[SPOILERS] Issue 23-New iTrial!


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Night Watcher, Myself, Cactus Brawler, CBeet and a few others are all on Skype.
Are you trying to talk him down from the top of Tyrant's tower?


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So VIP Beta starts Very "Soon" like the next few days?
According to the official sources in the chat window, it starts this week.


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This is not the case.

I would strongly recommend that you not put a lot of stock in rumors. Wait for official confirmation from a Red Name or for an official article, such as an Issue overview or an Intrepid Informer article. I promise, there is much more information to come.
So... what we saw on the live stream going live?..cause the story seemed like Cole blow up "his" earth

also my post count is no longer the meaning of Life


 

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This is not the case.

I would strongly recommend that you not put a lot of stock in rumors. Wait for official confirmation from a Red Name or for an official article, such as an Issue overview or an Intrepid Informer article. I promise, there is much more information to come.
Dude, I have never been so glad to see you in a thread. I promise at this point, info sooner rather than later would be a good thing.


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So... what we saw on the live stream going live?..cause the story seemed like Colo blow up "his" earth
We saw him blow up the heart of his empire - there was to much smoke too see how far the destruction reached.


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Originally Posted by Dr_MechanoEU View Post
We means this from an RP perspective not from a game mechanic perspective.

According to what we're hearing Praetoria is reduced to a lifeless wasteland thanks to Cole.
Within the confines of the Trial, perhaps. And there's really nothing to say how much of Praetoria is affected, and to what extent the damage has spread. First Ward is a perfect example.

As has been pointed out several times, story telling works in many ways within the structures of City of Heroes, as do timelines.

Again, wait for more official information please.


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Kings Row and Steel Canyon where destroyed in Apex's TF.

Skyway was wrecked in Sutter's TF.

Both looked perfectly fine when I clicked "Exit" This trial has no more RP impact than those did.


 

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So VIP Beta starts Very "Soon" like the next few days? I don't even know if ill still have internet for a day to at least see whats new before moving. Who knows how long it will take for me to find a good ISP for the new place.
For some reason the Beta server likes to do things on Thursday. Considering Friday is the start of a Holiday for a large portion of the world, tomorrow is the most likely time if it is going to start this week.

That and I have to go with my family out of town for the weekend and want to test it some before I have to go. I have Radiation at 7:30 AM est tomorrow, and that gives me the rest of the day to feel like crap, and play CoX.


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Kings Row and Steel Canyon where destroyed in Apex's TF.

Skyway was wrecked in Sutter's TF.

Both looked perfectly fine when I clicked "Exit" This trial has no more RP impact than those did.
That's my take as well.
If your character hasn't run the trial the events in it haven't happened for him.
Like many, many other storylines and chronologies in CoH that simply cannot be reconciled with a linear, objective approach to time.


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May I point out that First Ward will still exist.

Since it's linked to the new Praetorian zone Night Ward.

By conclusion we can assume more of Praetoria survives Cole's temper tantrum.


If all else fails, make a character from Pretoria, South Africa.


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Originally Posted by Dr_MechanoEU View Post
We means this from an RP perspective not from a game mechanic perspective.

According to what we're hearing Praetoria is reduced to a lifeless wasteland thanks to Cole.
This is the point that us RP'ers should be making here. Praetoria would be gone, Destroyed. We have seen this on the live stream. When this happens the ones that have Praetorians wouldn't be able to technically RP the trial if we ever wanted to RP them again OR we wouldn't be able to make new Praetorian toons to RP with. The devs also need to learn the EU RP community is different the US RP because us on Union work together to make sure we have a shared universe and the US seem to have thier own divided plots between Supergroups. For the Unionites this plot in the CoH cannon would be too much to accept and just saying Praetoria is in a different time stream would be hard to explain.


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Again, wait for more official information please.
Well get us this information then please before this thread either turns toxic or the rumors get worse


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If all else fails, make a character from Pretoria, South Africa.
Okay, you might be very close to replacing my sig quote with that one


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I'd never use a nuke in a superhero universe. You nuke a city, you kill 1.5 million people minus one. The last guy not only gets superpowers from the explosion, but ones that let him survive a nuke...and wow, is he torqued off
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Toxic threads are surprisingly easy to deal with, it turns out.


