Why VIPs get server transfer instead of 800 more points?


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Originally Posted by Dispari View Post
So enhancement slots are a steal at their current price because every player is supposed to have 200 characters? Am I supposed to just make characters so I can feel the "value" of those enhancement slots, or am I expected to actually somehow play 200 characters across every server? Actually, don't answer that. Because either answer is dumb.
The company doesn't care if you choose to only play one character, or just on one server. The people that do that are in the minority. The majority of players have many characters on many servers and for them it's a bargain.

Sure the company could probably make a lot more money off of players if they sold them on an individual character basis. Most players wouldn't think twice about dropping 400 points on each tray per character. But that's only because people, in general, are stupid. One only has to work in customer service to learn that little fact of life.


 

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And if I had just won the lottery a world wide cruise round the world would seem pretty cheap to me. It's not cheap it's expensive. The more characters you have available the better return you get for your investment, but it is by no means cheap.

Nice try but I only make eight grand a year, and it's still a bargain.


 

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Originally Posted by Giant2005 View Post
A server transfer isn't really a gift to a lot of us, it is a nothing.

The thing is, the Devs don't want to give you too many points, they want you spending extra cash....
And they know that a server transfer is giving nothing to 99% of the players, I know I'll likely never use one, ever. So, they are giving me nothing.


 

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Originally Posted by Forbin_Project View Post
The company doesn't care if you choose to only play one character, or just on one server. The people that do that are in the minority. The majority of players have many characters on many servers and for them it's a bargain.
'Bargain' is a value judgement and entirely subjective. I have "many characters on many servers" and I think it's too expensive.


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Originally Posted by Wing_Leader View Post
I'm not sure I see the logical distinction. If the server transfers and PP stipends are not given out unless you subscribe, then in what way is it incorrect to say the monthly subscription is subsidizing them? Just because you can't opt-out of these bonuses--and therefore there is no explicit reimbursement for doing so--doesn't mean that NCSoft doesn't internally consider (and calculate) the market-value cost (as a portion of the subscription fee) to provide them as "perks".
The free Paragon Points are a means to allow VIPs to continue to get the same content they recieved before, while still charging for them.

That 400 points of month, if saved, will go towards things like new powersets, and thusly the free points help maintain the same content as before Freedom.

But ten, the devs know there will be plenty of people who see the free points and go..."Oooh! Shiney I wanted, but may have never bought before if it was included in a paid for booster!" *spend points*

Then smile as they release the content you would of gotten free, if you saved your points, and then paid for them with the free PP instead.

You can see it on the forums already. People complaining about having to buy powersets and not having any points. They spent them

And that's what the devs want. They want you spending the points on the little shinies, so when the big ones come out you're all "D'OH!" and then spending extra.

And for those who just say "Frag it. I'll save up my next two months of free PP."? Then they just say "Well, we were never going to get them to spend extra anyways."

It's win/win for them! Either you're staying subscribed or you're spending extra Making money either way.

Now the one's they're losing money on, are the total F2P, who will actually continue to play, and evr so slooowly work their way up the tier's (which what...4 years for tier 3?) , but for those, they're just wasting bandwidth, while giving their payingsubcribers a potential teammate, and making the servers look busier.


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Originally Posted by Voidstalker View Post
Actually, the server transfers can have other uses. I used 2 of them as a MacGyvered name change for one of my toons yesterday.
This.

I don't want to move any of my characters either, but there have been a few I wanted to rename.

By giving me a free transfer every month, they are effectively giving me a free rename every other month.


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And they know that a server transfer is giving nothing to 99% of the players, I know I'll likely never use one, ever. So, they are giving me nothing.
Ever wanted to rename a character? Every two server transferes turns into a free rename token.

That said, I don't think it's 99% of the player base this is useless for.

I just used one of mine to move a 50 from Virtue to Exalted. Sooo...since I don't consider myself any more special than any other player, and thusly just one of the common folk, it would seem to be that the server transfers will be commonly used.

Is it the reward I would have prefered? Naaa. Free rename tokens would of been better for me. But eh, it's not like I haven't spent money on a rename token before.


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Now the one's they're losing money on, are the total F2P, who will actually continue to play, and evr so slooowly work their way up the tier's (which what...4 years for tier 3?) , but for those, they're just wasting bandwidth, while giving their payingsubcribers a potential teammate, and making the servers look busier.
The "total F2P" people will never work their way up the tiers. If they are truly "total F2P" that means they will never spend money on the game, and thus will never progress. Only people who spend money progress (via subscription, buying points, or both).

The ones you're referring to are "premiums" and "potential premiums" (freemies who are willing to spend money).


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Bundle pricing is always so controversial.


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That being said I think the devs would have done better by giving us a window where we could select a free respec, server transfer, or name change token depending on what we needed that month
This! Or a character slot . I actually came to the forum to suggest that window today, and here it is. They're the same value in points, same general amount of uselessness to certain people, etc.



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Originally Posted by Ironblade View Post
'Bargain' is a value judgement and entirely subjective. I have "many characters on many servers" and I think it's too expensive.
The company decided on what they feel is good price for an account-wide purchase for the people that gotta have everything now. As a VIP you can choose to simply wait and get it in a few months for free once you've saved up enough points.


