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Apologies if this has been asked elsewhere, but if Statesman is being removed from the game completely, how will we be able to get the Oppressor Badge from killing him in Recluse's Victory? Or is that an alternate Statesman?
Eventually, all game mechanics that relied on Statesman being there alive will be shifted to "something else."


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Sticking to Exalted, Freedom, and Virtue while not going to other servers doesn't count. Neither does showing up with their developer/community team accounts.
You hear that devs? Snow Globe has apparently been stalking you.

How else would the globe know you haven't been listening on your private non-company accounts?


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Where have they said that? I havent seen any posts to that affect.

Was it in the Ustream? I missed it this week... and the cliff notes only say "no comment... ask Baryonyx."

Not being accusitory, but I'd like to see ANY red name response to this issue, even that one.
Whew, glad I'm not the only one, at least I'm not that blind to a dev post in the i22 forums heh....


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Instead, the developers have (edit: given the impression) that they are sticking with the trial at +3 (edit: because increasing the difficulty implies "progression").
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Link?

Dev digests don't work for me...I don't remember seeing that post.
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Where have they said that? I havent seen any posts to that affect.

Was it in the Ustream? I missed it this week... and the cliff notes only say "no comment... ask Baryonyx."

Not being accusitory, but I'd like to see ANY red name response to this issue, even that one.
Sorry, I thought I seen a comment to that said/implied that. Probably a player post, not a developer statement.

On the other hand, during this ustream Second Measure, while saying he didn't know why Baryonyx set the difficulty, said that there was a progression to the Incarnate Trials and that the trial is an extension of the progression.

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You hear that devs? Snow Globe has apparently been stalking you.

How else would the globe know you haven't been listening on your private non-company accounts?
It is a reasonable deduction, based on the fact that several of the development team's "home" server is Virtue. They would also be asking on Freedom due to the larger population. They also spend a lot of time on Exalted.

As to the stalking... There is approximately 1,000 miles between me and Paragon Studios, strictly geographically speaking. Then again, that might cover the philosophical difference too.




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As you've said, it can be shown that some suggestions heeded and some ignored. Some days it seems better, other days worse.
That's going to be the norm for any company that operates in the world.


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As to the stalking... There is approximately 1,000 miles between me and Paragon Studios, strictly geographically speaking. Then again, that might cover the philosophical difference too.

Let's be honest, your username (Snow Globe) is just too obvious.

You use plain ol' snow globes to use as palantirs to see what the devs are doing from all that distance away!

The truth is out, freedom reigns!



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Let's be honest, your username (Snow Globe) is just too obvious.

You use plain ol' snow globes to use as palantirs to see what the devs are doing from all that distance away!

The truth is out, freedom reigns!
I'm also a controlled item that can't be taken through security checkpoints at airports in the USA:




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That isn't what I said. To use a current example, the DD trial on beta. After promising to look into a solo/small team Incarnate path, they stick a 54+3 Incarnate Trial for 8-16 players in the middle of a level 50+1 arc. A level 50 doing said zone content will be level 50+1 by that point.

Does that, in any shape or form, strike you as reasonable?

At best, that character is going to be facing +5 (for a few critters), and +6 critters for the majority of the trial. Even proponents of having difficult trials are giving feedback that the level shifts should be taken out of the trial so that it can be another introductory trial. Instead, the developers have (edit: given the impression) that they are sticking with the trial at +3 (edit: because increasing the difficulty implies "progression").
I don't see how this relates to the claim that they don't care about feedback. You cite a bad change. Okay. How does that counter the fact that they have very recently changed a good number of their plans due specifically to player feedback? And I'm just referring to plans around one thing: The Super Packs.




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Actually that's not true. 5 super packs are worth way more than any of the other repeatables, both for people who like consumables and for people who don't like consumables but like what's in the packs.
Oh I'm not really trying to complain or anything. More grousing about it really. Should they go live at 5 per token I'll still be happily slotting my spare tokens into the thing.

The contents of the pack being worth more than $1 is probably why we're getting only 5 per token, but that doesn't alter the fact that they go for $1 individually and less when purchased as a pack. Very roughly the other items you can get as repeatable T9 rewards are 'worth' about $8 which is why I was kind of hoping we'd get 8 packs per token instead of 5.