 

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But from the RP standpoint, you you can't make a new Praetorian because the place is gone. You can't RP in there anything new, any character progress you had if you kept the character there for IC reasons. Maybe your character never aimed to elave Praetoria? Well, now they're dead, have fun. -_-
You DO realize that the in-game timeline is usually flexible with regard to character advancement, right? That you can start a Praetorian character right now and that the Praetoria you experience is pre-Incarnate trial? It's the same way that Blyde Square in Steel Canyon still exists despite it being destroyed by Battle Maiden during the Tin Mage(?) Task Force, and the Antimatter reactors in Keyes Island are still functional despite them being shut down during the KIR.

I'd be very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very surprised if the actual zone of Nova Praetoria is a smoking crater come I23.


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Actually I'd love a future devastated praetoria zone dealing with the survivors having to deal with the inrush of Devouring Earth.


 

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I'm upset that Nova Praetoria is getting nuked. Given proximity, blastwaves, heat, radiation and fallout, Imperial City's pretty much done for, and likely a huge swathe of Neutropolis at the very least.

My characters left Praetoria always hoping to go back home one day. In Maxi Pound's case, she -liked- her job there, liked protecting people from terrorists and nutters, and her parents lived in the city. Circumstances forced her to leave with her colleague, but she always hoped she'd be able to go home at one point, when saner minds liked Marchand, Washington and Kang could help change things for the better.

Zahir Rolando has plenty of painful memories of Praetoria after the restaurant he and his partner were in was bombed by Resistance terrorists. But it also held a lot of great memories for him, and the chance to maybe make some new ones.

Constance Svanhildr deserted the IDF. She joined to fight the Devouring Earth years ago, and Primal Earth was a stupid target in her view, one that distracted them from their main fight in her opinion. So she left, but she was never disloyal to Praetoria, not in her heart. Now, yet another mistake from the past will ruin thousands of lives.

It presents a problem for the Union RP community because of how RP developed on Union from its beginning back in 2005. The IC timeline for the vast majority of roleplayers that I know, is that a day in our reality is a day in theirs. Characters have aged over the past 7 years, and we've tried our hardest to incorporate things into our characters lives as they come up.

Someone mentioned Galaxy City earlier. The difference is that Galaxy City, when the meteors hit, was destroyed. Characters were caught up in it. Some lived, some died, some were changed forever. We had a fiction thread about it, there was roleplay, new ideas were born out of it.

This presents a different problem, in that if the three Praetorian starter zones don't change, then there's quite a gulf of disconnect, especially for people new to the Unionverse. You get people coming from non-nuked Praetoria when others think it is nuked, so on and so forth.

As such, it seems like it will have to be as it is with Statesman now. Until he's no longer in IP, he's still alive. Until Nova Praetoria and other areas show the effects of Tyrant's madness, it hasn't occurred. That'll lead to problems in the long run more than likely, but that's how it'll have to be. There's no chance of the devs changing what happens in the iTrial, so we just have to deal. We already were able to thrash things out regarding Mot and the storyline updates in Dark Astoria (A large coalition of heroes and villains did interfering action on Tuesday in Astoria, to buy the NPC's time to do what they had to.)

It may seem crazy to some people, but the Unionverse has been alive and breathing for years now, with characters and player plots and incidents from seven years ago and onwards still coming up, being referenced, and having shaped out characters to how they are this day.

I apologies for the ramble, but it's been a long day that seems to have ended with a bit of a kick.


 

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If all else fails, make a character from Pretoria, South Africa.
Or Peoria, Illinois! Man, it must be awkward when the teleporters for BAFs get Praetoria and Peoria confused and a team of supers attack the Bureau of Agriculture and Farming.


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May I point out that First Ward will still exist.

Since it's linked to the new Praetorian zone Night Ward.
Night Ward is 30-35 - the Trials are 50+.


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Or Peoria, Illinois! Man, it must be awkward when the teleporters for BAFs get Praetoria and Peoria confused and a team of supers attack the Bureau of Agriculture and Farming.
BAF and farming seem to go together


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I'm upset that Nova Praetoria is getting nuked. Given proximity, blastwaves, heat, radiation and fallout, Imperial City's pretty much done for, and likely a huge swathe of Neutropolis at the very least.

