Would you use Paragon Points to buy Epic/Power Pool customization?
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Posted on: 2012-03-15 09:54 in CoH and CoV General Discussions
I'd rather not entertain the hypothetical scenario, but...
I'd eat babies for power customization for Epic/Power pools and such.
Been way too long and knocked way down the totem pole (publicly, at least... whether they've been plinking away at it, we don't really know, but... I'd think they'd have told us that it is slowly being worked on - if it were - all this time).
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Originally Posted by Demobot
I would not spend more than $15 a month on Power Pool customization.
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I would not pay for it. However, I am not averse to "free for VIP, pay otherwise". They need more VIP perks anyway.
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I understand the opinion that customization options for power pools and epic pools be completed as part of the original free power customization project, and I share the frustration with how often it seems projects in CoH are taken to 90% completion then abandoned.
But... the realist in me predicts that there are two potentialities here - we demand pool customization for free and it never gets done, or we accept it as a Paragon Store purchasable upgrade and it might get done. I'll grudgingly accept the latter. Heck, not even that grudgingly. I was one of the sillyheads that put down 800 points for a leprechaun that is entirely possible I'll never use, I'd be more than willing to put down the same points (or more) for customization options I'd use on every single one of my 60+ alts.
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Source? According to ustream etc it is an issue/suggestion they are well aware of and continue looking into it. Nowhere have they ever stated it would be at a cost...so no it is not pretty clear that it will never happen nor is it pretty clear that it will cost anything on the market.
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Originally Posted by Lazarillo
This is the sort of thing that really should be part of the package, but it's pretty clear that it'll never be done that way, and under the current marketing system, if we see it at all, it'll be for a sizable extra fee.
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Short answer: No.|
Originally Posted by Haetron
Figured this was a question worth asking/discussing. I think its a thing that is pretty much wanted across the board, but it's becoming painfully obvious at this point that if it's not something that can't be gated behind being a VIP or cost PPs, and isn't a game balance issue, it's not going to get dev time at this point.
I guess personally, it'd depend on the price. I was pretty annoyed with the fact the Super Tailor came bundled in an add-on pack purchase, and even with the Freedom Launch, think it's still overpriced and have not purchased it yet. So the question is, would you pay? And if so, how much is the cut off point? I'd be annoyed if pool customization came with a price tag attached, but Id honestly cough up points for it, as it's something more useful in the long run than the super tailor. My concern is it would probably wind up being segmented out into smaller portions with a bulk discount. I'd honestly probably pay 10 dollars/800 points max as a "day one purchase". Opinions or thoughts? |
Longer answer: While i really want additional customization options for pool powers i would not pay anything above my subscription for the ability. Furthermore i think this should be added with the same restrictions as primary and secondary customization, that is to say none at all.
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I would never pay for this. Ever.
It should be free to all players just as the other power customization is. Charging a fee for it will just put a bad taste in the mouths of the player community, and push them away.
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Originally Posted by Memphis_Bill
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No. This would be the sort of thing that would make me leave again, and warn others against getting involved with the game. |
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Originally Posted by Memphis_Bill
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I would pay for packages of optional customizations (much like costume pieces), but not for the basic tech.
From today's Facebook Freedom Fridays, in response to someone referencing this exact thread:
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I am not usually a blunt person, but: until this is done, along with the regular pool powers, "power customization" is an unfinished job. It should be in the schedule. Maybe you want to release two more Incarnate powers before you tackle this. Maybe your powers/animations teams are busy refining Beast Mastery and Staff Fighting, and working on a couple more power sets for the next few months. That's all good, and I get that. But this should, at least, be in the schedule. "Finding time" should not be an issue. Please, I implore you: make time.|
Originally Posted by City of Heroes
Ancillary and Epic Power Pool customization is something we'd like to do, but it's a matter of finding time in the schedule.
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Obviously, that is my opinion and should be treated as such.
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Originally Posted by Winterminal
From today's Facebook Freedom Fridays, in response to someone referencing this exact thread:
I am not usually a blunt person, but: until this is done, along with the regular pool powers, "power customization" is an unfinished job. It should be in the schedule. Maybe you want to release two more Incarnate powers before you tackle this. Maybe your powers/animations teams are busy refining Beast Mastery and Staff Fighting, and working on a couple more power sets for the next few months. That's all good, and I get that. But this should, at least, be in the schedule. "Finding time" should not be an issue. Please, I implore you: make time. Obviously, that is my opinion and should be treated as such. |
Yeah, but its a darn good opinion.
