Gender Equality in Costumes - A lack thereof

Eh, not seen Jonah Hex, but Miss Fox isn't what I'd call 'star' level material...
As for her role in Bayformers...eugh...

I just think she does women in general a disservice. Mind you, I'd say the same for the majority of female celebrities.

Originally Posted by Zwillinger GG, I would tell you that "I am killing you with my mind", but I couldn't find an emoticon to properly express my sentiment.

Originally Posted by Captain_Photon NOTE: The Incarnate System is basically farming for IOs on a larger scale, and with more obtrusive lore.

I wouldn't know what you are talking about:

Triumph: White Succubus: 50 Ill/Emp/PF Snow Globe: 50 Ice/FF/Ice Strobe: 50 PB Shi Otomi: 50 Ninja/Ninjistu/GW Stalker My other characters

She's no Catherine Zeta-Jones, that's for dang sure:

The default set I'm seeing in the editor isn't anything like beachwear

Does anyone have a fact check on tap? What is this picture from? Something here just doesn't look right--especially with an ordinary Sue Storm waving in the background. And the art doesn't look anything like "these days", coming from a modern-day comic book reader. (In other words, I strongly suspect a misrepresentation for the sake of your argument, here.)

It is TRULY noble of you to come to the poor ladies defense, True Gentlemen; but I'm betting we'll see more and not fewer revealing choices as that parity continues to improve.

The Victorians would have scoffed at you

Originally Posted by Zwillinger GG, I would tell you that "I am killing you with my mind", but I couldn't find an emoticon to properly express my sentiment.

Originally Posted by Captain_Photon NOTE: The Incarnate System is basically farming for IOs on a larger scale, and with more obtrusive lore.

Just out of interest, can you (more or less) cut and paste from Male to Huge? Or is making the same piece for Male and Huge bodies about the same work as making the same piece for Male and Female?

A female jacket of the same genre of a male jacket can't be unique? It can't have fringe? Or an upturned collar? Or three quarter's length sleeves? Or a raglan shoulder? Or Western clavicle panels? Or have elbow or shoulder patches? Or be sueded? Or be a waistcoat? Or be a duster? Or a (less revealing) embroidered bolero?

I reject this notion of 'uniqueness', especially when it's corsets over and over again. (At this point, you could have made just one generic corset and produced different overlays for it.) Here's a vision of 'uniqueness': A fully covered gunslinger female, while the male model gets a bare chest with bandoleers. That would satisfy your vision of uniqueness, no? Probably not. And we all know why.

I also reject this false dilemma of either exactly the same or extreme gender differentiation.

I hope the art team finds the middle way.



Thank-you!

Same thing goes for male >>> huge. Each "port" is in all actuality a new costume piece from the ground up.

Well, some artist thought it was a good idea, and someone higher up approved it (much like what happened with this "Old West harlot" costume), but fortunately, the fans' negative reactions were taken into account, and it was revised (as we're hoping will happen here).

^ Agreed

Originally Posted by Zwillinger GG, I would tell you that "I am killing you with my mind", but I couldn't find an emoticon to properly express my sentiment.

Originally Posted by Captain_Photon NOTE: The Incarnate System is basically farming for IOs on a larger scale, and with more obtrusive lore.

Yes!

A few of you have latched on to one aspect of my post, but if you read my whole post, I'm arguing more than anything for CHOICES, OPTIONS, UNMATCHED CUSTOMIZATION. Which is something that has always made City of X great. Let's have more of that!

So, how come the Female costumes always seem to be the ones chosen to add variety and Male and Huge get the same pieces as each other? Why not have Female and Male get the same and Huge get something different. Or Female and Huge get the same and Male get something different? Or all three bodies get something different from each other? Since its all about the same amount of work?

If that's the case, then the disparity is an even worse state for the game. You mean to say that the work is done for Male, and Huge, but no-one bothers for Female and they just do their own 'unique' set for them?

How about doing an actual "Gunslinger" Female set, then adding that to the set.

Pull the "Showgirl" look, and do a "That's the Ticket!" set, which features Showgirl and 'Showguy' sets for Male and Huge.

And then do that as costume sets from now on. So that we can actually pick sets A la Carte from the store -like was promised-. Stop deciding for us what can be on the menu for a gender.

The art team's work flow needs to be reviewed then. There are all sorts of tricks and transformations that would allow at least for subgrouping assets that can be cut, pasted and resized. Some elements will of course need to be redrafted. But geometry points can be modified and regrouped in many industry standard software packages, whether you are working for cinematic animation, games or manufacturing.

Speculating from an outside but not entirely inexperienced vantage, going from male to huge should in most cases only take 50% of the time it took to make the original.

Workflow and file structure are pretty key for this stuff.

Comments like this have me wondering how old working files of assets are archived and what multi-artist project standards if any are being employed. In theory, your assets should be well managed and structured enough that two years after his leaving, any new artist could crack open one of Jay's old 3d files and within 15 minutes have a good handle on the build of the object and how to edit or modify it efficiently.

There are some gender specific pieces that could be copied and pasted to anther model.

I have to agree. Just what is the feedback thread FOR, then?

Gauging how much they need to apologise.

As far as I'm concerned, there hasn't been an actual Transformers anything since the '86 movie.


Although the giant robot thing Michael Bay did was not bad at times.

But it isn't the whole communities request. Something to remember.

That's cool. It's not that i think any of the pieces are bad in themselves, but i really do wonder about the decision to call it a gunslinger set and give one of the three genders pieces that have nothing to do with what a gunslinger would wear. The saloon girl pieces are pretty nice, and a bartender/saloon worker shirt for the two male pieces would complement it nicely. Maybe a Gunslinger 2 pack where females get, well, gunslinging themed pieces and males get saloon worker pieces?
The CoT pieces are pretty unique in their visual interest and they also take colour well. This may be inaccurate, but i would describe most of the pretinted pieces as being more precoloured with the ability to add some tinting to the preset colours.

i'm still a little puzzled by the random addition of miniature cattle skulls and/or horns to some of the pieces, especially the pistols. i like the gun/knife combo, and they have been made and used in the past, but the skulls on the gloves and horns on the guns seem almost like there was a mandate from someone in higher management to make sure there were some cattle skulls and horns in the set because it's totally Western Gunslinger to have them and the artists decided to just stick them on there to get it out of the way. Still, it does make designing a holster for the pistols more challenging with the horns. Which i guess is moot anyway since there aren't any holsters.

For all that i may have complaints about some of what was or wasn't done for the set the individual pieces are quite nicely made.

Another set with female gunslinger pieces, male saloon worker/gambler pieces, and maybe some Native American pieces would be nice for a future pack. Just a thought.

It was a decent romp-stomp, leave your brain at home, adrenaline fuelled action-fest that I didn't mind watching.

It wasn't Transformers, though, I know that much.

Originally Posted by Zwillinger GG, I would tell you that "I am killing you with my mind", but I couldn't find an emoticon to properly express my sentiment.

Originally Posted by Captain_Photon NOTE: The Incarnate System is basically farming for IOs on a larger scale, and with more obtrusive lore.

There are female members of the Paragon Police Force. I've seen a few, at least one while she was having her purse stolen by a Hellion.

I think they need to come out with an Amazonian MM set once Titan Weapons and Staff Melee are out. Teir 1 uses staves, Teir 2 uses Sword and Shield, and Teir 3 uses a Titan Weapon. Make 'em big, buff, and awesome. But first, Animal MMs.