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Originally Posted by Antigonus
Well, aside from Reed Richards, Doom, Tony Stark and Hank McCoy, anybody else would be highly debatable which is why I would put him at 5.
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Originally Posted by docbuzzard
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Aren't Parker and Doc Ock supposedly up there as well?
Wasn't there some rumour that Pym and Wasp would appear as background character.
or did I just start that now?
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In theory yes. In a practical sense, probably not. The problem is that this is not just a question of numbers: its a question of qualitative judgment. There have to be advantages to both melee and ranged offense. Allow both access to similar self protection, and the ability to make that distinction becomes extremely blurry. And in this game, we have an almost unparalleled ability to push the limits of the archetypes through power selection and enhancement. If the archetypes aren't just distinct, but very far apart in key areas, you eventually cross the threshold to tempting too many people to make the quantum leap of taking one thing, and adding enough enhancement to fill in the gaps.|
Originally Posted by docbuzzard
While I appreciate you typing up the history lesson (though I was aware of all that), there is nothing saying that ranged damage set cannot be coupled with defenses without breaking the game. You just need to balance the numbers appropriately.
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While its currently possible to make actual blasters have far more self protection than even conventional scrappers do, few players in total bother to do so. Its extremely expensive, and for significantly less you can make the scrappers themselves even more indestructible. There is still significant appeal to playing both. A ranged scrapper, something with significant ranged offense and significant personal protection, even if its nominally balanced numerically it would increase the temptation to replace both blasters and scrappers with sufficient effort put into enhancement.
I've seen it happen once, so I know this is not a hypothetical problem.
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First thing I thought...Peter Parker surely would be in the top ten...never thought of Doc Ock though...I suppose he's pretty smart as well...|
Originally Posted by ryu_planeswalker
Aren't Parker and Doc Ock supposedly up there as well?
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Love the trailer, really looking forward to this movie...even though I have yet to see the Cap America movie and Thor movie.
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I will again point out the existence of the VEATs as a counter example. A crab spider, in particular, has very solid status protection, good ranged defense, some melee and AOE defense, and a fair bit of resistance. They also have a damage scalar of 1.0 and a wealth of ranged attacks. By your analysis they are the ranged scrapper. |
Originally Posted by Arcanaville
While its currently possible to make actual blasters have far more self protection than even conventional scrappers do, few players in total bother to do so. Its extremely expensive, and for significantly less you can make the scrappers themselves even more indestructible. There is still significant appeal to playing both. A ranged scrapper, something with significant ranged offense and significant personal protection, even if its nominally balanced numerically it would increase the temptation to replace both blasters and scrappers with sufficient effort put into enhancement.
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If their appeal is so undeniable, then why doesn't everyone play one? The visual cost and being tied to villain side simply can't be enough if it's like you say. You can also pull off ranged widow builds, though as their best attacks are melee by far, people are less inclined to do so (I tried, but reverted to melee since it was so much better).
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Originally Posted by DreamWeaver
If we looked at it as a CoH team:
THOR: Hammer/Elec Brute IRON MAN: En/En/Munitions Blapper (reminds me a lot of a few loons I started out with...) CAPPY: SS/Shield Scrapper SCARLET(T): MA/Ninja stalker with tons of gadgetty temp powers HAWKEYE: Archery/TA Defender NICK: Soldiers/Traps MM ...needs a healzor. Hmmm... *phones Whedon* But speaking of Whedon, hopefully Scarlett comes across as the seasoned pro player trying to cope with an indisciplined mob of diva tanks. |
THOR: WM/ELEC Brute
IRON MAN: Human-form PB. Perma-Light Form has really buffed the AT.
CAP: MA/SD Scrapper
HAWKEYE: Arch/TA Defender
NICK: MERCS/TRAPS MM
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Corruptor, to my mind. Defenders would be TA/Arch.
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Originally Posted by Organicide
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Iron Man could easily be an Energy/Energy Blaster. Let's face it, he's just IO'd out to hell and back. He can afford it. He's rich.
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Loki could carry the movie as the big bad villain...appears he has the Cosmic Cube..as well Hiddleston himself stated that Loki has been meeting with the nastiest of the nastiest in the Universe since we last saw him....he is a master manipulator but also was Thor's equal in their fight....Thor only beat him due to the fact that he outsmarted Loki....twice...once with using Mjolnir to trap him and once by destroying the bridge...|
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But Loki with the McGuffin/Cosmic Cube could still be the real villain.
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That wouldn't sit well with Loki at all...since he thought Thor was an oaf...he may not come off as a huge threat all the time in the comics but that isn't what he desires all the time...he would rather sit back and manipulate the Hulk into fighting Thor..."this" Loki could be a darker...more lethal character who has had their psyche consumed by his hatred of Thor....Odin....and Migard as it was on Migard Thor changed...
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Originally Posted by Antigonus
Well, aside from Reed Richards, Doom, Tony Stark and Hank McCoy, anybody else would be highly debatable which is why I would put him at 5.
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1. Reed Richards
2. Dr. Doom
3. Hank Pym
4. Bruce Banner
5. Tony Stark
6. T'Challa
7. Amadeus Cho
8. Hank McCoy
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Originally Posted by Anti_Proton
The "official" list is:
1. Reed Richards 2. Dr. Doom 3. Hank Pym 4. Bruce Banner 5. Tony Stark 6. T'Challa 7. Amadeus Cho 8. Hank McCoy |
T'Challa is the one I always forget about. He needs a bigger role in the Marvel U. I'm not too sure about Banner. Yes, nobody can argue he is intelligent, but what has he done with it aside from one notable creation. And frankly, it wasn't even that special a creation aside from the side effect of creating his alter ego. I haven't really given too much attention to Hulk so I admit I may have missed something. I would move him to the bottom of the list.
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Bruce has been making a ton of technology and stuff since World War Hulk ended. His most notable inventions include teleporters and energy shields that can withstand attacks from Hulks. All portable of course.|
Originally Posted by Antigonus
T'Challa is the one I always forget about. He needs a bigger role in the Marvel U. I'm not too sure about Banner. Yes, nobody can argue he is intelligent, but what has he done with it aside from one notable creation. And frankly, it wasn't even that special a creation aside from the side effect of creating his alter ego. I haven't really given too much attention to Hulk so I admit I may have missed something. I would move him to the bottom of the list.
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It all comes under the title of Bannertech. This is of course from a guy who doesn't have the resources of the others.
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