So... No Freespec w/ I22?
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Posted on: 2012-03-06 18:42 in CoH and CoV General Discussions
Currently, there are no plans to issue a free respec coinciding with the launch of Issue 22.
My apologies to anyone who may be disappointed by this.
Andy Belford
Community Manager
Paragon Studios
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Previously, pretty much any time there were significant changes to a powerset (as far as I can remember), we'd get a freespec. Why wouldn't one be released this time?
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Originally Posted by Zwillinger
Currently, there are no plans to issue a free respec coinciding with the launch of Issue 22.
My apologies to anyone who may be disappointed by this. |
I'm not disappointed. I just find it interesting.
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Uhmm ok
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Originally Posted by Zwillinger
Currently, there are no plans to issue a free respec coinciding with the launch of Issue 22.
My apologies to anyone who may be disappointed by this. |
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Originally Posted by Paladiamors
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I sorta expected them as it's almost tradition to do so with a new issue. More so, however, because there were powers changes to Gravity Control and Stalkers in general. |
Originally Posted by Zwillinger
Currently, there are no plans to issue a free respec coinciding with the launch of Issue 22.
My apologies to anyone who may be disappointed by this. |
At least I retain any freespecs that were granted previously(I have been using those to spec in the new ATO's)
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Well, my guess...
1) Last I recall all characters that had used up all their free vet specs, got issued new ones with Freedom. Could be wrong, but I swear my DB/WP who had used them all before hand had gotten a bunch of new ones.
2) 3 respec trials (on red and blue side) in game.
3) respec recipe canbe purchased in game.
4) Most importantly, respec can be purchased in the market.
Giving it away free with all those other free options available, makes it hard to make money on the market one.
I expect to see less free respecs given out.
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Bingo. Also there are 2 more you can get from the patron arcs.
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Originally Posted by BrandX
Well, my guess...
1) Last I recall all characters that had used up all their free vet specs, got issued new ones with Freedom. Could be wrong, but I swear my DB/WP who had used them all before hand had gotten a bunch of new ones. 2) 3 respec trials (on red and blue side) in game. 3) respec recipe canbe purchased in game. 4) Most importantly, respec can be purchased in the market. Giving it away free with all those other free options available, makes it hard to make money on the market one. I expect to see less free respecs given out. |
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Originally Posted by BrandX
Well, my guess...
1) Last I recall all characters that had used up all their free vet specs, got issued new ones with Freedom. Could be wrong, but I swear my DB/WP who had used them all before hand had gotten a bunch of new ones. 2) 3 respec trials (on red and blue side) in game. 3) respec recipe canbe purchased in game. 4) Most importantly, respec can be purchased in the market. Giving it away free with all those other free options available, makes it hard to make money on the market one. I expect to see less free respecs given out. |
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Originally Posted by DreadShinobi
Bingo. Also there are 2 more you can get from the patron arcs.
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When the Devs change powers, we shouldn't have to spend cash to adjust. Period.
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Ah, you can ignore that PM from me, then. Thanks for the public reply, Zwill.|
Originally Posted by Zwillinger
Currently, there are no plans to issue a free respec coinciding with the launch of Issue 22.
My apologies to anyone who may be disappointed by this. |
Zombie Man's post sums up my thoughts well on this, but I would not be too surprised to see BrandX's logic chain win out.
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If this is because they're for sale on the market, count me very pissed off.|
Originally Posted by Zwillinger
Currently, there are no plans to issue a free respec coinciding with the launch of Issue 22.
My apologies to anyone who may be disappointed by this. |
And I've been pretty supportive of the market.
Based on the original philosophy behind why "freespecs" existed, we should not be expected to pay real-world money to adjust when you guys need to make changes to the game, whether you're buffing or "nerfing" something. If you expect us to do that, expect a lot less graciousness from players (from those who ever offer you any) when you make balance changes. If you expect me to pay to adjust, then expect me to expect less need for adjustment from you.
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Yes, it can be troublesome for older characters and we shouldn't have to pay to adjust to game changes, but when they can profit off it, which route do you think they would prefer?
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Originally Posted by Zombie Man
Some 8 year old characters just maybe have gone through them all. And even with all those options, they gave out free respecs with just about every Issue, even if there weren't changes made to powers before the Market was in play.
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Not any time. I remember at least once before this being disappointed that they weren't releasing a freespec with some changes.
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Originally Posted by Remmet
Previously, pretty much any time there were significant changes to a powerset (as far as I can remember), we'd get a freespec.
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Here to register my disapproval at the decision to not give freespecs for i22. Besides a couple of bugs (which I'm confident will get fixed in a timely manner) this is the first genuinely negative news I've had about the issue.
I can understand not giving them out when there's no major rebalancing, but there was quite a lot for this issue. UberGuy already explained quite clearly why this is disappointing.
