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Judging by what Tony is doing in the trailer and his comment about not playing well with others, I'm going to guess that he won't be suiting up as Iron Man and joining them in battle until AFTER Loki and Stark have their little chat which appears to culminate in Loki tossing Stark through the window. He'll survive somehow and then suit up.|
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i find it odd...having reviewed the trailer again and pausing it....that the clip goes from Stark to Cap being tossed out different windows.....
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Hawkeye did start off a bit misunderstood yes. But this appears to be more or less the Ultimate version of Hawkeye, which is fine.
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Didn't he usually wear a full head piece/ask like Cap?
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It seems that this is the most anticipated superhero movie for next summer, which is amazing considering that Batman and Spider-Man will be in theaters in July.
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That said, Neither Batman nor Spider man took 5 movies to lead into this, and this movie is unlike any other super hero movie they've done so far. And when is that Superman flick coming out?
Also I'm a little disappointed that they replaced Ed Norton for Dr. Banner... I really liked him in that role, and maybe he just didn't want to do this movie or what ever, but then I feel like he shouldn't have done the hulk in the first place...
So it goes...
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The difference being that Catwoman was made as a stand alone movie with out any connection to a Batman movie, but additionally without any connection to the Batman mythos at all. They literally pulled her out of the Batman\DC universe and tried to shoe horn her into her own movie as a character she wasn't meant to be.|
Originally Posted by PowerStream
I mean at this point I like looking at Scarlet Johansen as Black Widow, but I can't see her in a solo movie, anyone remember Cat Woman?
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Then they had horrible writing, costuming, directing, scripting, editing and acting on top of it all...
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Just watched it again... I don't think Loki is going to be the Big Bad of this film.
Maybe I'm wrong, but it seems out of place for him to do this, plus there is a scene where he is already in handcuffs in there.
My guess is that Red skull will return, since he seemed more teleported than disintegrated at the end of Cap.
Also I'd not be surprised to see Abomination from the Hulk movie return. He wasn't really killed and I could easily see them doing a sort of Team of Evil for the Avengers to fight.. Just a shame Tony had to kill Stain and Vanko, left none of his own baddies for the big movie...
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Ed Norton is a great actor and I would have rather seen him in this as well...but he had issues with the brass I think. The suits claimed he wasnt creative enough or some nonsense and Norton's people claim it was about money. I dont know if Ed is a diva or anything, but the guy probably has a pretty strong personality etc etc though since hes got dope skills.
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Originally Posted by Ice_Wall
Also I'm a little disappointed that they replaced Ed Norton for Dr. Banner... I really liked him in that role, and maybe he just didn't want to do this movie or what ever, but then I feel like he shouldn't have done the hulk in the first place...
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They could easily dismiss the change of actors for Banner by saying that the numerous changes to the Hulk has affected Banner's appearance. Or they could just go the Don Cheadle route, "Well, it's me, and I'm here, so get over it and move on!"
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I just can't imagine Ant Man being a good movie. I haveno love or hate for the character, so this is just me basing it off his powers, and how even in the cartoons, I was never that impressed by him.
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As perhaps some salve on that wound, I read there is an Antman movie in consideration to join the stable.
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I will be greatly surprised if Loki isn't the big bad. Again they seem to be going the Ultimates route and Loki was an excellent villain in that.|
Originally Posted by Ice_Wall
Just watched it again... I don't think Loki is going to be the Big Bad of this film.
Maybe I'm wrong, but it seems out of place for him to do this, plus there is a scene where he is already in handcuffs in there. My guess is that Red skull will return, since he seemed more teleported than disintegrated at the end of Cap. Also I'd not be surprised to see Abomination from the Hulk movie return. He wasn't really killed and I could easily see them doing a sort of Team of Evil for the Avengers to fight.. Just a shame Tony had to kill Stain and Vanko, left none of his own baddies for the big movie... |
However I do hope we see the Red Skull as well. I felt sure that when he "disintergrated" in Capt's movie the effect we saw was actually the same effect as the BiFrost Bridge transfer effect from the Thor movie.
Fingers crossed
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As to Ant-Man and Wasp: I think the special effects logistics both on the set and in post production -- You've either got to portray two tiny people (Wasp & Ant-Man) on the same screen as the regular sized heroes, or you've got one tiny (Wasp), and one HUGE (Giant-Man) character... yikes... try being the director trying to frame THAT sequence!! -- plus adding two MORE characters into what's ALREADY a crowded film pretty much precluded them being in this one.
