Gender Equality in Costumes - A lack thereof

The art team should just run all the concept art by us first and let us vote on our favorites. That way we can provide feedback about the direction we'd like the packs to take. Of course, I'll have a moon base with that pipe-dream too.

I was rerading the whole thread but when i got to page 19 i realised that it was up to 27 pages, so I just skipped ahead. Apologies if this has been said before:

If time etc is such a squeezed resource that they can't go back to the Gunslinger pack or whatever, and we're going to have to accept whatever they've got planned for the next 6 months cos they're locked into it and they cant input our feedback until then, maybe they should focus on much smaller costume sets. Like just make 3 actual gunslingers, one for male, one for huge and one for female. Then they can do a 'wild west gambler' set, with another three variants. Then a 'saloon' set, with the stripper, the bartender, and, I don't know, a huge bouncer.

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Originally Posted by Samuel_Tow [The Incarnate System is] Jack Emmert all over again, only this time it's not "1 hero = 3 white minions" it's "1 hero = 3 white rocks."

Well, while i don't mind the skimpy costumes, i do think the costumes should reflect the theme of the pack.

Gunslinger was epic fail in that aspect. Wouldn't have minded so much if they'd called it "wild west" or something instead.

For the knight pack, i do hope we get some proper armor, but i also hope they add a skimpy chainmail bikini as well, just for ***** and giggles.

Yeah most of this could have been solved with a name change.

Calling it Gunslinger was...yeah...that was a bad idea.

Calling it something like "Wild West Saloon" would have probably been better.

Or as mentioned better yet create two Wild West packs a "Gunslinger" one and a "Saloon" one, I'd have bought both.

I like the pack a lot. The pieces are very well done, and I will use them. Pre-tinting doesn't bother me too much though I understand why it does for a lot of people. (The belt/sash/bow thing for females for example, winds up being tri-colored because of tinting, it would be limited to two colors without.)

It's not a gunslinger pack for females. That's the fail, and also the unspoken "guys can be heroic, girls can be sexy/work in the sex trade" message, however unintended. Maybe they should have done a gunslinger pack and then a saloon pack. More money for them doing that anyway.

But the costume pieces themselves are very nice. All these posts about "they need to take their time" and "more quality, less quantity" don't really make sense to me because I haven't had any issues with the quality of the recent costumes, and in fact most people want more quantity -- as in, more rugged/non-sexy female options or porting some of the male options to female, etc.

But yeah, bustle skirt listed under "gunslinger". >.> Like I said, a gunslinger pack with gunslinger outfit for both genders, and a saloon pack with gambler/saloon outfits for each gender, and no one would have complained.

Zwillinger,

I would like to point out that despite my complaints about this costume set, I really did like the female costume items included in it. My complaints relate far more to an overall costume issue than to this pack specifically. It's just that this pack created a good time to talk about that issue. I love the details and textures used in the items in this pack, and thought that the overall design was really nice; it looked like a lot of extra work went into this costume set, and I feel bad if I didn't get that across initially. As a professional creative, I understand that it can be terrible to create something and then have such a harsh response from the people you made it for; I'm sure that was hard for your designer.

I just want to make clear that I agree with other community members that overall, women's outfits trend too much toward fanservice. It isn't that women's items can never be sexy, or that they should be exactly the same as the men's items, or that they should be less original, just that they shouldn't always be fanservice.

This thread is titled “Gender Equality”, but ninety percent of the comments are doing the exact opposite.

It runs both ways people, I mean seriously. Outside of the random people saying the men should have access the corsets and skirts being thrown about, I’ve yet to hear anything on the reverse side. I’m of the opinion that there’s already a lack of individuality given to the costumes of male toons to begin with. The useable pieces are pretty far and between (take the hair options for an example), and there are only so many times you can use the tank top and t-shirt. If your character isn’t in a niche type of scenario, you have to work extra hard just to get out of the t-shirt and pants realm (It’s almost like outside of tights, your male hero has a choice between t-shirts and suits….awesome). Speaking of which, I was slightly offended when someone mentioned a wardrobe consisting of a few pairs of pants and some shirts….

Do I want my men to be wearing skirts and bras? No. Heck, I don’t even want to see the women wearing some of the scandalous things they do (or get with the “Gunslinger” pack.) What I want is true equality, not in the style of what they’re wearing. Because, honestly there are some things that work on one model that won’t work on another one. I would at least like a bit of equality with the amount of pieces given. If it’s gender neutral and easily ported, do it (this goes both ways) But, don’t lose sight of individuality.

There’s probably more, but I’m at work and my mind is jumbled. I’m just not a fan of arguments without counterpoints. And I’m not a fan of rants without a counter argument to create an actual discussion….