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Seriously? Hellion's don't get defeated by civvies in Primal Earth but the civvies from Praetoria get to beat those who will inherit the legacy of Statesman with a bit of mental mumbo jumbo from a seer and a rock.
I dunno. Have you tried standing in foot traffic in Atlas? And I've let off Inferno in the middle of a Mayhem mission before now, and those so-called 'civilians' don't even twitch. You should be glad that the Primal civilians are kind enough to leave the supers alone.


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While I totally agree with the sentiment that the civilians should do less damage than they do now; part of the reason why they hurt so much is that the 6 Telepathists combine to do like -60% def. debuff zone wide.

So no one has any defense to speak of (that is if the Telepathists are out for any period of time).

I get the mechanics of the mission. My argument is simply that the story is noisome excreta.



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Heh heh. Someone threw out "common sense" and "superhero" in the same sentence.

This is a problem that exists in comic writing as well, so why would it be any different in a game based on comic book genres?


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Can you smell what the ROCK is cooking!?!?!
OK, I laughed

Say, didn't Batman hate rock and roll?


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An increasingly popular way to run the trial (due to its simplicity and speed) is to completely ignore the telepathists. In doing so, the entire league takes out the buildings faster in Phases 3 and 4, and you end up building Public Opinion faster than it decreases, even with converted citizens and Maelstrom hanging around.
Ah, the curse of min-maxing optimalisation. After a while, every tpn bar badge-runs will be done like this.

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[The Incarnate System is] Jack Emmert all over again, only this time it's not "1 hero = 3 white minions" it's "1 hero = 3 white rocks."

 

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As I recall,this has been the plague of every game that ever had levels.

I used to play a lot of DnD...and that was before level 40. You really only had up to level 20...but the most fun content was ealier. Also because when you hit level 20 many DM's were sort of stuggling to keep things interesting, challenging, etc.

I don't think it's different.

I mean when ever you add elements that cause toons to go beyond their normal abilities something needs to be bigger and tougher.

The really wierd thing though is that people complain about original content trivialized since the incarnate system came into play, but then complain when the Devs give them something that is more powerfull than them.

Although I do get the fact that it sounds wrong that a rock takes you out. At least if something was to take you out it should generally be something epic.


 

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Although I do get the fact that it sounds wrong that a rock takes you out. At least if something was to take you out it should generally be something epic.
I ultimately look at this situation this way: Even Achilles had his heel.


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I mean when ever you add elements that cause toons to go beyond their normal abilities something needs to be bigger and tougher.
That's actually precisely what I'm saying - things don't NEED to be bigger and tougher. Things can be exactly as they were, only they can now be achieved by fewer people, instead. That's kind of the point of being godlike - you're no longer subject to the limitations you once had, so you're free to BE a god and go save the world by yourself where before you would have needed people helping you or people providing transportation for you or people telling you where to go.

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The really wierd thing though is that people complain about original content trivialized since the incarnate system came into play, but then complain when the Devs give them something that is more powerfull than them.
The catch here is it's not the same people holding both opinions. I've never had a problem with Incarnate powers trivialising old content because they SHOULD. We're supposed to be so strong that old content would be easy mode. That's how we tell we're more powerful. In terms of pure difficulty balance, yes, new content needs to balance its difficulty with our level of power, but this increased difficulty needs to be handled better than just inflating pre-Incarnate enemies with a basketball pump.

An Incarnate shouldn't have to band together with 23 other Incarnates to even have a prayer at taking on an Incarnate^10 enemy. An Incarnate should be taking on an army of the kinds of enemies he could only ever fight one at a time before. That might still be as difficult, but at least it's justifiable difficulty. "You can't be everywhere, you can't save everyone."


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Screw the rocks, it's the freaking firebombs that piss me off, since if you get hit by one going through a door, you're dead by the time the door-entering animation finishes.


 

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Ok. Which bright spark gave the civvies Up, up, down, down, left, right, left, right, B, A? Come on, own up!