More bluntly put I don't want to hear anymore of this for Paragon Points crappola when this is a scheduling priority issue and NOT as Z said about the releasing of powers like staff a resource issue. Enough with trying to give other people's money away for stuff that should be completed to make a feature full ie. powers customization.
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Originally Posted by Memphis_Bill
No.
This would be the sort of thing that would make me leave again, and warn others against getting involved with the game. It would be like a dealership selling you a car, then charging you an extra $3000 for the steering wheel, rear window and one of the wheels (rim, tire and all.) The work itself isn't finished, IMHO. It's something that nobody should have to pay for. |
I absolutely understand that as players we generally don't want to have to pay anything extra for anything that we could otherwise get for free - I get that. But trying to express this position in terms of how it would "ruin the game" or make it "impossible to play" are laughably ridiculous.
If the Devs offer something us something OPTIONAL to buy then we always have the CHOICE to decide if we want to pay for it or not. Even if you choose not to buy something like this that can't possibly ruin your -current- gaming experience in the least. I've been playing this game for almost 8 years now and if the Devs magically offered us new Power Customizations tomorrow that we'd have to pay for in the Paragon Market I could very easily continue to play the same game I've enjoyed for years even if I refused to buy them.
I just wish people would get over their misguided entitlement mindset and either just pay or don't pay for things without trying to paint the company as some kind of axis of evil just because they want to earn extra money. *shrugs*
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Agreed. I'd be willing to bet that I want customization for Oppressive Gloom alone more than I want anything else in the schedule.
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Originally Posted by Winterminal
I am not usually a blunt person, but: until this is done, along with the regular pool powers, "power customization" is an unfinished job. It should be in the schedule. Maybe you want to release two more Incarnate powers before you tackle this. Maybe your powers/animations teams are busy refining Beast Mastery and Staff Fighting, and working on a couple more power sets for the next few months. That's all good, and I get that. But this should, at least, be in the schedule. "Finding time" should not be an issue. Please, I implore you: make time.
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Originally Posted by Winterminal
From today's Facebook Freedom Fridays, in response to someone referencing this exact thread:
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I even, possibly, feel a little more strongly about it, because before Issue 16 was released we were asking when Power Pools and Epic Pools were going to get done.
And they said, "We couldn't get it done for Issue 16" and that they'd hopefully get to it shortly afterward.
Then Going Rogue was announced...
When are we going to get Power Pools and Epic Pools customizable?
I think the first wave was possibly before Going Rogue, but not sure... then it was definitively "It is going to have to wait until after Going Rogue", which I was none too happy about, but... schedules and release dates and all that... it happens.
Now... Let me point out that I don't have any personal negativity or animosity towards anyone involved in any of this... I just find it really nuts, lousy, -word-of-disapproval-that-I-can't-seem-to-find-at-the-moment- that, not only has it not been done yet, but it has been reduced to this "Oh, yeah, that's an idea... maybe some day, but it's not on the schedule right now".
Ever since Going Rogue was released, the idea of finishing the job of Issue 16's Power Customization just seemed to be dropped from their reality.
To this day, I can't recall this community being so overly happy as when Issue 16 was announced and released. It's a bit of a shame, to me, that it was left unfinished (I'm sorry, but what is the point of having your powers color customized when you're left with default Epic powers of the same elements that can't be customized... and most often are used regularly, never mind constantly, such as the Epic Armors... And then there is Hasten and Super Speed, the top request).
I get it... business, marketing, resources, workload, estimated bang-for-your-buck and all that... but... you started this... and it just makes it worse that it has been left in this unfinished state.
Anyway, that's all the rant I have in me about any silly video game stuff. Nothing to take seriously. Just some opinions about the situation, the history and the progression.
I'm imagining that all that insane amount of work required to get done what they did get done was way more than anyone is willing to schedule/set time-and-resources aside for. Having no real clue about how things actually happened to make Issue 16 reality... I'm left wondering if things were far more loose, regarding such scheduling, resources and time and/or the people working on it just used their own time to make it happen... Again, I really don't know.
Maybe it is as simple as losing our champ, Back Alley Brawler.
Not that we don't have champs on the roster now, hehehe... much love to everyone there. As an enormous fan of Power Customization and what it brought to this game... it's just a big, surprising and disappointing state of affairs that it has fallen so greatly off of the company's radar.
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You phrased that eloquently. I agree. The dealership was nice enough to go from selling cars only in black, to selling them in any color, and people somehow feel that means they also agreed to offer spinning rims and tinted windows to anyone who wanted them, at no extra charge.|
Originally Posted by Lothic
No, your car analogy is completely wrong here.
