Why VIPs get server transfer instead of 800 more points?
Why do VIPs get server transfers instead of 800 more points to spend?
I would prefer to just get the points, I'm happy where my characters are, and even if I wanted to transfer 1 or 2, I don't see the need to do 12 transfers a year. Alternatively, only 400 points a month for a subscription is nothing, when new powersets cost 800, and it looks like there may be a new set at least every other month for a while, so that's all my points. Conversely, I could unsubscribe, and pay $15 for 1320 points a month, buy a powerset, or a server transfer, or a respec, or, lots of other things. At least let us trade in the server transfers for points. |
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You are right, it is a poor analogy - part of my $15 sub goes toward that server transfer, so it isn't as free as the flaming bag of poo... But then again, you are paying for that poo with the punch .
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That and your 400/550 points a month are perks of subscribing, but are not being paid for out of your subscription.
If you choose not to use them, that's on you. But you have them available if you want/need them.
Any claims that the player base doesn't want free transfers is untrue. People have been coming to the forums every 30-60 days begging for more free server transfers ever since they gave them out on the 2009 Winter Event.
That being said I think the devs would have done better by giving us a window where we could select a free respec, server transfer, or name change token depending on what we needed that month
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I think I'm at tier 8, another tier and in another month it will really not make sense for me to pay $14.99 for what amounts to $5.00 worth of points, for me and my playstyle.
If they offered a nice perk, not available from the market, that can't eventually be freed up with reward points, like, maybe merit rewards, I'd say ok, that's cool.
But they aren't, server transfers have a cost, they've put a price tag on it, 800 points, the same as a powerset, a respec, a name change, a full costume set.
It's like a magazine subscription, I subscribe for the year, I get a lower price than if I buy each issue at the newstand.
The current model is counter to that, doesn't repay loyalty, which is not good business sense.
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I do think the Devs need to do something to make subscribing seem more appealing though, if I unsubbed right now I only lose Incarnates but I gain 920 points a month. The decision to stay subbed is actually quite difficult and it really shouldn't be if they have done things right.
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So that would be $200 just for enough slots for the existing characters (Assuming I only have 50 locked, which is on the low side), plus 800 points for Time, plus 4000 points to unlock my EATs (Only available with a license, not Premium unlock), and only 600 more points for First Ward. And I almost forgot the 400 a month for the Signature Arc. And any time I want to create a new character, I either delete an old one or pay more money for another slot.
And with a multi-month sub, all of that is less than $11 a month for me. Yeah, unsubbing is a much better deal for Tier 9 VIPs. (Oh, forgot the Tier 9 VIP stuff, lose that too.)
indeed, instead of deleting my namesake character, I moved him to Exalted and then rerolled him on Infinity as a SR/StJ Tank
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I think I'm at tier 8, another tier and in another month it will really not make sense for me to pay $14.99 for what amounts to $5.00 worth of points, for me and my playstyle.
If they offered a nice perk, not available from the market, that can't eventually be freed up with reward points, like, maybe merit rewards, I'd say ok, that's cool. But they aren't, server transfers have a cost, they've put a price tag on it, 800 points, the same as a powerset, a respec, a name change, a full costume set. And the business sense thing doesn't fly, when Champions offers their subscribers all content for 'free'. It's like a magazine subscription, I subscribe for the year, I get a lower price than if I buy each issue at the newstand. The current model is counter to that, doesn't repay loyalty, which is not good business sense. |
I don't know what is offered on the other game for free, I have never tried it because my system can't handle it. But I have heard your character choices are extremely limited, losing the freeform power choice that is supposed to be the best part of the game. So you can play all of their content, but only using what they allow.
Here the only part of the game that is completely shut off from non-subscribers is 4 level 50 trials and level 50 powers. Everything else is either available for free (Most of the game) or available for purchase. And as you have pointed out, huge amounts of the stuff that does cost money for non-subscribers is available to you without extra cost because of the length of time you have been subscribed, i.e. because they are rewarding your loyalty.
Saying they are not rewarding loyalty by talking about how much of the game you can play because they have given it to you as a reward for your loyalty? That kind of hurts my brain, really. But hey, if it actually makes sense to you, and you don't want to spend the money on the game, then don't. They have given you the Freedom to choose what works for you.
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I'm not sure I see the logical distinction. If the server transfers and PP stipends are not given out unless you subscribe, then in what way is it incorrect to say the monthly subscription is subsidizing them? Just because you can't opt-out of these bonuses--and therefore there is no explicit reimbursement for doing so--doesn't mean that NCSoft doesn't internally consider (and calculate) the market-value cost (as a portion of the subscription fee) to provide them as "perks".
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you don't pay the $15, you lose access to Incarnates, have limited character slots, limited inf holding capacity and depending on your Tier, you'll lose access to a few things, global chats, Masterminds, Controllers, EATS, VEATS, and Inventions
Not to mention some of the small side bonus for being VIP. I've a character at level 4, no AH badges, and he can hold 40 pieces of salvage. A non-VIP, as I read the rewards shrub, doesn't get the bonus inventory and would be able to hold only about 8, maybe 10 pieces. Without going for a whole bunch of AH badges, my pre-Freedom 50s held 55.