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I'm sorry Zwill but I don't belive you when you say that player feedback resulted in the ATE's being made available through gameplay.

That seems to be a move based purely on avoiding the negative press of the game being called 'pay to win', especially given NCSoft's poor history with said pay to win games in the west.


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I'm going to say something (which has been quoted more than enough already, so *snip*)
Alright. That's fair enough. I'll try to keep that in mind and do a better job about keeping a level head. You all have my honest apologies for where I've suggested that you don't care about feedback.

Now, about the costume parts and the dark wolf pet: We just want to know that we WILL be able to get them outside of the packs. While we would (obviously) prefer to do it right away, I don't think most of us would object too much if it was 6 months down the line. Details can be decided later (just keep them reasonable), we just want to know that it WILL be. Please come out and say YES or NO on this once and for all BEFORE the packs go live.

Also, I would love it (seriously) if you could give me a good reason for allowing other people to view your collections other than selling badges under a different name. I honestly don't like to think Paragon's going there, but it's the only possible explination I've seen given and I can't think of any other.


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That seems to be a move based purely on avoiding the negative press of the game being called 'pay to win', especially given NCSoft's poor history with said pay to win games in the west.
That seems tenuous at best. That's a nice theory and all, but it hardly has the feel of convincing evidence about it.


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Well said, Zwill.

Thank you for the concessions on Super Packs that were made. Obviously, I was one helping champion for costume parts to be available through alternative means (as costume parts were 'my' only interest in the packs), but that the decision went this way isn't going to make me hate or be frustrated with all the hard work the team puts into making these game improvments possible. Thank you for all that you guys go through to make the game the ever improving product it is.


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I'm sorry Zwill but I don't belive you when you say that player feedback resulted in the ATE's being made available through gameplay....
It was the driving force behind the decision.

When I say we did X because of Y it's because we really did X because of Y. You don't get very far in the Community sphere telling mistruths and being deceptive.

"Black Pebble and marketing makes you say things!"

Community doesn't report to marketing at Paragon. We have a great working relationship with marketing, as well we should. Also, marketing isn't half as evil as one may believe. In fact, Black Pebble is about as hardcore of a player of COH as there is. I like to joke that he's one of the most non-marketing marketing people I've ever met, and I've met marketing people (I worked for EA). Truth is, he cares deeply about this game, the success of the studio and the health of the Community (I've even heard him argue for lower costs on certain items going into the Paragon Market...TRUE STORY ).

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Also, I would love it (seriously) if you could give me a good reason for allowing other people to view your collections other than selling badges under a different name. I honestly don't like to think Paragon's going there, but it's the only possible explination I've seen given and I can't think of any other.
First, we have no plans to ever sell badges.

Second: We needed a way for players to easily track what costume parts or other items they still need without having to dive into the costume creator. Collections seemed like an ideal solution since it already lends itself to categorical listings that can be referenced in a relatively quick manner.

That's about the extent of it.


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You hear that devs? Snow Globe has apparently been stalking you.?
No need to stalk. I play on three different servers on a regular basis. While one of them is Virtue, the other two do not include Freedom or Exalted.

Here's another hint: My day one server was Victory. Ok, that wasn't much of a hint. More like a statement. Meh, I've said it publicly before.

I also play on another server from time to time with Tunnel Rat and Honey Badger. Not telling you which one that is because I do not wish to feel the wrath of Tunnel Rat.

On my dev account, I lurk in multiple server global channels all the time. Just ask the people who I surprise when they're trolling me in channel .

No, I will not tell you what my personal global is, although I've received PM's from people who got tells telling me that someone thought I was them. Those poor, poor people. Nope, I'm not going to tell you my +3 Troller or +3 Scrapper's name. Nor any of my other countless alts.

Anyway, yes, I play. Maybe not as much as I would like to these days between the kids, wife and work, but I get my playtime in.


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Since no one answered it, will ask again:

What Praetorian Invasion version of Mother Mayhem?


 

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What Praetorian Invasion version of Mother Mayhem?
The one we used for last year's anniversary invasions.

