Regarding not all the dead rising to become zombies... Well, they weren't all infected with whatever causes zmbification. If one dies of natural (or natural unnatural causes) there is no reason for them to become zombies. This also explains why they're not clawing themselves out of graves... (Well this and the fact of how near to impossible that is.)
On the topic of the church bells and zombie intelligence... I think Pavlov kind of explains this. If a dog can learn to salivate at the sound of a dinner bell, a zombie can learn to ignore a dinner bell that rings when there is never any dinner.
But this episode does seem to suggest more than brainless activity besides this. The zombie that entered the RV had no real reason to do so except for curiosity. Or, perhaps, some memory that it wasn't there last time it passed, if the heard is on a repeating grazing area?
As for the kid getting shot, I hope they don't go too deeply religious or philosophical. I suppose some mention of the fact he asked Jesus a favor and (assuming here) gets it by finding the girl but that it comes with such a high price... But I really hope the show doesn't start dwelling on such.
But the boy being shot will also give the girl's mother (sorry, I suck at names) more mental anguish to deal with, whether her daughter is found or not. She blamed the Sheriff, he continued the search because of that, he put his own son in danger and that danger was realized... That woman just cannot catch a break,
I'd have had no problem with the blond putting the gun back together and shooting the zombie to save her life. Sure, it probably would have made the other zombies turn around but who would so easily sacrifice themselves for others? It would not be an easy thing to do. Specially since the others would still have a chance to flee...
Which brings us to how far away the zombies were the next day. 3 miles per hour is a decent walking speed. Let's put the zombies at a slow as sin 1 mile per hour... I think the last zombie of the herd probably passed by them by about 4pm. They searched for the girl a long time before night started falling so I think 4 is a conservative estimate. As I recall it was starting to move on in the day the next day, probably not AS late in the day but close wouldn't be far off since they considered the walk back while saying the day was getting late... So the heard had passed, give or take, 24 hours previously thus could be able 24 miles away - assuming they walk in a straight line.
Sure, they do stuff other than walk, at least on occasion. We've seen them "rest" before, or congregate aimlessly... But even if that shortened how far away they were they STILL had the return journey to make...
So yeah, at that point I see little wrong with considering shooting yourself some dinner. Yes, they did just resupply from the cars but this is a chance for fresh meat... Not something they can count on regularly.
As for the big whispered secret... Worst thing I can think of is if the scientist told him the virus was still mutating, that it's likely to become airborn. That would all but be a death sentence for the planet.
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I honestly don't think they'll get too religious/philosophical about it. I'm still guessing what we'll find out is that someone was hunting the deer and shot at it from a long distance away. From the angle we saw it basically looked like Carl was at the uniquely bad position of being directly opposite from where the shooter was. The idea that the shooter would have, on purpose, wanted to hit both the deer and the boy at the same time seems fairly unlikely all things considered. I'm almost sure we'll find out the shooter had no clue the boy was even there.|
Originally Posted by Caemgen
As for the kid getting shot, I hope they don't go too deeply religious or philosophical. I suppose some mention of the fact he asked Jesus a favor and (assuming here) gets it by finding the girl but that it comes with such a high price... But I really hope the show doesn't start dwelling on such.
But the boy being shot will also give the girl's mother (sorry, I suck at names) more mental anguish to deal with, whether her daughter is found or not. She blamed the Sheriff, he continued the search because of that, he put his own son in danger and that danger was realized... That woman just cannot catch a break. |
I don't think Rick is going to be shaking his fist up to the sky and shouting to God, "Was my boy getting shot my sign?!?". I still believe this will lead toward finding Sophia and ultimately be a pivotal moment, but it's not going to be an obvious one like a Burning Bush.
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Originally Posted by Lothic
Sure it might be a bit cliche for there to be a couple of wife-beater/racists in a random group from Georgia like this but it's hardly "every white guy on the show" and it's hardly a major part of the show regardless. If that's all you got from the first season of the show then I think you focused on something that wasn't really there.
