Paragon Market Releases (WHY U NO STAFF?)
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Posted on: 2012-04-03 10:40 in CoH and CoV General Discussions
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Actually, assuming that a nice chunk of that 10% is active ingame and uses ingame channels like Help a lot (a reasonable assumption), 10% as a seed group for spreading information throughout the player base is pretty good. |
Originally Posted by Zwillinger
A great suggestion! My only concern would be that the forums are not frequented by the majority of the player base (less than 10%) and as such are not the ideal avenue to convey such information.
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Word of Mouth (or Word of Keyboard) is a pretty useful marketing tool.
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Originally Posted by Zyphoid
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The development team and this community deserved better than this from NC Soft. Best wishes on your search.
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Originally Posted by Reiska
Just saying: there would not be a controversy here if not for the following facts:
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This. So much this. Something that my sister said once that seemed quite profound to me is that if you continue make a series of bad decision, eventually you reach a point where you can't make a good one anymore. This whole "darned if you do, darned if you don't" situation sounds like one that could've easily been avoided if planned ahead two months ago. What has me irked the most is the pet functionality being broken. I've made my first mastermind, and playing him feels more like I'm wrangling a daycare than commanding an army.
Though I an a bit saddened at the flames being exchanged in the thread. It is one of those things where it seems like no matter where I go, the place eventually devolves into chaos. The bringer of disorder and pain... the Blood Red Arachnid.
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The fact that Beast Mastery is either buggy or underperforming is a Beast Mastery issue. Anyone coupling that to Staff Melee, and the thread started as a staff melee complaint, is dictating release terms to Paragon Studios based on testing information they may not have the full details about. Closed betas were intended, among other things, to explicitly deal with that sort of thing. Closed beta testers are explicitly told, among other things, that they may be asked to test things that are not going to be released for an indeterminate time for any reason at all, and their testing of it should not imply the devs intend to release it immediately, or even at all ever.
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Originally Posted by Dr_MechanoEU
In response to both Electric Knight and Arcanaville.
Yes it's not just the fact that they "released Beast mastery first" that upset people which is what you seem to be driving at. It's the fact that Beast mastery was not only incredibly buggy it was also underpreforming after the same people that you say play closed beta said it was, you know, those people that without we'd be "stuck in the dark ages". It's a fact they were willing to push a set which was in an unfinished state out onto live than a set that had been sitting finished since the end of January, that just doesn't make any sense to me at all. If anything the release schedule should have been reversed. |
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Completely off topic, but this question keeps ringing in my head as I catch up on posts:
What the heck does 'ish' mean?
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Originally Posted by Arcanaville
Softcapping an Invuln is fantastic. Softcapping a Willpower is amazing. Softcapping SR is kissing your sister.
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I can't point to the specific thread or post it was mentioned, but my understanding is that several years ago, a very similar bug manifested with the pet AI, and it was traced to an interaction with movement speed buffs applied to pets. At the time, Castle resolved the bug by simply placing a harsh cap on how much pets' move speed could be buffed.|
Originally Posted by Electric-Knight
Honest, serious question here:
Is there any rational reason why people should think that the unlocking of BM (if it is for sale or not, it is in the coding already, just as Staff Fighting currently is, if I'm not mistaken) somehow creates and/or removes a bug affecting all Pet AI? Whether or not there is a pet AI bug that is worthy of being a show-stopper is another matter... but is there any basis within reality for blaming the release of Beast Mastery as the culprit of such a bug? |
That cap appears to have been relaxed with Beast Mastery's release, re-exposing the bug.
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Depending on context, it could be a shortening of "issue," or it could be pseudo-curse similar to "dang" or "frak" (I've usually seen it used as a substitute for the dreaded "S-word").
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Originally Posted by Void_Huntress
Completely off topic, but this question keeps ringing in my head as I catch up on posts:
What the heck does 'ish' mean? |
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I think that is part of the problem with VIP beta. It is really unclear if it is Closed or just restricted.|
Originally Posted by Arcanaville
The fact that Beast Mastery is either buggy or underperforming is a Beast Mastery issue. Anyone coupling that to Staff Melee, and the thread started as a staff melee complaint, is dictating release terms to Paragon Studios based on testing information they may not have the full details about. Closed betas were intended, among other things, to explicitly deal with that sort of thing. Closed beta testers are explicitly told, among other things, that they may be asked to test things that are not going to be released for an indeterminate time for any reason at all, and their testing of it should not imply the devs intend to release it immediately, or even at all ever.