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GG, I would tell you that "I am killing you with my mind", but I couldn't find an emoticon to properly express my sentiment.
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NOTE: The Incarnate System is basically farming for IOs on a larger scale, and with more obtrusive lore.

 

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Ouch... I must be slacking off on my grump if you're outdoing me so easily, Guy
I give lessons on Tuesdays. (-:


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I mean when ever you add elements that cause toons to go beyond their normal abilities something needs to be bigger and tougher.
Avatar of Hamidon = Epic win.

Businessman with a pebble = Drag us around by the nose ring, probably with a whip in hand. If I wanted cheap NPCs, I'd fight Arachnoids, and at least they put up a real fight.


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An Incarnate shouldn't have to band together with 23 other Incarnates to even have a prayer at taking on a businessman with a pebble.
Fixt!

For reals, that's a level 54 +2 pebble we're taking to the cranium. The civilians don't need our help rising against Cole, so why in the world are we even there?


 

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I ultimately look at this situation this way: Even Achilles had his heel.

It took a marksman with an arrow to nail him, not some numpty with a lump of gravel.

It seems to me that Paragon Studios and Matt Miller have really begun to lose the plot with the whole Incarnate thing.

The Power Trees are brilliant but the content leaves a helluva lot to be desired and isn't even enjoyable. It needs to be endured rather than experienced.



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The very best of Primal Earth, laid low with a stone. It's like David & Goliath in reverse, where we are the bad guys.
Well, technically we are the bad guys in the eyes of the praetorians....

/cue GG's entrance


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It took a marksman with an arrow to nail him, not some numpty with a lump of gravel.
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Ok. Which bright spark gave the civvies Up, up, down, down, left, right, left, right, B, A? Come on, own up!
Sorry, my bad.


 

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Have we finally found Black Pebble's in-game namesake?


 

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You, sir, just won the interwebs XD


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GG, I would tell you that "I am killing you with my mind", but I couldn't find an emoticon to properly express my sentiment.
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NOTE: The Incarnate System is basically farming for IOs on a larger scale, and with more obtrusive lore.

 

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It took a marksman with an arrow to nail him, not some numpty with a lump of gravel.
Maybe they're hitting us in the knee...?


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GG, I would tell you that "I am killing you with my mind", but I couldn't find an emoticon to properly express my sentiment.
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NOTE: The Incarnate System is basically farming for IOs on a larger scale, and with more obtrusive lore.

 

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You made me snort my iced tea with laughter.... ow ow ow. Thanks, I needed a laugh after this debacle of a trial.


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Maybe they're hitting us in the knee...?

They're hitting us in the Achilles knee?


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Brilliance!!! Win!!!

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They're hitting us in the Achilles knee?
Maybe it's an extreme case of tenderkneetis?



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I get the mechanics of the mission. My argument is simply that the story is noisome excreta.
Oh....I don't follow the story (so to me... "lulzstory" amirite? )


You can just explain it away that Cole (Tyrant) is just a vessel of the Well's power...he's giving it to his Lts. and the Lts. are giving it to civilians now...

Or you could say that because they're civilians and you being a "hero"..you can't hurt them and don't want to so therefore the damage that they do to you is worse because they're civilians and are just confused (which they are!).


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They should have just given the civilians energy blast powers when they turned. Then you would all accept it as them gaining powers due to the psychic doo-dads, instead of freaking out over rocks.


 

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It's yet another case of having computer-geeks instead of writer-geeks in charge of the game. It's the bane of the industry - every armchair Tolkein that can write a line of code ends up in charge of a game, even though they have no sense of story, plot or drama. It's the reason you get 2000 jrpgs with the same plot of "16 year old boy save the world from evil overlord" and 2000 FPS's with the plot of "Badarse macho man kills every mother@#$%^er in the room"

If people think the writing in Hollywood is treated as secondary to every other concern, they should see the video game industry, where it's essentially non-existant.