Plus, let's face it, Wasp and Ant-Man/Giant Man are pretty obscure to the general public. Thor? Hulk? Iron Man? Captain America? Instant name recognition. Black Widow, Nick Fury and Hawkeye less so, but see above in regards to logistics in direction and post-production.
And yeah - liking the slightly edgy Captain America/Steve Rogers. It makes sense. I mean, wouldn't YOU be pretty down after waking up to find that most everyone you ever cared about is long dead or at best in an old age home somewhere? And you've got to adjust to MASSIVE social and cultural changes as well.
As optimistic and resilient as Rogers is, I can't help but see him as still working through some issues as of the time frame of this film.
I've always had a love-hate thing with Tony Stark. It's like, he has a heart of gold, yeah. And the character is entertaining as only RDJ could do it. But good god man, every other thing he does when not in the suit (and sometimes even in the suit) makes me facepalm and go "Oh John Ringo NO!!!"
("Let's face it, this is not the worst thing you've caught me doing...")
Thor probably despite his discovery of humility and self-sacrifice still has some of the arrogance of being a god among mortals.
So yeah - lots of character conflict. But if they can balance it all and give us an evolution of teamwork where they all learn to work together in epic fashion... Oh yeah. This'll be one hell of a movie.
I've seen some speculation around the Interwebz about Black Widow and Hawkeye. Mainly around what will they bring to the table relative to their super-powered teammates, with respect to the versions of all these characters as shown in this series of movies.
In my opinon, what they will bring is 'team'. They're modern, covert paramilitary agents used to working together and with others. Written correctly, they would be the support inside the team to keep the over-the-top egos, the culture-shock victims, and the mentally-unstable powerhouses pointed in generally the right direction as much as humanly possible. Basically they will be able to demonstrate the value of teamwork directly and viscerally to the rest of them.
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Written correctly, would they have any effect on their team building at all, though? Since they're SHIELD agents, chances are they'll view the rest of the team as an undisciplined band of freaks, while the others look at them as Fury's stooges. If Cap, Tony, and Thor have enough of hard time respecting and being willing to follow each other, I think it'd ring false if they looked to Black Widow and Hawkeye and fall in line just because they're doing the same.
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I've seen some speculation around the Interwebz about Black Widow and Hawkeye. Mainly around what will they bring to the table relative to their super-powered teammates, with respect to the versions of all these characters as shown in this series of movies.
In my opinon, what they will bring is 'team'. They're modern, covert paramilitary agents used to working together and with others. Written correctly, they would be the support inside the team to keep the over-the-top egos, the culture-shock victims, and the mentally-unstable powerhouses pointed in generally the right direction as much as humanly possible. Basically they will be able to demonstrate the value of teamwork directly and viscerally to the rest of them. |
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Originally Posted by Ice_Wall
Also I'm a little disappointed that they replaced Ed Norton for Dr. Banner... I really liked him in that role, and maybe he just didn't want to do this movie or what ever, but then I feel like he shouldn't have done the hulk in the first place...
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In the ensemble cast of The Avengers, he wasn't going to be afforded the same privilege. As he's very controlled (or controlling, depending on who you ask) about his craft, he opted not to participate.
So the appropriate person to blame for Ed Norton not being in the film is...Ed Norton.
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Actually, I would think BW and Hawkeye wouldn't look at Cap that way at all. Now, they may see him as out of touch with today, but not as an undisciplined freak.|
Originally Posted by CaptainFoamerang
Written correctly, would they have any effect on their team building at all, though? Since they're SHIELD agents, chances are they'll view the rest of the team as an undisciplined band of freaks, while the others look at them as Fury's stooges. If Cap, Tony, and Thor have enough of hard time respecting and being willing to follow each other, I think it'd ring false if they looked to Black Widow and Hawkeye and fall in line just because they're doing the same.
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I think Ultimate Avengers (animated movie) showed best how I think BW would treat Cap, and it's not as a freak, but as a good soldier and leader.
However, the team is filled with large egos. Tony is obvious. Thor is a god. Even Banner is a genius (but even he has reason to worry about SHIELD, as they have no real reason to want to cure him, and in fact, in the past movies have wanted to capture and basically make more of him).
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Actually, I would think BW and Hawkeye wouldn't look at Cap that way at all. Now, they may see him as out of touch with today, but not as an undisciplined freak.