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The times that I have been on the outside of closed beta I still acknowledged that it works better. Not just with the flow of information out, but it allows for better flow of information back into paragon also. In other words there was less crap posted and chatted about in the closed betas. I say this knowing it is possible that I may not be in future closed beta testing of this game that I love so much.
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I have no idea what you mean. I can only assume its some local for you news story.
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Originally Posted by Darth_Khasei
Hopefully none of them end up like the one's in South Carolina.
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I can think of three South Carolina mothers that have made national news, one of which may have even made international news. That's just off the top of my head, there may be others that I'm not thinking about right now.|
Originally Posted by tanstaafl
I have no idea what you mean. I can only assume its some local for you news story.
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One was convicted of killing her two sons, then putting them in a car and staging a crash into a river to make it look like accidental deaths.
Another is a more recent event with a mother charged with unlawful neglect after her child was taken to an emergency room (someone else called 911 when the mother didn't take them to get treatment for a fever). When the child's diaper was removed in the ER, maggots fell out of it. Also, tests of the blood and urine of the child came back positive for traces of marijuana.
The last one is another recent event of a teenaged mother intentionally stuffing a cotton ball sized object (part of a stuffed toy) down her child's throat. The incident was caught on video surveillance placed in the room to try to find the cause of some unexplained incidents since the child had a "history of life-threatening episodes".
I think the first one made international news as well as national news.
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Originally Posted by Texas Justice
I can think of three South Carolina mothers that have made national news, one of which may have even made international news. That's just off the top of my head, there may be others that I'm not thinking about right now.
One was convicted of killing her two sons, then putting them in a car and staging a crash into a river to make it look like accidental deaths. Another is a more recent event with a mother charged with unlawful neglect after her child was taken to an emergency room (someone else called 911 when the mother didn't take them to get treatment for a fever). When the child's diaper was removed in the ER, maggots fell out of it. Also, tests of the blood and urine of the child came back positive for traces of marijuana. The last one is another recent event of a teenaged mother intentionally stuffing a cotton ball sized object (part of a stuffed toy) down her child's throat. The incident was caught on video surveillance placed in the room to try to find the cause of some unexplained incidents since the child had a "history of life-threatening episodes". I think the first one made international news as well as national news. |
So that means Darth_Khasei is trying to insinuate I actively harm children in my care then?
Darth_Khasei Please explain why you quoted me and posted that.
Because, as it reads, that would be a new low of scumness to add to a pretendy time game forum debate.
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You know, I should have seen that coming....
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Originally Posted by Chad Gulzow-Man
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Originally Posted by Darth_Khasei
Closed BETA's would have only compounded this problem since it would probably only be open to bum kissers. Glad they got rid of that ish.
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Were you around for the letter when I left?
Do you remember the various criticisms I've leveled at the devs (such as comparing the entire team to a hyperactive dog in a room full of superballs because of how well things keep their attention?)
If that's "bum kissing," then damn, I don't know what would appease you. Because I was in a fair number of closed betas. And I know a fair number of other people who were in there, and personality wise, there was a wide range of people - from "rabid about the game" to "annoyed" - but they were there because *they wanted the feedback.* They knew things would *get tested* - without the mass of open beta "I just want to see the shiny" that tends to add a lot of noise without much content.
Or, as Arcanavile said, quite properly (and being someone who gets invite dto them because she is Math Incarnate,)
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| Closed betas have always, always run more smoothly than open betas, and closed beta testers have always, always demonstrated far less entitlement about anything that appeared in closed betas. |
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No it doesn't, but you are more than welcomed to take it that way and run as you seemed to have already. There was no debate involved here.|
Originally Posted by tanstaafl
So that means Darth_Khasei is trying to insinuate I actively harm children in my care then?
Darth_Khasei Please explain why you quoted me and posted that. Because, as it reads, that would be a new low of scumness to add to a pretendy time game forum debate. |
Originally Posted by Agent White
"Really, you have to have a lot of respect for Zwillinger. Anyone that has to deal with children day to day and not murder them has the patience of a saint."
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Originally Posted by tanstaafl
I work with 100's of children everyday, and I wouldn't have Z's patience/tolerance.
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It was a straight forward play on your level of patience after what Agent said he would do due to his lack of patience. I don't see the need to blow that scenario up and play victim, but YMMV.
The development team and this community deserved better than this from NC Soft. Best wishes on your search.
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Why did you think the post I made had "anything" to do with you? I didn't say every single person invited to closed BETA's were in fact bum kissers. I have been invited and participated in them so that couldn't be fact LOL.|
Originally Posted by Memphis_Bill
... right.