 

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Originally Posted by Psychic Guardian View Post
This! Or a character slot . I actually came to the forum to suggest that window today, and here it is. They're the same value in points, same general amount of uselessness to certain people, etc.
Nope. Character slots were never sold individually for $9.99.


 

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I'm a little surprised that no one thinks that this was given to VIPs because of the Exalted server. When that was announced, there was a lot of hue and cry about wanting free transfers to the Exalted server. I think that Paragon decided that this was a way to give VIPs a way to transfer their characters over to Exalted (albeit slowly), while selling more transfer tokens to the impatient ones (~99%).


 

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Originally Posted by Brillig View Post
I'm a little surprised that no one thinks that this was given to VIPs because of the Exalted server. When that was announced, there was a lot of hue and cry about wanting free transfers to the Exalted server. I think that Paragon decided that this was a way to give VIPs a way to transfer their characters over to Exalted (albeit slowly), while selling more transfer tokens to the impatient ones (~99%).
I knew this was the reason. For all the people who screamed "I have X characters and I don't want to play with noobs/kids/X I shouldn't have to pay more to get away from it because you changed the game".

I also realized another reason the devs want people on Exalted; Dropping Sub. If you move all your alts to exalted then decide you want to drop VIP you'd have to move your characters to a different server and lose your SG/Friends/etc all over again, "locking" you into staying VIP once you've labeled Exhaled home ebil Freedom Marketeers .



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Yes. Exclusivity always comes at a price.


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The company decided on what they feel is good price for an account-wide purchase for the people that gotta have everything now. As a VIP you can choose to simply wait and get it in a few months for free once you've saved up enough points.
Or I can choose not to buy it at all. I have a boatload of points, which has little to no bearing on the fact I think they are too expensive. If they go on sale, I might buy if they are cheap enough.


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I'm guessing that server transfers were the least purchased item pre-Freedom therefore giving them away "costs" Paragon/NCSoft the least in lost sales while giving VIPs the illusion of getting an expensive item for free.

I say illusion because an item that has no value to it's owner is worthless even if it has value to others.


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Or I can choose not to buy it at all. I have a boatload of points, which has little to no bearing on the fact I think they are too expensive. If they go on sale, I might buy if they are cheap enough.
So how much of a discount on "free" do you think you'll get if they go on sale?


 

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I'm a little surprised that no one thinks that this was given to VIPs because of the Exalted server. When that was announced, there was a lot of hue and cry about wanting free transfers to the Exalted server. I think that Paragon decided that this was a way to give VIPs a way to transfer their characters over to Exalted (albeit slowly), while selling more transfer tokens to the impatient ones (~99%).
It's one thing to feel ignored... and another to have it confirmed, haha!

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I think the main reason they decided to give the free transfer may have been in order to provide subscribers with a free way to move to the VIP only server.
When the new business model was initially announced, there was concern bout how the servers may be flooded with spammers, jerks and other such unsavory riffraff.
Whether or not any of this was considered a legitimate concern, an offering to allow subscribers to jump into VIP seclusion seemed almost a necessity.

Now, that may not be the real or the sole reason behind it... but if there weren't free transfers, I am quite sure there would have been people asking for them.

And, as others have mentioned... giving free transfers does not equal giving 800 points for their value.


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Nice try but I only make eight grand a year, and it's still a bargain.
The point wasn't to do with how much any one person earns, but that people with plenty of points spare will be able to afford this while people who don't won't. At 800 (or even 1k) points I'd buy enough points (so far bought about 3k) to buy the two trays. As it is I won't because they are too expensive.


 

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I knew this was the reason. For all the people who screamed "I have X characters and I don't want to play with noobs/kids/X I shouldn't have to pay more to get away from it because you changed the game".

I also realized another reason the devs want people on Exalted; Dropping Sub. If you move all your alts to exalted then decide you want to drop VIP you'd have to move your characters to a different server and lose your SG/Friends/etc all over again, "locking" you into staying VIP once you've labeled Exhaled home ebil Freedom Marketeers .
Never understood this idea, for years it's been:
Reactionary Players: "Oh Noes game is dying..." / "Nobody plays this game NEMore..."
Devs: "Ooh look new players..."
RP: "Quick give us VIP only server so we don't have to interact with new players..."

((Sorry to fail at pop speak...))

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Forget giving me 800 points instead of a server transfer. They should mail me a check for $10. I'd also like to redeem the 400 points they already get for cash. And $5 for the signature arcs. Plus the $2 for for invention and $2 for auction house access.

Basically, my monthly subscription should come with a check for $24.


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Originally Posted by Forbin_Project View Post
Nope. Character slots were never sold individually for $9.99.
$9.99 bought you two I believe.

I think it went $5.99 for 1, $9.99 for 2, and $19.99 for 5. Obviously the $19.99 was the best deal.


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$9.99 bought you two I believe.

I think it went $5.99 for 1, $9.99 for 2, and $19.99 for 5. Obviously the $19.99 was the best deal.
That appears to match the current rate. I believe under the new market system, 1 slot is 480 points, 2 cost 800 points, and 5 go for 1600. That translates to $6.00, $10.00, and $20.00 respectively.

Wait, they snuck in a 1 cent surcharge per transaction!