I think Ultimate Avengers (animated movie) showed best how I think BW would treat Cap, and it's not as a freak, but as a good soldier and leader. However, the team is filled with large egos. Tony is obvious. Thor is a god. Even Banner is a genius (but even he has reason to worry about SHIELD, as they have no real reason to want to cure him, and in fact, in the past movies have wanted to capture and basically make more of him). |
And like you said they could see him as out of touch, but just how far does that go? If Cap refuses to kill these days will that affect their view of him? And what if Cap harbors trust issues against SHIELD or Fury, leading to a break from government control?
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Originally Posted by CaptainFoamerang
Written correctly, would they have any effect on their team building at all, though? Since they're SHIELD agents, chances are they'll view the rest of the team as an undisciplined band of freaks, while the others look at them as Fury's stooges. If Cap, Tony, and Thor have enough of hard time respecting and being willing to follow each other, I think it'd ring false if they looked to Black Widow and Hawkeye and fall in line just because they're doing the same.
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Well I could see it being something along the lines off: The "powered" guys get their butts handed to them by whatever/whoever... But then Widow and Hawkeye move in and through teamwork manage to either defeat, beat back or at least save the others from whatever... Now you wouldn't want an entirely obvious AHA! moment from the rest of the team, but such could be the basis of the non powers kind of showing the way...
Not saying that's the route I would take, just that I see it being possible.
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Originally Posted by CaptainFoamerang
The reason I think his assessment has elements of the latter is because in the trailer you can see Loki catching Tony outside of his suit and chucking him out of a window. Also, I have a suspicion that if there's a team training sequence Tony may blow it off in the manner Batman did in JLU.
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Capt is super serious and rather conservative, of course he is going to be rubbed up the wrong why by Tony Stark. This is all good imo
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And Cap probably does want Stark to learn how to protect himself without the suit. It's standard procedure for Cap to recognize at some point the super powered people, for whatever reason, will need to defeat an enemy without their powers (the suit in this case).
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That aside, I'm in agreement with the writitng and the tension its creating and how they are going to have some bumps along the way to forging the Avengers I wouldn't expect anything less.
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To be honest, I hope not. I've heard that rumor but I think this is where Marvel could make a big mistake. Trying to shoe horn a relative unknown super hero out to the masses could kill what they've worked for up to this point. I'm not saying bringing him into something like another Avengers movie would be a problem but trying to anchor a movie around someone like that... I'm just not sure it's the right decision. The reason Marvel's movies have really worked so far is that the characters they've chosen have been big name characters that are ALMOST household names. Thor in my opinion was pushing it, but they did really well with it. So maybe I'm wrong but if all of a sudden we have a movie for every bit character then you chance running off the viewers. I mean at this point I like looking at Scarlet Johansen as Black Widow, but I can't see her in a solo movie, anyone remember Cat Woman?
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I, too, kind of hope that they don't do an Ant Man movie...not sure how it'd work...
Watching The Avengers cartoon (that came out last year or so) with him in it and was not really impressed...he could be fine in The Avengers 2 or something as a 'side' character like Hawkeye/Black Widow but...I don't know if a leading role in a movie by himself (with Wasp possibly) would do it...
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I'm sure Widow and Hawkeye are going to be used as the "watchdogs" or chaperones from SHIELD and for most of the movie will be treated as such. Then somewhere along the way they will do something major to gain the others' respect. Probably once they take down a major threat, or save Tony's rear from Loki and cause the others to realize if non-supers can make a difference by working together then they should buck up and work together as well...
As for the Ant Man movie... I cringe just thinking of all the B to Z list heroes Marvel has at it's beck and call. I fear if Ant-Man sees the light of day then many of the others will too and we are back to pre-Nolan Batman days and every director and screenwriter in Hollywood will make a movie. There are just so many BETTER characters to make a movie around - Dr. Strange, Luke Cage, etc. Heck I think they could even create a Black Bolt and the Inhumans movie. I could see it being turned into a movie with a "Riddick" vibe. So I guess in the end I just don't see the mass appeal for Ant-Man. YMMV
I think with modern special effects, an Ant-Man/Giant-Man movie could be *visually* interesting, at least. I picture him in a fight, constantly switching size, shrinking down to avoid attacks, and then shooting up to giant size to deliver a smackdown. That could be pretty cool.
But yeah, I'm dying to see a well-done Doctor Strange movie. That's just oozing with potential.
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As to no mask for Hawkeye, unless he wears a full head piece/mask like Cap does then it wouldn't do much good.
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