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Originally Posted by Caemgen
On the topic of the church bells and zombie intelligence... I think Pavlov kind of explains this. If a dog can learn to salivate at the sound of a dinner bell, a zombie can learn to ignore a dinner bell that rings when there is never any dinner.
But this episode does seem to suggest more than brainless activity besides this. The zombie that entered the RV had no real reason to do so except for curiosity. Or, perhaps, some memory that it wasn't there last time it passed, if the heard is on a repeating grazing area? |
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Originally Posted by Caemgen
I'd have had no problem with the blond putting the gun back together and shooting the zombie to save her life. Sure, it probably would have made the other zombies turn around but who would so easily sacrifice themselves for others? It would not be an easy thing to do. Specially since the others would still have a chance to flee...
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So would eating a zombie make you a zombie? You are fighting off a horde of zombies and some zombie blood gets into your throat. Classic zombie creation method is injecting the zombie virus into a victim's blood through biting. Swallowing zombie fluid would have the zombie virus go through an oral delivery system. Not all drugs can be taken orally so the zombie virus might not work orally either.
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So would eating a zombie make you a zombie? You are fighting off a horde of zombies and some zombie blood gets into your throat. Classic zombie creation method is injecting the zombie virus into a victim's blood through biting. Swallowing zombie fluid would have the zombie virus go through an oral delivery system. Not all drugs can be taken orally so the zombie virus might not work orally either.
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Originally Posted by Furio
What jarred me, oddly enough, was the Catholic crucifix in the Southern Baptist church. I get why they did it (visual focal point for the praying scenes, and a lil "hey look, zombie Jesus *nudge nudge*"), but still...I've never heard of a Protestant denomination displaying the cross with Christ still on it.
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The church scene was pretty chilling, especially in light of the verse on the sign outside.
Revelation 16:17 'The seventh angel poured out his bowl into the air, and out of the temple came a loud voice from the throne, saying, "It is done!"'
Also, nice choice of music for the end-credits teaser. I would have gone with The Man Comes Around, but apparently that was used in the opening credits of the Dawn of the Dead remake.
EDIT: Or better yet, Ain't No Grave.
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Originally Posted by starphoenix
So would eating a zombie make you a zombie? You are fighting off a horde of zombies and some zombie blood gets into your throat. Classic zombie creation method is injecting the zombie virus into a victim's blood through biting. Swallowing zombie fluid would have the zombie virus go through an oral delivery system. Not all drugs can be taken orally so the zombie virus might not work orally either.
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I was really MORE concerned with how many zombies were going to run into the vehicle since she was screaming at the top of her lungs.
And also, her peripheal vision sucks.
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Originally Posted by Demobot
The church scene was pretty chilling, especially in light of the verse on the sign outside.
Revelation 16:17 'The seventh angel poured out his bowl into the air, and out of the temple came a loud voice from the throne, saying, "It is done!"' Also, nice choice of music for the end-credits teaser. I would have gone with The Man Comes Around, but apparently that was used in the opening credits of the Dawn of the Dead remake. EDIT: Or better yet, Ain't No Grave. |
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Really, in such a zombie invasion everyone left alive should be wearing long sleeves and pants, as well as protective goggles and something covering their mouth. You would wnat to protect from bites as much as possible as well a the transmission of fluids...
However, having all your characters running around in hazmat suits, or even a poor mans version of one, does not neccessarily make for the best TV.
I give a pass to a certain level of not worrying about blood splatter in eyes or mouth and such on this basis.
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At this point, the thread should be considered spoiler-full, even thought I can't change the title.
