Game of Thrones ALL BOOK SPOILERS (Up to Dance with Dragons)
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Posted on: 2012-04-12 11:47 in Comic and Hero-Villain Culture
So, no one seriously thinks Jon is dead, do they? 
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Doubtful, the real question is will he become Azhor Azhai reborn or was he just wounded?
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No one dies in a cliff-hanger
Heck, even Brienne just spontaneously shows up. Would have liked just a little insight into how she got out of that situation.
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People who seriously follow that prophecy have made a good case for him. I just know it isn't Stannis.
Another purpose Jon's "death" serves is to free him from his Vows to the Night's Watch. Now he can marry Dany! 
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The question is what single word could she have said to make Lady Stoneheart let her live?
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Originally Posted by Slaunyeh
No one dies in a cliff-hanger
Heck, even Brienne just spontaneously shows up. Would have liked just a little insight into how she got out of that situation. |
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That's easy... she said "Arya!", and she was cut down. That's all Lady Stoneheart cares about anymore... that and vengeance.
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Originally Posted by Slaunyeh
Heck, even Brienne just spontaneously shows up. Would have liked just a little insight into how she got out of that situation.
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I read the book when it came out (natch), but just recently finished listening to the audiobook. I think Jon is dead, but as is the case with several other characters, the condition will be temporary.
I think Melissandre will give him the "Breath Of Fire" a la Beric Dondarrion. And yes, it seems like Jon is being set up to fulfil the Prince Who Was Promised prophecy. What cemented it for me was Jon's dream of defending the Wall with a burning sword.
Also, by dying, Jon has actually fulfilled his duties to the Nights Watch. "Night gathers, and now my watch begins. It shall not end until my death."
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Not sure what the rules are for this thread but GRRM has released three chapters from The Winds of Winter so I'll put a spoiler tag here just in case.|
Originally Posted by Mental_Giant
People who seriously follow that prophecy have made a good case for him. I just know it isn't Stannis.
Another purpose Jon's "death" serves is to free him from his Vows to the Night's Watch. Now he can marry Dany! |
SPOILER FOR BOOK 6
Yeah, Stannis is definitely not the prophecy BUT after reading his chapter from book 6 I kind of see that maybe Martin has much more in store for Stannis and it was the first time I've seen him truely written as 'kingly'. It's a great chapter if you haven't read it, btw.
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I am fearful Jon is dead, yes.|
Originally Posted by Mental_Giant
So, no one seriously thinks Jon is dead, do they?
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GRRM has trained me through the series so far not to take anything for granted and if speculation is too rampant he may just change things up on principle.
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Oops forgot she's already mentioned Sansa.
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Originally Posted by Mental_Giant
That's easy... she said "Arya!", and she was cut down. That's all Lady Stoneheart cares about anymore... that and vengeance.
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@Mental Maden @Maden Mental
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That's possible. But going "Sansa!" didn't seem to help much up to that point. Would have liked to see the scene before she appeared elsewhere.|
Originally Posted by Mental_Giant
That's easy... she said "Arya!", and she was cut down. That's all Lady Stoneheart cares about anymore... that and vengeance.
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Anyway. No, Jon isn't dead 'till the book states so specifically. Though getting stabbed repeatedly by his own men isn't a really good start to a long and healthy life. I'm curious how he can possibly get out of that one.
But for the final-chapter cliff-hangers, my absolute favourite was the murder of Kevan Lannister. I loved how Varys reveals they want Cersei back in power because she's so terrible at her job.
In your face Cersei!
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That would work, too... I forget, did Brienne run into Sansa on her questing? She went all over the place to the point where she became one of my least favorite storylines even though I love her as a character.
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Originally Posted by MentalMaden
Why not Sansa?
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Sansa was the one she was questing for, wasn't she?
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Originally Posted by Mental_Giant
That would work, too... I forget, did Brienne run into Sansa on her questing? She went all over the place to the point where she became one of my least favorite storylines even though I love her as a character.
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This is exactly my thinking on the matter.
