had written instead for that part of Arya's story( still trying to figure out how he will tie her back into the main story) the one thing that concerns me is the absense of the Reed children from Bran's story |
Or we may just haven't seen them yet and they could meet up with them next season along their travels. We haven't met Ramsay Snow yet but do know that he's coming based on Rooses comments to Robb. So it may just be that like Ramsay we'll see the Reed next year instead. If you look how the story has been doled out between characters (its a rather character dense story this season) it would be hard to give the Reeds any real amount of time before their journey. Not to mention it may be hard to tie down two child actors for such a small amount of screen time and may make more sense to wait for the actual journey in Season 3. So don't lose hope yet.
Personally I think the story can be told without them EXCEPT I think the Reed family will play a very important role later in book 6 or 7. But not necessarily the Reed kids. The only person alive that was at the Tower of Joy with Ned was Howland Reed (their father) and I believe he knows the truth about what went on there and what the true nature of Rheagar and Lyanna's relationship was and potential parentage of a certain popular ******* now bleeding smoke at the Wall.
The Reed kids are such good flavor to the story though and Bran's relationship with the Reed daughter may prove important down the line as well. They kind of remind me of the Tom Bombadil of ASOIAF. Kind of "out there", colorful characters that are a lot of fun, but may end up in the scheme of things nothing more than window dressing to the greater story. It would be a shame to lose them, but I'm holding out hope we'll just end up seeing them down the road.
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I've been re-reading Clash of Kings during this season, so I could see the differences between the book and the show. I just read about Dany is the House of the Undying, and was thinking about what the warlocks were speaking to her. Specifically, I've been thinking about the "dragon with three heads".
This statement was said by Rhaegar right at the birth of his son, Aegon. He said that there was another, believing that his two children, Rhaenys and Aegon, were the first two heads. Rhaenys was definitely killed, so we can rule out that she was one of the three heads. So, looking at what we have:
1. Daenerys - There is solid evidence that she is definitely a Targaryen.
2. Jon Snow - Circumstantial evidence is pointing to him being the son of Rhaegar and Lyanna.
3. Aegon - While it is said that Gregor Clegane killed Aegon by bashing against the wall, babies do look a lot alike if you aren't around them enough to notice differences. Of course, we only have Varys' word on this, so we can't be sure.
Of course, we only just learned of Aegon in book 5, so it's very well possible that he isn't Aegon, and Martin may yet pull another rabbit out of his hat to be the third head.
Also, since quite a few of the other visions at the House of the Undying are apparent, there is one that is a little mysterious: the dead man on the boat, with gray lips. I've seen conjecture that this is a Greyjoy; the gray lips and the reference to a drowned/dead person may be correct in this. Any ideas?
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The two Reed kids are probably some of my favorite side characters in the books, and I'm sad to hear that they might not be in the show as much, but I'll have to see. Just finished book 5 last night, and finally was able to look at this thread. I'm been amused by some of the theories being presented here, and have one question based on them.
Isn't the prophecy about Azor Ahai that Melissandre made that he would be born of fire and salt? And that's where she got the idea of Stannis being possibly the reincarnation, and where Daenerys could also possibly be him as well. But how would Jon fit into that prophecy? What about his history would fit the salt? I get that if he was indeed Rhaegar's son, that would be the fire part, but if his mother is Lyanna, that would be snow, not salt.
Also, does anyone else think that Bran is going to be the one to find the Horn of Joramun? After all, wasn't he named after Bran the Builder, who built the wall? Wouldn't it be sort of poetic if he is the one to bring down the wall? I don't know if it would stop the Others, or allow them into the realms of men, but I can see him doing that.
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I wonder if this ties into something else I've been thinking about while reading through the book. We know that the Seven replaced the older gods in Westeros. And so far, the Seven really haven't done much at all. Meanwhile, we get glimpses of some of the other gods actually doing stuff (R'hllor or however you spell it) and Death being the most active with granting their followers power. We also know that there is the god of the Others (the god of ice and death, according to the wiki, but this seems like a different god than those worshiped by the Faceless men). However, we haven't seen the Drowned God doing much for his followers. I'm wondering if maybe that vision was the return of the Drowned God to give his followers power again?|
Originally Posted by Frost Warden
Also, since quite a few of the other visions at the House of the Undying are apparent, there is one that is a little mysterious: the dead man on the boat, with gray lips. I've seen conjecture that this is a Greyjoy; the gray lips and the reference to a drowned/dead person may be correct in this. Any ideas?
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Or it could just be talking about the Greyjoys.
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Originally Posted by Frost Warden
I've been re-reading Clash of Kings during this season, so I could see the differences between the book and the show. I just read about Dany is the House of the Undying, and was thinking about what the warlocks were speaking to her. Specifically, I've been thinking about the "dragon with three heads".
This statement was said by Rhaegar right at the birth of his son, Aegon. He said that there was another, believing that his two children, Rhaenys and Aegon, were the first two heads. Rhaenys was definitely killed, so we can rule out that she was one of the three heads. So, looking at what we have: 1. Daenerys - There is solid evidence that she is definitely a Targaryen. 2. Jon Snow - Circumstantial evidence is pointing to him being the son of Rhaegar and Lyanna. 3. Aegon - While it is said that Gregor Clegane killed Aegon by bashing against the wall, babies do look a lot alike if you aren't around them enough to notice differences. Of course, we only have Varys' word on this, so we can't be sure. Of course, we only just learned of Aegon in book 5, so it's very well possible that he isn't Aegon, and Martin may yet pull another rabbit out of his hat to be the third head. Also, since quite a few of the other visions at the House of the Undying are apparent, there is one that is a little mysterious: the dead man on the boat, with gray lips. I've seen conjecture that this is a Greyjoy; the gray lips and the reference to a drowned/dead person may be correct in this. Any ideas? |
Aegon is the mummer's dragon. Fake. An unknowing pawn in Varys' game. I don't think he's living very much longer to be honest.