 REDUNDANT SPOILER ALERT: So, since I doubt we'll find Sophia in a non-dead or zombified state, they essentially wiped out both kids in the premiere! Yes, I know Carl will make it (for some amount of time, anyway), but still... DAMN. Great opener though, and the helicopters in the "upcoming scenes" make me thing some kind of civilization survived somewhere in North America. Also, can someone refresh my memory, how did Dale "take away" Andrea's decision? Was she going to stay in the CDC and he said he wouldn't leave without her or something? My memory is fuzzy on that. I do disagree with keeping her gun from her. As long as she's not a threat to the group, she entitled to a weapon (especially her OWN damn gun!) In fact, I was wondering why everyone wasn't armed as they scavenged the traffic pile-up. Except in the case of a huge zombie herd, it would have be much safer. |
Basically at the end of season one when Andrea wanted to die at the CDC and Dale decided to stay with her....he made the commment about how it wasnt right that she and her sister came into his life and that they were the only 2 people he gave a "care" about (after losing his wife to cancer he became imbittered to the world) so he was going to stay too. I think Andrea feels that it wasnt fair on Dales part because she had just lost her sister and no longer wanted to live. That is also why Dale probably wouldnt let her have her gun in the season 2 opener as well, as he was afraid that she would "eat" a bullet.....
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Originally Posted by Lothic
I'm aware enough of the comics this show was based on to know that the plot of this show is so far "fairly similar" to what took place in the comics. That's exactly why I'm avoiding them for the time being so that I don't get spoiled too much.
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Actually the show and comic are not all that similar.....yes the show is based on the comic, however Kirkman has stated that the comic is not to be considered canon for the show. Besides what would be the point of watching a show that is panel for panel out of a comic? People would lose interest and the show would no longer be aired.......
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Originally Posted by Caemgen
Really, in such a zombie invasion everyone left alive should be wearing long sleeves and pants, as well as protective goggles and something covering their mouth. You would wnat to protect from bites as much as possible as well a the transmission of fluids...
However, having all your characters running around in hazmat suits, or even a poor mans version of one, does not neccessarily make for the best TV. |
Tough clothes is a good idea though, leathers especially. Last a long time and not easy to bite through.
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Originally Posted by Sevenpenny
Actually the show and comic are not all that similar.....yes the show is based on the comic, however Kirkman has stated that the comic is not to be considered canon for the show. Besides what would be the point of watching a show that is panel for panel out of a comic? People would lose interest and the show would no longer be aired.......
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Anyway like I've said I have not read the comic. Sure a TV show that was "panel for panel" identical to a comic might be boring to the relatively few people who've read it already. But trust me when I say there are far more people out there like me who have not read the comic yet and are experiencing this story for the first time via the TV show. I'm not saying this show should or must be "panel for panel" identical to the comic - I'm just saying there are a lot of people out there who wouldn't know the difference if it was.
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Originally Posted by Caemgen
Really, in such a zombie invasion everyone left alive should be wearing long sleeves and pants, as well as protective goggles and something covering their mouth. You would wnat to protect from bites as much as possible as well a the transmission of fluids...
However, having all your characters running around in hazmat suits, or even a poor mans version of one, does not neccessarily make for the best TV. I give a pass to a certain level of not worrying about blood splatter in eyes or mouth and such on this basis. |
Fanservice beat me to the the reponse about protective suits/goggles etc. Anyone here in the military knows about mandatory NBC training (chemical gear/protective mask); we used to try and make it not so tedious by doing an hour at a time geared up but playing sports. You realize how quickly you can overheat, masks fogging etc to know its not an easy deal.
Gotta be safe, but I cant imagine running from zombies in Georgia (105 degrees easily?) with anything more than a couple of layers of anything, but I probably would.
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Originally Posted by CrazyJerseyan
Agreed and hollywood is hollywood...I was just saying the screaming and zombie fluids just seemed to jump out at me
Fanservice beat me to the the reponse about protective suits/goggles etc. Anyone here in the military knows about mandatory NBC training (chemical gear/protective mask); we used to try and make it not so tedious by doing an hour at a time geared up but playing sports. You realize how quickly you can overheat, masks fogging etc to know its not an easy deal. Gotta be safe, but I cant imagine running from zombies in Georgia (105 degrees easily?) with anything more than a couple of layers of anything, but I probably would. |
I'd rather just use a bit of "Hollywood suspension of disbelief" and just assume the Zombie virus in this show is not spread just by getting zombie blood on exposed skin.