My characters left Praetoria always hoping to go back home one day. In Maxi Pound's case, she -liked- her job there, liked protecting people from terrorists and nutters, and her parents lived in the city. Circumstances forced her to leave with her colleague, but she always hoped she'd be able to go home at one point, when saner minds liked Marchand, Washington and Kang could help change things for the better.

Zahir Rolando has plenty of painful memories of Praetoria after the restaurant he and his partner were in was bombed by Resistance terrorists. But it also held a lot of great memories for him, and the chance to maybe make some new ones.

Constance Svanhildr deserted the IDF. She joined to fight the Devouring Earth years ago, and Primal Earth was a stupid target in her view, one that distracted them from their main fight in her opinion. So she left, but she was never disloyal to Praetoria, not in her heart. Now, yet another mistake from the past will ruin thousands of lives.

It presents a problem for the Union RP community because of how RP developed on Union from its beginning back in 2005. The IC timeline for the vast majority of roleplayers that I know, is that a day in our reality is a day in theirs. Characters have aged over the past 7 years, and we've tried our hardest to incorporate things into our characters lives as they come up.

Someone mentioned Galaxy City earlier. The difference is that Galaxy City, when the meteors hit, was destroyed. Characters were caught up in it. Some lived, some died, some were changed forever. We had a fiction thread about it, there was roleplay, new ideas were born out of it.

This presents a different problem, in that if the three Praetorian starter zones don't change, then there's quite a gulf of disconnect, especially for people new to the Unionverse. You get people coming from non-nuked Praetoria when others think it is nuked, so on and so forth.

As such, it seems like it will have to be as it is with Statesman now. Until he's no longer in IP, he's still alive. Until Nova Praetoria and other areas show the effects of Tyrant's madness, it hasn't occurred. That'll lead to problems in the long run more than likely, but that's how it'll have to be. There's no chance of the devs changing what happens in the iTrial, so we just have to deal. We already were able to thrash things out regarding Mot and the storyline updates in Dark Astoria (A large coalition of heroes and villains did interfering action on Tuesday in Astoria, to buy the NPC's time to do what they had to.)

It may seem crazy to some people, but the Unionverse has been alive and breathing for years now, with characters and player plots and incidents from seven years ago and onwards still coming up, being referenced, and having shaped out characters to how they are this day.

I apologies for the ramble, but it's been a long day that seems to have ended with a bit of a kick.
As someone who's been a roleplaying for a few decades across various forms of media, I say this with the utmost respect: Adapt. If your RP group is insistent upon declaring Praetoria a post-apocalyptic wasteland due to what happens during an instanced trial, then adapt it to your RP and roll with it.


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As someone who's been a roleplaying for a few decades across various forms of media, I say this with the utmost respect: Adapt. If your RP group is insistent upon declaring Praetoria a post-apocalyptic wasteland due to what happens during an instanced trial, then adapt it to your RP and roll with it.
Are you nuts? These are the same RPers who have to ignore incarnate content and powers because 'WE DO NOT LIKE IT SO WE HAVE NOT INCARNATE POWERS!'. Granted this isn't a BAD idea, but roleplayers in CoX will refuse to adapt. And have in the past. Pretty sure a lot of 'canonical' stuff is thrown out the window.


 

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You DO realize that the in-game timeline is usually flexible with regard to character advancement, right? That you can start a Praetorian character right now and that the Praetoria you experience is pre-Incarnate trial? It's the same way that Blyde Square in Steel Canyon still exists despite it being destroyed by Battle Maiden during the Tin Mage(?) Task Force, and the Antimatter reactors in Keyes Island are still functional despite them being shut down during the KIR.

I'd be very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very surprised if the actual zone of Nova Praetoria is a smoking crater come I23.
That is not how RP should work. If you have a lvl 50 incarnated character and say you RP it daily in Pocket D. You go there, meet with some Praetorians among other people they know on a daily basis. You and the other palyers follow one timeline, you're in the -now-. There is no back-at-lvl-15 timeline and lvl 50 timeline, they're one and the same for both players. So once the new trial is canon with I23, suddenly all your Praetorian friends, associates and accomplices are gone because they live in Praetoria, but that place is no more.


 

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I also think it's pretty funny that they actually turned it back into the devestated wasteland that we first saw in Maria Jenkins' original arc


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