Gender Equality in Costumes - A lack thereof
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Posted on: 2011-11-29 06:36 in CoH and CoV General Discussions
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The Malta/KoA thing is still the boys telling the girls to get their own tree-house.
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| Being that I used to know some female g-bangers; I wouldn't mind seeing female minions (for Skulls and Hellions); wasn't too impressed by the 'girlfriend from hell'. |
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Do people still wear that sort of stuff on the beech in Britain? |
Originally Posted by Techbot Alpha
Pfft, only in some ways...Looking at the way Britain is now, I sometimes find it hard to tell the difference...
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Choices are GOOD. But for the sake of balance, bear in mind, most of the female players I know or have met in-game over the past two years (I mean provably female, owing to social networking, Vent or phone chats) have ALL preferred more skin, not less. Did they complain about male bias whenever new sets were released? Yes, of course. Yet, did they proceed to dress their characters like the sexified super heroines they enjoy playing? Yes. |
Originally Posted by Techbot Alpha
Well, thank god then that not every guy is the kind of shallow reject of society that you just described then. I'm a guy, and I'd rather see diversity and choice.
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While that may sound like a double standard, there is a difference between women hating being objectified and enjoying looking sexeh.
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Did they have any other new options?
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Originally Posted by Captain-Electric
Did they complain about male bias whenever new sets were released? Yes, of course. Yet, did they proceed to dress their characters like the sexified super heroines they enjoy playing? Yes.
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Longbow, Wyvern and the Paragon Police Department commit crime?|
Originally Posted by Golden Girl
Maybe boys are just more violent and likely to commit crimes?
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Wait. Let me start over:
The Paragon Police Department commit crime?
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Are you saying that you guys couldn't just go back and remove the pretinting from the sets? You already have the texture layouts. It's not like you'd be creating a whole new costume piece.
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Originally Posted by Zwillinger
Moving forward, we'll be offering both a pretinted and untinted option for all pieces which we choose to make pretinted.
Thanks -Z |
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Longbow and the PPD both have female members |
Originally Posted by Slaunyeh
Longbow, Wyvern and the Paragon Police Department commit crime?
Wait. Let me start over: The Paragon Police Department commit crime? |
@Golden Girl
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Longbow actually have gender parity though.|
Originally Posted by Slaunyeh
Longbow, Wyvern and the Paragon Police Department commit crime?
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See, this is because they are the designated good guys. You know they are because they treat their female member the same as their male members. Now Arachnos on the other hand, they don't want girls unless they're psychic.
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And they commit crime.
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Originally Posted by Golden Girl
Longbow and the PPD both have female members
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Originally Posted by Techbot Alpha
Wow, I posted on the CoH Facebook post about the fact that 'Gunslinger' kit is only available on male/huge, and that women get the saloon girl kit. Included a link to this thread, nothing rude or offensive just a statement of facts.
A few minutes later the post is gone. /golfclap Lying is BAD, marketing team! I shouldn't be doing your job for you and telling potential paying customers what they are actually buying and not getting! |
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Originally Posted by Techbot Alpha
Yup, it's official. Second post just got deleted off the Facebook post. Censorship is alive and kicking in Paragon! Woo!
Nice job guys! Y'know what, I think I'm done. My last 6 month sub hit this month, so, come next year? Well, I'll see when it gets to it. But I think you can kiss any more money from me goodbye. I think I'm through. |
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That's... disturbing.
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Originally Posted by Techbot Alpha
Wow, I posted on the CoH Facebook post about the fact that 'Gunslinger' kit is only available on male/huge, and that women get the saloon girl kit. Included a link to this thread, nothing rude or offensive just a statement of facts.
A few minutes later the post is gone. /golfclap Lying is BAD, marketing team! I shouldn't be doing your job for you and telling potential paying customers what they are actually buying and not getting! |
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Longbow has lots of female members, and happily commit crime left and right. I can't recall fighting a single female PPD officer and I've yet to see them break the law.|
Originally Posted by Golden Girl
Longbow and the PPD both have female members
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Makes you think!
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Why not? It's a tree country.
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Originally Posted by Golden Girl
Do people still wear that sort of stuff on the beech in Britain?
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Recluse actually got a lot more lenient with that rule in Issue 12. Although, seeing Huge guys in Fortunata armor...
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Originally Posted by Eva Destruction
Now Arachnos on the other hand, they don't want girls unless they're psychic.
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How is trying to help other players "being a nuisance"?
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Originally Posted by Bosstone
Dude, there's feedback, there's complaints, and then there's just being a nuisance. You definitely crossed over into that last.
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True. And, if you look at the OP and suchnot I and others are not saying 'OMG it's evil REMOVE IT!!!!1'|
Originally Posted by Captain-Electric
Choices are GOOD. But for the sake of balance, bear in mind, most of the female players I know or have met in-game over the past two years (I mean provably female, owing to social networking, Vent or phone chats) have ALL preferred more skin, not less. Did they complain about male bias whenever new sets were released? Yes, of course. Yet, did they proceed to dress their characters like the sexified super heroines they enjoy playing? Yes.