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Simplest reason is a Server Transfer costs them nothing to give out but points do, since the only thing you can buy nowadays with actual money, other than a month or more subscription, is points.
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That being said I think the devs would have done better by giving us a window where we could select a free respec, server transfer, or name change token depending on what we needed that month |
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I think the main reason they decided to give the free transfer may have been in order to provide subscribers with a free way to move to the VIP only server.
When the new business model was initially announced, there was concern bout how the servers may be flooded with spammers, jerks and other such unsavory riffraff.
Whether or not any of this was considered a legitimate concern, an offering to allow subscribers to jump into VIP seclusion seemed almost a necessity.
Now, that may not be the real or the sole reason behind it... but if there weren't free transfers, I am quite sure there would have been people asking for them.
And, as others have mentioned... giving free transfers does not equal giving 800 points for their value.
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It would be nice if you could trade them in directly for respecs and renames, both of which cost the same in points, and 1 a month/account I doubt will break anyone's bank.
Or better yet make them worth their point total (800) which can be spent as normal but only on things that cost 800 or more, excluding power sets (make power sets 799pts). So you can offset to truly outlandish prices of some items (enhancement trays @ 1600pts WTF?).
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The basic idea behind the FREE server transfer for VIPs was to allow them to slowly, one per month, move characters from the zones they are on now to Exalted (the new vip zone). That way a player could eventually move all of the characters they wanted to the new zone without paying a transfer fee provided they were patient enough.
As mentioned here it definately has side benefits. Have a character that you love but wish desperately you'd chosen a different name..... Wait till you have 2 free transfers, find a server that already has a character with that name (or go create a character on that server with the same name .. shhhhh don't tell them I said that lol) , then transfer your beloved character to that server. Of course the first time you log on your going to get a free name change because your character's name already exists there. Then just use your 2nd free transfer to go back to your old server. NOW.. IF the free transfer did not exist to accomplish that your best bet would be to simply but a rename token from the on line store.. otherwise you'd need to buy 2 server transfers to accomplish the same thing.
Personally I have used mine, along with a few I purchased, to transfer characters. A few older 50 that I didn't have the heart to delete but never play anymore retired to Exalted to make room for new characters using Time Manipulation, Beam Weapons and Street Justice. A few characters I had on other servers found their way to Virtue (my home).
I realize there are players out there that don't care to do any of the things mentioned and wont but plenty of us are and here's the thing..
NC soft easily could have not given us anything at all and just let those of us that wanted to transfer characters PAY for the priviledge. Its better to have something you may or may not use than to have absolutely nothing at all.
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I see your problem. You believe part of the $15 is buying a server transfer token you don't want rather than it being a bonus freebie that you don't want.
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I see my $15 as a subscription to play the game, and as long as I get freebies on top of that, then that's fine. I'm not expecting to get all content in the game as well as $15 per month in store purchases. That, as someone else said, would just be bad business.
Here's an idea: those who are complaining about the free server transfer, go open a gas station. When you sell someone gas, also give them the same dollar amount in free groceries. Let's see how long you stay in business.
I'm not overly fussed about the free transfer either. Saying that however, 2 server transfers = a free name change which is very handy
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I'm not sure why examples for these types of things always assume you have over a hundred characters, which "proves" it's pretty cheap. I could do the same thing in reverse. 1 server with 1 character for a total of $20 per character! That's pretty damn expensive!
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The only way it wouldn't be a bargain is if it only applied to existing characters or individual characters and had to be purchased again for new characters.
I think I'm at tier 8, another tier and in another month it will really not make sense for me to pay $14.99 for what amounts to $5.00 worth of points, for me and my playstyle.
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And the business sense thing doesn't fly, when Champions offers their subscribers all content for 'free'. |
It's like a magazine subscription, I subscribe for the year, I get a lower price than if I buy each issue at the newstand. |
The current model is counter to that, doesn't repay loyalty, which is not good business sense. |
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Only problem with that logic is that the game still gives VIP's 192 free slots (as well as the ability to get another 576) whether a player chooses to use them or not. It's not the fault of the company if a player refuses to use the game features to it's full potential.
The only way it wouldn't be a bargain is if it only applied to existing characters or individual characters and had to be purchased again for new characters. |
Dispari has more than enough credability, and certainly doesn't need to borrow any from you.
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Only problem with that logic is that the game still gives VIP's 192 free slots (as well as the ability to get another 576) whether a player chooses to use them or not. It's not the fault of the company if a player refuses to use the game features to it's full potential.
The only way it wouldn't be a bargain is if it only applied to existing characters or individual characters and had to be purchased again for new characters. |
And as far as the free server transfers go, I used them and I'll use them again. But I guess I'm just one of those most people that don't want them.
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The answer isn't a pretty one, but giving free transfers, overall, is going to take less money out of their pocket than giving 800 more points. The transfers are useful to some people, and they have a specific price when you actually buy them, so they can say, "Look how generous we are."
Sure, most people would rather have the points as it would be of more value to them. However, for simple business reasons, I would venture to say that is not an option. The equation is not Server Transfer vs 800 Points. The equation is Server Transfer vs Nothing (or something else of value to only a limited group).
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