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Well, I don't really need them (never used Grav, always took AS and slotted it on my Stalkers), but colour me confused as to the reasoning behind not giving one this issue. These aren't exactly small changes here. It certainly seems to go against the precedent...
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Originally Posted by Zwillinger
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Originally Posted by Captain_Photon
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Freespecs are generally issued a week or so after the issue goes live to ensure that people get them when needed.
That said, the community team has been very quiet on this so I'm wondering if it'll happen.
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Originally Posted by Scarlet Shocker
Freespecs are generally issued a week or so after the issue goes live to ensure that people get them when needed.
That said, the community team has been very quiet on this so I'm wondering if it'll happen. |
If you want to edit your post, I'll edit mine.
They decided they'd give a freespec if they got above a common on a DA reward table.
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Originally Posted by MajorDecoy
I'd say neither. Typically the free respecs went out on three occasions:
1) Anniversary 2) Winter Event 3) Massive change to an archetype or the entire game. This is a fairly major change to gravity, but only gravity. It doesn't meet the threshold for a free respec. |
So the entire way Stalkers run does not count as a massive change?
Here is the massive change that does count, the massive amount of $Change$ they are gonna get in microtransactions selling Respecs.
yeah, I feel jipped. I hoard my vet respecs, and delete characters (50s) that I start to use them on.
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Actually, I'd say no.|
Originally Posted by Blue_Centurion
So the entire way Stalkers run does not count as a massive change?
Here is the massive change that does count, the massive amount of $Change$ they are gonna get in microtransactions selling Respecs. yeah, I feel jipped. I hoard my vet respecs, and delete characters (50s) that I start to use them on. |
Before you slotted Assassin Strike like an attack. Now it's a useable attack.
If you skipped it (and Im sure someone out there did), then you were skipping a major component of the Stalker AT to begin with
I mean really. My slotting didn't change due to the stalker changes. My slotting changed due to the ATO set for Stalkers.
I really can't imagine that many who changed their slotting on their Stalker unless the change was trying to turn a 5 slotted attack to a 6 slotted. Is that the case?
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Originally Posted by BrandX
Actually, I'd say no.
Before you slotted Assassin Strike like an attack. Now it's a useable attack. If you skipped it (and Im sure someone out there did), then you were skipping a major component of the Stalker AT to begin with I mean really. My slotting didn't change due to the stalker changes. My slotting changed due to the ATO set for Stalkers. I really can't imagine that many who changed their slotting on their Stalker unless the change was trying to turn a 5 slotted attack to a 6 slotted. Is that the case? |
Some people slotted AS with 3 damage/acc HOs and 3 damage procs since it was very situational power recharge and end were never a big concern now they are.
I don't really care personally about the freespecs myself i have 4 vetspecs on every toon I make now so meh.
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Keep the 3 HO's in the power and replace the procs?|
Originally Posted by Lucky666
Some people slotted AS with 3 damage/acc HOs and 3 damage procs since it was very situational power recharge and end were never a big concern now they are.
I don't really care personally about the freespecs myself i have 4 vetspecs on every toon I make now so meh. |
I'm not saying it won't suck, but, what got done doesn't require a respec, it requires 6 new enhancements.
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There was actually a very big HO change. Example would be slotting centriole's in the thermal shields would actually give you a better resistance than other sets. Thats just a simple example but i have many toons affected by the HO change that all need respecs because i have enhancements in there doing pretty much nothing now.
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While I was personally affected by that, I refrain from asking for a respec for adjusting to replacing those HOs. Rednames told us long ago that using HOs that way was a mild exploit, and that some day it would change. I feel for people who might have done it because the game allowed it, but I'm not sure that one warrants a freespec on its own based on its "exploity" nature. That's just my opinion, though.
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Originally Posted by Elric
There was actually a very big HO change. Example would be slotting centriole's in the thermal shields would actually give you a better resistance than other sets. Thats just a simple example but i have many toons affected by the HO change that all need respecs because i have enhancements in there doing pretty much nothing now.
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I had it slotted very poorly for recharge and endurance, because it was not an attack I used often. What was slotted in it was desirable to keep. My non-respec choices were to overlay valuable IOs or spend Paragon Points or Reward Tokens on unslotters.
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Originally Posted by BrandX
I really can't imagine that many who changed their slotting on their Stalker unless the change was trying to turn a 5 slotted attack to a 6 slotted. Is that the case?
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Final Rest: 50 MA/Rgn
Abyssal Frost: 50 Ice/Dark
Golden Ember: 50 SM/FA
Hmm... between the changes to Gravity and Stalkers, I figured there would be a FreeSpec. It's weird that this time there isn't one...
Ah well. Maybe with the 8 Year Anniversary?
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