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This is leading me to believe that the zombies in this show are not 100% mindless and may have a tiny bit of "instinct" leftover from when they were alive. For instance the zombies in the church may have been super devout people when they were alive and went to that church often. So once they became zombies they may still go through the motions of sitting in church because the surroundings were so familiar to them when they were alive.|
Originally Posted by CrazyJerseyan
Agreed, but overall the chilling part for me was that it looked like the main zombie was grinning/smiling right up until he got his head smacked. Dude was probably sitting in church during a sermon grinning like a maniac before the zombapocalypse I suppose...crazy church people
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I guess we'll see if that kind of thing gets established in the show.
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I would liken it less as to instinct and more along the lines of muscle memory. Though you could probably make 'em somewhat synonomous (sic) with each other.
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Originally Posted by Lothic
This is leading me to believe that the zombies in this show are not 100% mindless and may have a tiny bit of "instinct" leftover from when they were alive. For instance the zombies in the church may have been super devout people when they were alive and went to that church often. So once they became zombies they may still go through the motions of sitting in church because the surroundings were so familiar to them when they were alive.
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Yeah, my post was a slight counterpoint of Caemgen's thought about it being feasible for survivors to wear protective suits and goggles. I think you and I are saying the same thing even though you don't need any real training to wear an NBC suit...its as simple as putting on extra large sweats.|
Originally Posted by Lothic
Of course there's the other point that most of these people are straightforward civilians who've probably never had NBC and/or hazmat training. Rick and Shane (as law enforcement officers) -might- have had that kind of training. But they don't have any of that kind of equipment to use regardless.
I'd rather just use a bit of "Hollywood suspension of disbelief" and just assume the Zombie virus in this show is not spread just by getting zombie blood on exposed skin. |
We know zombie fluids dont infect with exposure to the skin...reference the episode where they had zombie intestines hanging around their necks etc.
In my original post, I said the concern was zombie fluid landing in my mouth and eyes while stabbing the face off of one six inches away.
Real world concerns VS Hollywood imagination I suppose...
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The Walking Dead zombie plague is odd. Although they postulated that it was a virus or bacteria at the end of last season, it doesn't seem very much like one. No infection is going to reanimate completely dead bodies like this one does.
I haven't read the comic books, but I've heard that they eventually explain the plague as something supernatural. So I wouldn't expect it to follow the infected zombie rules.
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Originally Posted by RemusShepherd
The Walking Dead zombie plague is odd. Although they postulated that it was a virus or bacteria at the end of last season, it doesn't seem very much like one. No infection is going to reanimate completely dead bodies like this one does.
I haven't read the comic books, but I've heard that they eventually explain the plague as something supernatural. So I wouldn't expect it to follow the infected zombie rules. |
I suspect whatever Dr. Jenner whispered to Rick at the end of the first season is a major clue, and sooner or later the show will reveal that clue to the audience.
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Originally Posted by RemusShepherd
The Walking Dead zombie plague is odd. Although they postulated that it was a virus or bacteria at the end of last season, it doesn't seem very much like one. No infection is going to reanimate completely dead bodies like this one does.
I haven't read the comic books, but I've heard that they eventually explain the plague as something supernatural. So I wouldn't expect it to follow the infected zombie rules. |
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As of volume 14, I cannot recall anything specifically calling it supernatural. The best that was shown was the fact that people who had died of "natural" causes still came back as zombies, despite not being bitten. In other words, the bites may accelerate your dying, but they aren't what's bringing them back.
How this plays into the show? *shrug*
Rick got his sign, God hates him.
It looks like either way they're going to make an interesting show no matter how it turns out.