Giant Monster and level-less.


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Classless and tasteless too
Mother is disappoint.


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No need to stalk. I play on three different servers on a regular basis. While one of them is Virtue, the other two do not include Freedom or Exalted.
I'm glad that I was wrong about Freedom and Exalted. On the other hand that account must be a subscriber account, so there is nothing stopping you from visiting the other servers as well.

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On my dev account, I lurk in multiple server global channels all the time. Just ask the people who I surprise when they're trolling me in channel
So, have you caught the many "Triumph is dead" comments the last few months on Triumph Watch 2.0? Or the lack of some trials being formed on that server?

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No, I will not tell you what my personal global is, although I've received PM's from people who got tells telling me that someone thought I was them. Those poor, poor people. Nope, I'm not going to tell you my +3 Troller or +3 Scrapper's name. Nor any of my other countless alts.
Heh, I've received tells asking me if I was Castle or a part of the development team. I've had to tell them that I wouldn't be as outspoken as I am if that were the case.

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Anyway, yes, I play. Maybe not as much as I would like to these days between the kids, wife and work, but I get my playtime in.
I'm glad you can still get in some playtime, even when dealing with players like myself.

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Also, marketing isn't half as evil as one may believe.
Yeah, but he presents such a tempting target. I digress. I agree the truly evil one is Ghost Falcon.

At any rate, at the end of the day, I continue to hope to make positive changes to this game.

It is incredibly frustrating:
  • To give feedback.
  • Watch said feedback come to pass.
  • Then see the same problem two or three (or more) major patches later.
  • Finally have the development team say that they don't understand why something isn't being received as they had hoped when the feedback told them why before it happened.




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It was the driving force behind the decision.

When I say we did X because of Y it's because we really did X because of Y. You don't get very far in the Community sphere telling mistruths and being deceptive.

"Black Pebble and marketing makes you say things!"

Community doesn't report to marketing at Paragon. We have a great working relationship with marketing, as well we should. Also, marketing isn't half as evil as one may believe. In fact, Black Pebble is about as hardcore of a player of COH as there is. I like to joke that he's one of the most non-marketing marketing people I've ever met, and I've met marketing people (I worked for EA). Truth is, he cares deeply about this game, the success of the studio and the health of the Community (I've even heard him argue for lower costs on certain items going into the Paragon Market...TRUE STORY ).

At the end of the day, we run a business. But we strive to run it in a way that's fair and places the needs of the Community at the forefront of our considerations.

No I don't want to listen to that Black Pebble is evil evil I tells ya, PEBBLE!!!!(picture me yelling that like Sheldon yells, WHEATON!!! in Big bang theory)


 

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... I can point at all sorts of examples where we have made adjustments or changed our initial design based on Community feedback (costumes, Incarnate Trials, Powers designs, etc, etc...) ...
I still remember fondly the crusade against team announcements of drops alongside the implementation of inventions. I was one of the folks at the spearhead of that, and I thank my lucky stars pretty much every time I'm on a steamrolling team that I don't have to look at other people's spam.

And with the introduction of so much multi-team content, thinking back and realizing Paragon initially wanted to announce every single freaking drop (inspirations, enhancements, salvage, recipes)...I shudder to think! How spammy would my damn rewards window be if up to 23 other people were telling me all those drops.
Dude A got a Keen Insight!
Dude B got an Electromagnetic Wave Bombardment!
Lady Y got an Executioner's Contract: Damage/Interrupt!
Robot Z got a Kinetic Weapon!

Oh boy, I just KNOW I needed to know all that! I bet they all really wanted to know that I just got a range SO!

Good grief. Thank you guys for listening. Really!!!


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Truth is, he cares deeply about this game, the success of the studio and the health of the Community (I've even heard him argue for lower costs on certain items going into the Paragon Market...TRUE STORY ).

At the end of the day, we run a business. But we strive to run it in a way that's fair and places the needs of the Community at the forefront of our considerations.
Just remember what Spock said: The needs of the Tenzhi outweigh the needs of the few or the one.


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The one we used for last year's anniversary invasions.

Giant Monster and level-less.
Ah ok thanks, I thought maybe it was event I had just missed or part of new content.