While that may sound like a double standard, there is a difference between women hating being objectified and enjoying looking sexeh. |
What IS the issue is "Ok, so, wheres the female Gunslinger outfit? Hat? Boots and jacket? Oh...we don't get one....right..."
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Originally Posted by Zwillinger
GG, I would tell you that "I am killing you with my mind", but I couldn't find an emoticon to properly express my sentiment.
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Originally Posted by Captain_Photon
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I think you're overreacting. The Facebook page is basically a marketing outlet, not a place to exercise your right to free assembly. Its not a wiki.
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Originally Posted by Techbot Alpha
Yup, it's official. Second post just got deleted off the Facebook post. Censorship is alive and kicking in Paragon! Woo!
Nice job guys! Y'know what, I think I'm done. My last 6 month sub hit this month, so, come next year? Well, I'll see when it gets to it. But I think you can kiss any more money from me goodbye. I think I'm through. |
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What can I say, I find marketings purposefully vague blurb that omits the fact that all the 'Gunslinger' stuff is actually male only to be objectionable. I thought it was polite to let people know without spamming rude things on the FB. But hey-oh, it's gone now. C'est la vie.
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Originally Posted by Bosstone
Dude, there's feedback, there's complaints, and then there's just being a nuisance. You definitely crossed over into that last.
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Originally Posted by Zwillinger
GG, I would tell you that "I am killing you with my mind", but I couldn't find an emoticon to properly express my sentiment.
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Originally Posted by Captain_Photon
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A perfectly reasonable question. My answer is, I don't know how they feel/felt about that, because I didn't ask. I mean, how would you have expected me to ask? |
Originally Posted by Eva Destruction
Did they have any other new options?
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"Do you like my costume, Cap?"
"Yeah! So, would you look QUITE SO NAKED with more costume options?"
Wouldn't go over well.
Anyway, it would actually be nice to have more female feedback, because a different kind of male bias permeates this thread, and it's as out of tune with reality as any.
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Meh. I mostly find it quite funny, t'be honest. If I'd been rude or nasty then I would have understood. But hey-oh.
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Originally Posted by Arcanaville
I think you're overreacting. The Facebook page is basically a marketing outlet, not a place to exercise your right to free assembly. Its not a wiki.
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Originally Posted by Zwillinger
GG, I would tell you that "I am killing you with my mind", but I couldn't find an emoticon to properly express my sentiment.
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Originally Posted by Captain_Photon
NOTE: The Incarnate System is basically farming for IOs on a larger scale, and with more obtrusive lore.
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Originally Posted by Slaunyeh
Longbow, Wyvern and the Paragon Police Department commit crime?
Wait. Let me start over: The Paragon Police Department commit crime? |
Hate to do it, but after where the last debate about this ended up we might as well skip to the punch:
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.ph...pendableGender
See especially bullet points beginning in paragraph 4.
[At least it is good that this time this is being debated within a modern genre and not the fantasy one. I've occasionally seen outraged Civilization players angry that their armies aren't mixed-gender. Think on that one for a second.]
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The Rogue PPD are all male, and the majority of the Longbow ones who become vigilantes are men |
Originally Posted by Chyll
And they commit crime.
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Yes, poor victimized men... victimized by women wanting new costume options that aren't overtly sexualized!
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Originally Posted by Oedipus_Tex
Hate to do it, but after where the last debate about this ended up we might as well skip to the punch:
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.ph...pendableGender See especially bullet points beginning in paragraph 4. |
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Not unless you're reading too much into it.|
Originally Posted by Captain-Electric
Anyway, it would actually be nice to have more female feedback, because a different kind of male bias permeates this thread, and it's as out of tune with reality as any.
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Hell, I wouldn't have a partner if I didn't dig the ladies
But certain costumes just don't fit all characters. I have at least two who would have made use of the Showgirl outfit pieces.
I also had a concept for a DP/Poison Corruptor who dressed like a Gunslinger that I had hoped the 'Gunslinger' set would have had parts for. Chaps, belt, hoslters, maybe a new hat.
But nada.
Just as some female characters prefer spandex, tights or revealing clothes, some prefer armour, tough outfits and full cover. HOWEVER, only one of them is getting any parts as of late.
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Originally Posted by Zwillinger
GG, I would tell you that "I am killing you with my mind", but I couldn't find an emoticon to properly express my sentiment.
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Originally Posted by Captain_Photon
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What do guys like seeing? Scantily dressed women. Does it really matter it Sister Psy, or that female toon over there is sexy? They can still kick ***. If anything, I find states codpiece and lycra more offensive than a sexy female suit.
And you know that no one is making the female toons dress sexy. Sure, the packs do have sexy bits..but no one is FORCED to dress like that. Sounds to me like the female players who have a very skimpy costume, then proceed to blow up and get all offended if you say they look nice.
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