Game of Thrones ALL BOOK SPOILERS (Up to Dance with Dragons)
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Posted on: 2012-04-12 11:47 in Comic and Hero-Villain Culture
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Pretty much every character, good, bad, or indifferent, has a tough time. Think of all the people who married for politics as well, and their fates aren't much different.
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Originally Posted by Slaunyeh
He married for love. When does that ever work out?
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Global name: @k26dp
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If it were just her, I'd agree. Martin made it a point though to show Brienne looking at Pod Payne getting strung up. Pragmatically, Pod is a lot more innocent than Jaime.
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Originally Posted by Slaunyeh
That's possible, but Brienne isn't really the kind to change her mind in face of death. She's stubborn as a mule!
It's almost a little too easy, given the characters involved. But maybe! |
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Another very good point!
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Originally Posted by RosaQuartz
If it were just her, I'd agree. Martin made it a point though to show Brienne looking at Pod Payne getting strung up. Pragmatically, Pod is a lot more innocent than Jaime.
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Thought for the day:
"Hope is the first step on the road to disappointment."
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Let me just say how happy I am to see this thread finally made! Love the discussions.
And also let me say how confused I am that somebody thinks Bran is a scumbag. How can a ten year old be a scumbag? Anxiously waiting for this explanation. Should be fodder for a juicy bit of debate.
@Mental Maden @Maden Mental
"....you are now tackle free for life."-ShoNuff
Bah! <3 Starks ... except Sansa cause she rejected it and lost her wolf -- silly girl
mm yeah I'm thinking Jon is dead, but not gone.
Also what did Jon do with the horn?
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The horn was sacrificed to Cthulhu. I mean R'hllor. It was also supposedly fake.
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Originally Posted by Arkyaeon
Also what did Jon do with the horn?
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Thought for the day:
"Hope is the first step on the road to disappointment."
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Actually it wasn't the real horn according to Tormund Giantsbane. The "real one" is currently with Sam at the Citadel.
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@Mental Maden @Maden Mental
"....you are now tackle free for life."-ShoNuff
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Really? I think I completely missed that part. Didn't Tormund claim that they never actually found the real horn?
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Originally Posted by MentalMaden
Actually it wasn't the real horn according to Tormund Giantsbane. The "real one" is currently with Sam at the Citadel.
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Thought for the day:
"Hope is the first step on the road to disappointment."
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I dunno, but that Wall's coming down sometime.
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If I remember correctly he was only referring to the one used at the sacrifice that Mance found. I believe only a few know about the one Sam has (which is the one Jon found with the dragonglass). Whether or not its actually the real one is still up for debate. I'm doubtful.
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Originally Posted by Slaunyeh
Really? I think I completely missed that part. Didn't Tormund claim that they never actually found the real horn?
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@Mental Maden @Maden Mental
"....you are now tackle free for life."-ShoNuff
Subject: Victarion
Where do you see him in the grand scheme of things? Is he an important player, destined for some greatness? Will he eventually claim the Seastone Chair? Is he a big ole red herring soon to die a horrible death? Is he actually going to sweep Dany off her feet?
I find him an interesting character, but find it hard to picture where his thread is going. On one hand he's as sympathetic a character that an ironborn can be, but his over confidence makes me wonder if he isn't going to die horribly. Possible from a dragon.
Thoughts?
@Mental Maden @Maden Mental
"....you are now tackle free for life."-ShoNuff
It's the real one 
I dunno how I feel about the wall coming down ... eh
Fire horn approaching Danny and Ice horn -was- with Jon >_>
So Coldhands! Think he is B. Stark? At least what is left of him... -- or did I miss that memo
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The only problem with that theory (which is probably the strongest) is that the children of the forest tell Bran "They killed him long ago" referring to Coldhands. In the scheme of things Benjen hasn't been gone very long.
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Originally Posted by Arkyaeon
So Coldhands! Think he is B. Stark? At least what is left of him... -- or did I miss that memo
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@Mental Maden @Maden Mental
"....you are now tackle free for life."-ShoNuff
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Good question. I expect him to almost manage to overthrow Euron, but failing miserably in the end. But I'm biased, I think Euron is fantastic as the evil pirate archetype.
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Originally Posted by MentalMaden
Where do you see him in the grand scheme of things?
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Thought for the day:
"Hope is the first step on the road to disappointment."