The three heads are likely Dany, Jon and Tyrion. If that prophecy is even true. Which it really doesn't have to be. We've seen several already not come to pass.
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Originally Posted by MentalMaden
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Aegon is the mummer's dragon. Fake. An unknowing pawn in Varys' game. I don't think he's living very much longer to be honest. The three heads are likely Dany, Jon and Tyrion. If that prophecy is even true. Which it really doesn't have to be. We've seen several already not come to pass. |
Though her struggles to control/influence three at once does seem to indicate the need to have more helping her. Or she just hasn't learned how yet, since she hasn't been particularly active in trying, beyond treating them like large, fire-breathing, flesh eating dogs.
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Like Aett Thorn, I remain unconvinced that Jon Snow is fulfilling any Targaryen-related prophecies. I figure he has plenty of his own.
The mention of the gods is interesting. I had always assumed that the Game of Thrones setting doesn't have direction divine intervention. Some priests in the setting have supernatural powers, but they seem to learn "magic" in the context of their priestly studies the same way a medieval European priest might learn Latin and which shawl to put on for which sacrament. When nonhuman supernatural forces do act directly on the world, they rarely seem to have much self-awareness or personality, though they may have things to accomplish. That is, when we've seen the supernatural, it may have a will, but it generally doesn't have a mind. For those reasons, I don't see the Seven gods or the Drowned God taking action on the Westeros stage. Their followers might, though, and we have already seen a lot of this, just without supernatural trappings.
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The two Reed kids are probably some of my favorite side characters in the books, and I'm sad to hear that they might not be in the show as much, but I'll have to see. Just finished book 5 last night, and finally was able to look at this thread. I'm been amused by some of the theories being presented here, and have one question based on them.
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Originally Posted by Aett_Thorn
Isn't the prophecy about Azor Ahai that Melissandre made that he would be born of fire and salt? And that's where she got the idea of Stannis being possibly the reincarnation, and where Daenerys could also possibly be him as well. But how would Jon fit into that prophecy? What about his history would fit the salt? I get that if he was indeed Rhaegar's son, that would be the fire part, but if his mother is Lyanna, that would be snow, not salt.
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I don't know if I buy that or not, but we'll see.
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Originally Posted by Aett_Thorn
Also, does anyone else think that Bran is going to be the one to find the Horn of Joramun? After all, wasn't he named after Bran the Builder, who built the wall? Wouldn't it be sort of poetic if he is the one to bring down the wall? I don't know if it would stop the Others, or allow them into the realms of men, but I can see him doing that.
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Originally Posted by Frost Warden
Also, since quite a few of the other visions at the House of the Undying are apparent, there is one that is a little mysterious: the dead man on the boat, with gray lips. I've seen conjecture that this is a Greyjoy; the gray lips and the reference to a drowned/dead person may be correct in this. Any ideas?
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I read this is that Dany will have three husbands who die. The first is Drogo. The corpse on the ship I believe will be Victarion Greyjoy (Euron would only have one eye). The blue flower on the wall of ice certainly seems like a Jon Snow reference, but it almost seems too easy.
Of course, we know Dany marries Hizdahr zo Loraq and he doesn't seem to fit anything here. Either that means this prophecy is already off the rails or Hizdahr is the corpse with grey lips.
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There's the additional possibility that it refers to something more along the lines of what we'd call today "three relationships" instead of (or as well as) "three marriages." Coils within coils within coils ...
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Originally Posted by RosaQuartz
Her silver was trotting through the grass, to a darkling stream beneath a sea of stars. A corpse stood at the prow of a ship, eyes bright on his dead face, gray lips smiling sadly. A blue flower grew from a ***** in a wall of ice, and filled the air with sweetness...mother of dragons...bride of death...
I read this is that Dany will have three husbands who die. The first is Drogo. The corpse on the ship I believe will be Victarion Greyjoy (Euron would only have one eye). The blue flower on the wall of ice certainly seems like a Jon Snow reference, but it almost seems too easy. Of course, we know Dany marries Hizdahr zo Loraq and he doesn't seem to fit anything here. Either that means this prophecy is already off the rails or Hizdahr is the corpse with grey lips. |
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I thought this as well when re-reading it this month. First reading, the horn was mentioned, but then discarded regarding any interest. It's one of those throwaway lines that Martin likes; what seems inconsequential at first takes on more meaning later.
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Originally Posted by RosaQuartz
Another of my favorite theories is that the horn was the seemingly broken one that Jon found along with the cache of dragonglass weapons near the Fist of the First Men. Jon gave that horn to Sam, so presumably it's now in Oldtown.
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I find your lack of signature disturbing.
Why can't Jon and Dany just get married and rule Westeros and Tyrion will be Hand and everyone lives happily ever after?
As an aside I believe Azor Ahai, the Prince that was Promised and the Stallion that mounts the world are three different people. I know who my candidates are for those three slots but yeah...
--Frog