Were you around for the letter when I left? Do you remember the various criticisms I've leveled at the devs (such as comparing the entire team to a hyperactive dog in a room full of superballs because of how well things keep their attention?) If that's "bum kissing," then damn, I don't know what would appease you. Because I was in a fair number of closed betas. And I know a fair number of other people who were in there, and personality wise, there was a wide range of people - from "rabid about the game" to "annoyed" - but they were there because *they wanted the feedback.* They knew things would *get tested* - without the mass of open beta "I just want to see the shiny" that tends to add a lot of noise without much content. Or, as Arcanavile said, quite properly (and being someone who gets invite dto them because she is Math Incarnate,) About the only "closed" beta I can recall having problems was the one that essentially nuked PVP. |
I will tell you what, I will go the Reppu route and try only to post positive posts. Cheers
The development team and this community deserved better than this from NC Soft. Best wishes on your search.
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How odd.|
Originally Posted by Doctor Roswell
Depending on context, it could be a shortening of "issue," or it could be pseudo-curse similar to "dang" or "frak" (I've usually seen it used as a substitute for the dreaded "S-word").
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Peculiar, even.
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Originally Posted by Arcanaville
Softcapping an Invuln is fantastic. Softcapping a Willpower is amazing. Softcapping SR is kissing your sister.
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God, this is Street Justice all over again.
Hey Marketing, protip: Having to wait months for a set that is already done and ready for no other reason than you thinking it builds hype doesn't make me excited. It makes me frustrated. And when it's finally out, the "Yaaaay I am going to play this forever!" is long gone, replaced with "About guddamn time."
Long story short? If Staff released with I22, I would have one at 50 now. Now? I don't think I'll even be buying it.
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I've never seen it used outside of "kind of" or "sort of". Prudish, roundish, etc. Some people will do something like, "that was fun...ish" for the same effect.
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Originally Posted by Void_Huntress
What the heck does 'ish' mean?
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While I agree with the gist of the post I cannot help but find it upsetting to hear you will not be purchasing the set when released. I can understand the hard feelings though, I think they really really really need to rethink their release strategy. |
Originally Posted by SkarmoryThePG
God, this is Street Justice all over again.
Hey Marketing, protip: Having to wait months for a set that is already done and ready for no other reason than you thinking it builds hype doesn't make me excited. It makes me frustrated. And when it's finally out, the "Yaaaay I am going to play this forever!" is long gone, replaced with "About guddamn time." Long story short? If Staff released with I22, I would have one at 50 now. Now? I don't think I'll even be buying it. |
It looks really nice on paper, but in practice that paper is being used to line the bottom of the pet cage.
The ish part is mixed up slang missing the letter t.
The development team and this community deserved better than this from NC Soft. Best wishes on your search.
Yeah, just pointing out, for the record. Last night the curiosity over the Stalker buff got me and not having anything else I wanted to play...
I turned my Staff concept into a Stalker instead.
That's another lost or significantly delayed sale...
Just sayin'
(How sad is it that I'm hoping not to enjoy him so I do end up rerolling him as Staff. 
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This got me thinking... You will most likely end up rolling the Staff guy still, or at least that seems like their gamble. In the meantime you have another alt... Maybe there is a method to the madness from Paragon.
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Originally Posted by MaestroMavius
Yeah, just pointing out, for the record. Last night the curiosity over the Stalker buff got me and not having anything else I wanted to play...
I turned my Staff concept into a Stalker instead. That's another lost or significantly delayed sale... Just sayin' (How sad is it that I'm hoping not to enjoy him so I do end up rerolling him as Staff. ) |
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Wow lots of madness in this thread.
Now, i've been looking forward to Staff since it was leaked ages ago. Got a concept all ready for it and everything. I'm annoyed that it hasn't come out yet, but not to the pont of 'OMG I'll never buy it because you suck Paragon' or anything like that. I just wanna make my magical girl who hits things with sticks.
Likewise, I have little to no interest in Beast Mastery or vanity pets. But I'm not angry about either thing, I just grown with disappointment and save my free VIP points.
But even though I didn't buy Beast Mastery, and likely never will because I just can't get into playing a Mastermind, and kudos to those that do, I am disappointed to hear about how it was released in such an unfinished state from those who know way more about the game than I do. I think that releasing a buggy, underpowered set looks worse than releasing too many sets at once or whatever.
But on the upside, I'm really enjoying my Dark/Dark Troller!
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This is true, but keeping such information on a piece of paper in your desk drawer is not a superior alternative.
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Originally Posted by Zwillinger
A great suggestion! My only concern would be that the forums are not frequented by the majority of the player base (less than 10%) and as such are not the ideal avenue to convey such information.
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