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I think his quest will come to an unfortunate end... however I do believe he'll be a mega catalyst to exiting the eastern world to some extent.|
Originally Posted by MentalMaden
Subject: Victarion
Where do you see him in the grand scheme of things? Is he an important player, destined for some greatness? Will he eventually claim the Seastone Chair? Is he a big ole red herring soon to die a horrible death? Is he actually going to sweep Dany off her feet? I find him an interesting character, but find it hard to picture where his thread is going. On one hand he's as sympathetic a character that an ironborn can be, but his over confidence makes me wonder if he isn't going to die horribly. Possible from a dragon. Thoughts? |
I really like his character and he's definitely a better fit than his brother, also depends on which direction Danny goes too I suppose.
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Victarion is destined for greatness in the same way Quentyn Martell was... |
Originally Posted by MentalMaden
Subject: Victarion
Where do you see him in the grand scheme of things? Is he an important player, destined for some greatness? Will he eventually claim the Seastone Chair? Is he a big ole red herring soon to die a horrible death? Is he actually going to sweep Dany off her feet? |
Poor Q... poor crispy, crispy Q.
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Dany does like the badboys. She has a certain weakness for them. Then I think she'll take one look at how the Ironborn treat women and likely roast him where he's standing. Then take his ships to Westeros.
@Mental Maden @Maden Mental
"....you are now tackle free for life."-ShoNuff
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Ah yes such a let down...|
Originally Posted by Mental_Giant
Poor Q... poor crispy, crispy Q.
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Vic is stronger though ... let's hope...
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Originally Posted by MentalMaden
Dany does like the badboys. She has a certain weakness for them. Then I think she'll take one look at how the Ironborn treat women and likely roast him where he's standing. Then take his ships to Westeros.
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Yeah, my post was half joke/half theory. I do think he's the key to Dany getting a fleet out of Essos. Whether or not he's alive when it happens is up to him. I just don't see a bright future for the poor guy.
@Mental Maden @Maden Mental
"....you are now tackle free for life."-ShoNuff
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I'm not sure how he treats Hoder can be described as anything short of despicable, Jaime should have pushed with a blade first before dumping the body out the window.
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Originally Posted by Mental_Giant
Hey, how is Bran a scumbag? Just because he can See Everything from his underground command center?
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He followed his heart selfishly instead of leading his people responsibly. The one lesson he should have learned growing up should have been the fact that a Lord lives for his people, not for himself, got what was coming to him.
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Originally Posted by RosaQuartz
Wow, harsh. I'm not sure what Robb did that should have cost him his life.
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Very interesting. I'm going to have to stew on that a bit.
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Originally Posted by Clockwork O1
I'm not sure how he treats Hoder can be described as anything short of despicable, Jaime should have pushed with a blade first before dumping the body out the window.
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@Mental Maden @Maden Mental
"....you are now tackle free for life."-ShoNuff
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Ahh, the Ironborn, my favorite faction, brutal, unapologetic, and totally true to who they are. (Note how the folks who fail to be true to who they are tend to meet with misery?)|
Originally Posted by MentalMaden
Subject: Victarion
Where do you see him in the grand scheme of things? Is he an important player, destined for some greatness? Will he eventually claim the Seastone Chair? Is he a big ole red herring soon to die a horrible death? Is he actually going to sweep Dany off her feet? I find him an interesting character, but find it hard to picture where his thread is going. On one hand he's as sympathetic a character that an ironborn can be, but his over confidence makes me wonder if he isn't going to die horribly. Possible from a dragon. Thoughts? |
Victarion will be transporting Daenerys to Westeros to save her cousin. I suspect he is going to turn on his brother, who basically sent him on a suicide mission. Now that he realizes this he will throw his lot in with the Targaryens, providing them some of the naval power they'll need to secure their claims in Westeros.
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I can't disagree, but I think you're asking for a lot of moral sophistication in a child raised as a noble in a medieval society. Add to that the fact that he's just discovering his powers, and he's used to using them on animals... |
Originally Posted by Clockwork O1
I'm not sure how he treats Hoder can be described as anything short of despicable, Jaime should have pushed with a blade first before dumping the body out the window.
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He's made mistakes certainly, but I'd cut him some slack.
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"To die hating NCSoft for shutting down City of Heroes, that was Freedom."
Shaggydog will be the Captain of the Kingsguard.
Wow, this could actually work...
Agua Man lvl 48 Water/Electric Blaster
"To die hating NCSoft for shutting down City of Heroes, that was Freedom."