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On the other hand...
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...because before Issue 16 was released we were asking when Power Pools and Epic Pools were going to get done. And they said, "We couldn't get it done for Issue 16" and that they'd hopefully get to it shortly afterward.
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So, to continue your equivalence, Lothic - they did agree to provide that service; then the monetization of the game changed. I can understand (even if I don't entirely agree with) the angry mob that would gather if they charged for it.
...understand, as I lined up to (happily) pay Paragon Points, that is.
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Originally Posted by Lothic
No, your car analogy is completely wrong here. The dealership in this case is not charging you extra for anything the car actually NEEDS to operate as a fully functional car.
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| A more accurate analogy here is that you're buying a car and the dealership is offering to sell you OPTIONAL racing strips, tinted windows and satellite radio. You don't NEED any of those things to drive the car. |
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| I absolutely understand that as players we generally don't want to have to pay anything extra for anything that we could otherwise get for free - I get that. But trying to express this position in terms of how it would "ruin the game" or make it "impossible to play" are laughably ridiculous. |
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| If the Devs offer something us something OPTIONAL to buy then we always have the CHOICE to decide if we want to pay for it or not. |
I'd be annoyed if they released a new task force free to everyone.... but charged me a fee to be able to run the last mission. Which you're saying is fine, "since you don't need to run that task force."
I'd be annoyed if they released a free costume set for everyone... but charged for the boots and gloves, or for one of the body types when the other two had it free.
And I'd be annoyed if, after giving us 90% of basic customization, they charged for the same basic customization for pool/ancillary/patron powers. (AGAIN, though, I'd be fine with purchasing fancier, new, non-basic animations - a lightning bolt coming down for hasten going off, flames that look like flames for superspeed, etc. as they'd be *beyond* the basic tint/noFX we have for the other powers.)
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| Even if you choose not to buy something like this that can't possibly ruin your -current- gaming experience in the least. I've been playing this game for almost 8 years now and if the Devs magically offered us new Power Customizations tomorrow that we'd have to pay for in the Paragon Market I could very easily continue to play the same game I've enjoyed for years even if I refused to buy them. |
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Is it really a suprise that Power pool customisation is still not done?
Paragon Studios are a bunch of magpies, they forget one shiny when they see a new shiny. It will never get finished because once they get a new shiny to play with they'll say abandon the Incarnate ssytem to focus on I dunno the Secret Identy system, which in turn will not be finished because they make a third new thing to play with.
Just look at the bugger tonne of wolves that we've been inundated with because they made a shiny new rig to play with. Does their need to be a Wolf pet, teir one wolves for Beastmastery, tier three wolves for beast mastery. the pet for Darkness Control? Wolf.
Magpies the lot of them. Except maybe Dink.
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Originally Posted by CactusBrawler
Is it really a suprise that Power pool customisation is still not done?
Paragon Studios are a bunch of magpies, they forget one shiny when they see a new shiny. It will never get finished because once they get a new shiny to play with they'll say abandon the Incarnate ssytem to focus on I dunno the Secret Identy system, which in turn will not be finished because they make a third new thing to play with. Just look at the bugger tonne of wolves that we've been inundated with because they made a shiny new rig to play with. Does their need to be a Wolf pet, teir one wolves for Beastmastery, tier three wolves for beast mastery. the pet for Darkness Control? Wolf. Magpies the lot of them. Except maybe Dink. |
A lot gets forgotten or left behind.
I would pay 400 PP's for APP/PPP/Pool power customization for all of my characters since it would just mean sacrificing my free stipend for a single month. Anything more than that and I would be annoyed about it.
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Originally Posted by Memphis_Bill
I wish people would quit misusing "entitlement" where it doesn't belong.
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Yeah, I think the word "entitlement" applies.
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This is actually my highest desired remaining option, as my characters with their fully customized powers look jarring when they start shooting purple APP electricity with the normal gold bolts, orange fire with their blue fire, or purpley soul powers with their green darkness. It would guarantee that I play a number of characters almost double what I do now, as now the visual difference can be annoying. I'd be enormously happy if pool customization were made.
That said, I'd be perturbed if they charged me for it, particularly as a subscriber. How perturbed? Depends what they charged, but at a base level I find customization to be at the core of this game, so charging for something so close to the center of it would rub me the wrong way. Yes, I know they charge for costume stuff, but that's not locking away the ability to change stuff our character already has/controls.