But Loki with the McGuffin/Cosmic Cube could still be the real villain.
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If we looked at it as a CoH team:
THOR: Hammer/Elec Brute
IRON MAN: En/En/Munitions Blapper (reminds me a lot of a few loons I started out with...)
CAPPY: SS/Shield Scrapper
SCARLET(T): MA/Ninja stalker with tons of gadgetty temp powers
HAWKEYE: Archery/TA Defender
NICK: Soldiers/Traps MM
...needs a healzor. Hmmm... *phones Whedon*
But speaking of Whedon, hopefully Scarlett comes across as the seasoned pro player trying to cope with an indisciplined mob of diva tanks.
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In his own feature, Hank was called "The Master of Many Sizes" because he DID use his shifting abilities in combat ... going from ant to giant size as necessary. He came across as pretty effective against his own foes ... which admittedly tended to not be in the league of the Avengers' normal foes.|
Originally Posted by JKCarrier
I think with modern special effects, an Ant-Man/Giant-Man movie could be *visually* interesting, at least. I picture him in a fight, constantly switching size, shrinking down to avoid attacks, and then shooting up to giant size to deliver a smackdown. That could be pretty cool.
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Maybe the artists in the Avengers book did not wish to draw that sort of thing when he already had a bunch of heroes and villains to draw.
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I'm hoping the "big bad" will be a dc crossover and Loki hires Lobo, Ok that probably the least likely scenario but I did find this little gem and Lobo and Thor are involved, might be a sign of things to come
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=586u_RCeTQw
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He's calm because he is in total control. Remember his powers from Thor, they wouldn't even notice him if he didn't wish it. I suspect that Loki with the Cosmic Cube will have just short of reality altering levels of power.|
Originally Posted by Ice_Wall
Plus if he's the big bad, I don't think he ends up in cuffs being escorted through the Avengers Headquarters so calmly.
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However I am also hoping we get the Red Skull in the movie, but I suspect we'd know my now if Hugo Weaving was going to appear
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Disagree with these two. Iron Man is too durable to be a blaster. He took a hit from a tank's main gun in the first movie. That's pretty tough stuff. He's not really doable in COH. They would need a ranged/mitigation AT, which doesn't exist beyond the VEATs and EATs (which have baggage). |
Originally Posted by DreamWeaver
If we looked at it as a CoH team:
IRON MAN: En/En/Munitions Blapper (reminds me a lot of a few loons I started out with...) CAPPY: SS/Shield Scrapper |
As for Cap, well he doesn't really have super strength. He'd be more in the realm of StJ/Shield or MA/Shield.
And you skipped Hulk.
SS/Regen brute. However he's an i2 regen model.
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I really don't know why Pym bothers with his Giant Man sizes any more, at least when facing opponents other than low level mooks.|
Originally Posted by JKCarrier
I think with modern special effects, an Ant-Man/Giant-Man movie could be *visually* interesting, at least. I picture him in a fight, constantly switching size, shrinking down to avoid attacks, and then shooting up to giant size to deliver a smackdown. That could be pretty cool.
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Every time he's used them, his modus operandi is to just smack a giant hand down on his opponent. But most of the time his opponent seems to be either STILL stronger than him, or has massive fighting skill. So Pym ends up getting the crap beat out of him.
The only time he seems to win, really, is when he goes Ant-man and does something scientific on a micro-scale that incapacitates his opponent.
In short, he should really stop trying to be a brawler. He's not good at it.
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Back in CoH Beta, Iron Man was held up as the epitome of the "tankmage", the ranged attack hero with heavy defense. It was a power combo that the game design specifically tried to stop, at least after they went to Archetypes instead of "pick any power".|
Originally Posted by docbuzzard
Disagree with these two. Iron Man is too durable to be a blaster. He took a hit from a tank's main gun in the first movie. That's pretty tough stuff. He's not really doable in COH. They would need a ranged/mitigation AT, which doesn't exist beyond the VEATs and EATs (which have baggage).
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During early development stages, there were no Archetypes. You could freely pick any power. There were two major problems with this:
A) You could gimp yourself quite easily by picking powers badly, which in a commercial product will likely result in a player saying, "This game sucks" rather than "I made a mistake", and stop playing, possibly telling other people that the game sucks and not to play it.
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B) Players over time eventually figure out the most optimal combos, which means that eventually you see 90% of the characters all with slight variations of the SAME power sets. This was observed during alpha testing, where a huge number of the characters you saw were all tank-mages.
So they took a year, completely re-wrote the powers structure, and made Archetypes, which attempt to provide a minimum amount of balanced powers to prevent gimping while forcing some power selection diversity.
In short, you're not supposed to be able to make Iron Man in CoH.
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Nah, he faceplanted after that hit and self-rezzed. Looked like a blaster to me.. :P
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Originally Posted by docbuzzard
Disagree with these two. Iron Man is too durable to be a blaster. He took a hit from a tank's main gun in the first movie. That's pretty tough stuff.
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Originally Posted by NinjaPirate
Back in CoH Beta, Iron Man was held up as the epitome of the "tankmage", the ranged attack hero with heavy defense. It was a power combo that the game design specifically tried to stop, at least after they went to Archetypes instead of "pick any power".
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There could be an AT made to suit Iron Man, without making a broken AT.
Most characters in comics are too powerful (at times) to be suitable for this game. However that doesn't stop us from being able to make reasonably balanced facsimiles.
As I cited, we do have ATs which can be used to build ranged/mitigation builds. They just have too much in the way of trappings to resemble Iron Man. Personally I think it is a substantial failing that such an AT doesn't exist.
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Eh, I wasn't discussing what *I* believe, just what the dev team at the time was giving as reasons for the two year delay in the game's release.