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Originally Posted by RosaQuartz
I think Melissandre will give him the "Breath Of Fire" a la Beric Dondarrion. And yes, it seems like Jon is being set up to fulfil the Prince Who Was Promised prophecy. What cemented it for me was Jon's dream of defending the Wall with a burning sword.
Also, by dying, Jon has actually fulfilled his duties to the Nights Watch. "Night gathers, and now my watch begins. It shall not end until my death." |
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It's been so long I forget... that's why I said Arya was what she said, because I'm pretty sure Stoneheart thought Arya was dead, where Sansa could still be alive.
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Originally Posted by Slaunyeh
Sansa was the one she was questing for, wasn't she?
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Fire does not kill Targaryens.
Ice (Winter) does not kill Starks. (Benjen, for example)
Truly, a song of Ice and Fire at the conclusion of things it would seem.
He understands nobles as he's seen it from their perspective.
He understands the watch as he's seen it from their perspective.
He understands the wildlings as he's seen it from their perspective.
I suspect Jon will be seeing things from the white walkers side of the situation soon, after all, he's seen it from everyone else's side already, right?
So maybe he is dead.
Then again, all the Stark kids are idiots (Bran is a scumbag, not an idiot), with the exception of Arya, and deserve what they get.
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Originally Posted by RosaQuartz
I think Melissandre will give him the "Breath Of Fire" a la Beric Dondarrion. And yes, it seems like Jon is being set up to fulfil the Prince Who Was Promised prophecy. What cemented it for me was Jon's dream of defending the Wall with a burning sword.
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Thought for the day:
"Hope is the first step on the road to disappointment."
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Stoneheart offered Brienne a choice: her sword or a rope. The sword was for finding and killing Jaime Lannister. Brienne refused to choose, but I suspect her word was "Sword!", meaning she would agree to kill Lannister.
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Originally Posted by Mental_Giant
That would work, too... I forget, did Brienne run into Sansa on her questing? She went all over the place to the point where she became one of my least favorite storylines even though I love her as a character.
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Hey, how is Bran a scumbag? Just because he can See Everything™ from his underground command center? That's kinda harsh... and we don't know if Rickon is an idiot yet.
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Originally Posted by Clockwork O1
Then again, all the Stark kids are idiots (Bran is a scumbag, not an idiot), with the exception of Arya, and deserve what they get.
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Holy crap, I need to reread these books... that makes perfect sense! Especially given her (probable) abduction of Jaime in the last book.
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Originally Posted by RosaQuartz
Stoneheart offered Brienne a choice: her sword or a rope. The sword was for finding and killing Jaime Lannister. Brienne refused to choose, but I suspect her word was "Sword!", meaning she would agree to kill Lannister.
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Wow, harsh. I'm not sure what Robb did that should have cost him his life.|
Originally Posted by Clockwork O1
Then again, all the Stark kids are idiots (Bran is a scumbag, not an idiot), with the exception of Arya, and deserve what they get.
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And Bran a scumbag? Brown Ben Plumm is a scumbag. Holster Frey is a scumbag. Bran? Bran is a little boy that's apparently being set up to become a tree.
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Originally Posted by Mental_Giant
Hey, how is Bran a scumbag? Just because he can See Everything™ from his underground command center? That's kinda harsh... and we don't know if Rickon is an idiot yet.
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He married for love. When does that ever work out?
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Originally Posted by RosaQuartz
Wow, harsh. I'm not sure what Robb did that should have cost him his life.
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Thought for the day:
"Hope is the first step on the road to disappointment."
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That's possible, but Brienne isn't really the kind to change her mind in face of death. She's stubborn as a mule!|
Originally Posted by RosaQuartz
Stoneheart offered Brienne a choice: her sword or a rope. The sword was for finding and killing Jaime Lannister. Brienne refused to choose, but I suspect her word was "Sword!", meaning she would agree to kill Lannister.
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It's almost a little too easy, given the characters involved. But maybe!
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So, here's our Mega Book Spoiler thread.
SERIOUS, MAJOR SPOILERS!
YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED!
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