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Well, do remember that the Cosmic Cube(s) are in play in this movie, Loki gets his hands on one or more than one things could get interesting.
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Originally Posted by Ice_Wall
If Loki's the big bad I'd be surprised if only because he wasn't the strongest Villain in Thor, he was more a manipulator than a warrior, which isn't going to be great against a whole team of Super Heroes. But also for a movie that took 5 other movies to build into, and 4 major heroes and 2-3 confirmed minor heroes, I just don't think they are going to put one big bad. They'd need more villains and I don't see other Villains bowing to Loki the manipulator.
Plus if he's the big bad, I don't think he ends up in cuffs being escorted through the Avengers Headquarters so calmly. I think Loki will be one of several Big bads, maybe working as a team, maybe against each other and the Avengers... Maybe he will be the big bad with some weird army, but I don't see that. Maybe I'm wrong, maybe this character will be an awesome big bad but I really think there is more they just haven't shown yet... |
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Eh, I wasn't discussing what *I* believe, just what the dev team at the time was giving as reasons for the two year delay in the game's release.
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You provided a history lesson from more than seven years ago and derived a conclusion about the present state of the game. I don't agree. Hence I argued with the point you made.
Maybe you forgot the paste tense or something.
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I agree with you about the visual potential, but add me to the list of people who've never found him compelling as a character. You've got a guy who can not only change his size but also... control bugs. Sure, those are two more superpowers than I'll ever have, but it's hard to even type "control bugs" and keep a straight face. The combo and his past portrayals in comics just don't do anything for me.
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Originally Posted by JKCarrier
I think with modern special effects, an Ant-Man/Giant-Man movie could be *visually* interesting, at least. I picture him in a fight, constantly switching size, shrinking down to avoid attacks, and then shooting up to giant size to deliver a smackdown. That could be pretty cool.
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Not to mention when he inevitably gets smacked down in giant form, he always crushes a building.
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Originally Posted by NinjaPirate
I really don't know why Pym bothers with his Giant Man sizes any more, at least when facing opponents other than low level mooks.
Every time he's used them, his modus operandi is to just smack a giant hand down on his opponent. But most of the time his opponent seems to be either STILL stronger than him, or has massive fighting skill. So Pym ends up getting the crap beat out of him. The only time he seems to win, really, is when he goes Ant-man and does something scientific on a micro-scale that incapacitates his opponent. In short, he should really stop trying to be a brawler. He's not good at it. -k |
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Teaser looks great. I like that it seems like Thor and Tony Stark could bond (Thor enjoyed Tony's "under the suit" answer, at least that's what the preview presented).
I see you guys talking about Antman a whole lot. That is the worrying one, but I think they're beyond the "will it happen" stage everyone seems concerned with. Last I heard about it, it was confirmed with Simon Pegg starring. Is that no longer true? If that is the direction... it will be so much different in scope than these others that it's a good thing they decided to keep it separate.
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The thing about trailers, quotes and reactions can be taken from very different parts of a movie and combined into a single scene that doesn't exist in the actual movie.
I'm betting the Loki perp-walk is like his appearance at the end of Thor. He's not really there but is controlling that person, possibly to get his hands on the cube.
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Originally Posted by Nova Knight
I agree with you about the visual potential, but add me to the list of people who've never found him compelling as a character. You've got a guy who can not only change his size but also... control bugs. Sure, those are two more superpowers than I'll ever have, but it's hard to even type "control bugs" and keep a straight face. The combo and his past portrayals in comics just don't do anything for me.
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Hank Pyms greatest superpower has always been his intelligence. In the Marvel world he is considered to be one of the top 5 most intelligent people alive.
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Actually top 8.
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Hank Pyms greatest superpower has always been his intelligence. In the Marvel world he is considered to be one of the top 5 most intelligent people alive.
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Well, it's safe to assume that Black Widow and Hawkeye know each other well enough to work together.|
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Written correctly, would they have any effect on their team building at all, though? Since they're SHIELD agents, chances are they'll view the rest of the team as an undisciplined band of freaks, while the others look at them as Fury's stooges. If Cap, Tony, and Thor have enough of hard time respecting and being willing to follow each other, I think it'd ring false if they looked to Black Widow and Hawkeye and fall in line just because they're doing the same.
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Hawkeye's seen Thor fight without his powers, and he liked what he saw. Thor's going to likely look at Hawkeye and see a good warrior that uses an "honest" weapon and skill instead of just grabbing a gun and spraying bullets everywhere. I think he'll like that. So, those two can fall into line with each other.
Stark knows Widow, and I think he respects her a bit. He's more willing to listen to her than he would to any of the others, I'd bet. Widow knows what Stark can do, and how to play him to get what she wants from time to time. So, these two can also fall into line with each other.
I see both Hawkeye and Widow looking at Cap with a great deal of respect, and falling into line beside him. That makes Cap the center of the team, with the two "normal" people pulling the others towards him. Stark will be the hardest to bring in, at least until Banner gets pissed. None of them have good ties to Banner.
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Actually top 8.
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Well, aside from Reed Richards, Doom, Tony Stark and Hank McCoy, anybody else would be highly debatable which is why I would put him at 5.
However I do hope we see the Red Skull as well. I felt sure that when he "disintergrated" in Capt's movie the effect we saw was actually the same effect as the BiFrost Bridge transfer effect from the Thor movie.
Fingers crossed
Plus if he's the big bad, I don't think he ends up in cuffs being escorted through the Avengers Headquarters so calmly. I think Loki will be one of several Big bads, maybe working as a team, maybe against each other and the Avengers... Maybe he will be the big bad with some weird army, but I don't see that.
Maybe I'm wrong, maybe this character will be an awesome big bad but I really think there is more they just haven't shown yet...
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