buying powers?!
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Posted on: 2011-10-05 21:52 in Archetypes and Powers General Discussion
time manipulation is free for VIPs, beam and street justice are not
i dont particularly like paying for them either, but at least the money is going towards the game that i like to play
Save up for a few months and get it. they did it that way probably hoping people will pay for more points to get it sooner. It's still a business and I think they are taking a page from Zynga since they made about 850 million in 2010 by micrtransations.
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Originally Posted by powerpuf
some of us are still willing to pay as long as we continue to get treated as well as before
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You didn't get everything for free before. You're not getting everything for free now.
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So what evidence do you have that Street Justice would have been released at this time, if at all, had we not gone F2P? Or are you just making a huge assumption?
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Originally Posted by powerpuf
can someone explain what i'm paying a monthly subscription for? this game is about playing superheroes/villians of custom design. so if i'm vip, why aren't i getting all powersets included for the price of the game/subscription? since superpowers are the premise of the game, it's a no brainer that my subscription cost should cover ALL powersets. bells and whistles like costume sets and temp powers, i can see charging for. incarnate powers are included for vip so why aren't beam rifle, time manipulation and street justice? if CoX is just gonna piecemeal everything, why even have a vip subscription? get a clue, people! some of us are still willing to pay as long as we continue to get treated as well as before it went free, otherwise, what's the point?
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This. I paid for GR, I paid for boosters, I'd have paid for CoV if I were playing when it was released.|
Originally Posted by Rush_Bolt
As luck would have it, you are.
You didn't get everything for free before. You're not getting everything for free now. |
Also OP, do you happen to know that the world's most popular mmorpg that DOESN'T have a f2p model has three paid expansions which were released for 40 bucks each?
Stop paying a subscription and play for free. Then you will answer the question "what am I paying a monthly subscription for?"
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As it turns out, if you've got lots of paid time on your account, the answer to that question is "not much". As a premium subscriber, I'm only really limited by having fewer character slots, no access to the Incarnate stuff and I'm missing a few costume parts. While it's great they give so much for free to customers who have been loyal over the years, it's actually sort of rotten that my $15 gets me quite a bit less than someone who just started paying for a subscription. I should've checked first, but I resubbed specifically to try out the new power sets and instead found out that I had to purchase them in addition to paying the monthly fee. Severely disappointing.
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Originally Posted by Tenzhi
Stop paying a subscription and play for free. Then you will answer the question "what am I paying a monthly subscription for?"
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i guess people are misunderstanding my point. let's compare CoX to another product, cereal. i used to like fruity pebbles. it started out with 3 flavors. then they added more flavors. did the price of fruity pebbles go up? no. u got a cereal with more flavors to savor and an appeal to get new customers to buy it. it's simple marketing. i tell everybody how great it was before and now i tell everybody it's even better. same way CoX should be. i pay for a superpower game. they add new superpowers. my price should not go up to get those superpowers (as a vip).
You could just pretend the pay-for powersets don't exist.
Because that's what everyone would have gotten if they didn't charge for them.
See the ustream that was recorded Wednesday.
Yes, some powersets will be paid for/require points to buy. Others will be released free.
What are you paying for? Access to all the content, all the server slots, all the ATs, a stipend of points (so if you don't WANT to pay for points, you don't have to - just have to be patient,) access to the VIP server, signature story arcs being included instead of being extra and several other things covered in the "Free vs Premium vs VIP" chart that's been out a while.
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Then be patient, save the points that come with paying for the subscription, and use them to unlock the powerset when you have enough. Viola, you haven't paid any more - you've just had to wait a little bit.
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Originally Posted by powerpuf
my price should not go up to get those superpowers (as a vip).
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I got Beam Rifle and Stj for free with my banked free points. Done and done?
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Originally Posted by powerpuf
i guess people are misunderstanding my point.
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| let's compare CoX to another product, cereal. |
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| i used to like fruity pebbles. it started out with 3 flavors. then they added more flavors. |
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| did the price of fruity pebbles go up? no. |
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| i pay for a superpower game. they add new superpowers. my price should not go up to get those superpowers (as a vip). |
In response, bacon cheeseburgers.
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I usually avoid reposting my own posts but I feel taking the copy-pasty approach here is going to be needed, this won't be the last thread like this I'm afraid...
So, your're upset ViP's pay for powers?
When I 1st realzied they'd be charging for Powersets I felt this way as well. But then I realized the truth.
ViP accounts are exactly as they used to be when you think about it.
from 2005 to present, spending $15 a month got you everything except boosters. This included 1 or 2, sometimes 3 brand new powersets a year.
Freedom already brought us Time Manip for free and the Dev's are on record saying they will still be giving ViP's free sets.
So in essence, as a ViP, you've already gotten this years free new set.
What charging for new sets allows, is the creation of even more sets. If they weren't generating revenue specifically from them, they wouldn't be able to justify the time/expense to create them.
So Street Justice, Beam Rifle, Titan, Staff et al would not even exist if they weren't charging for them.
You can look at it that way, imagine any new set in the store doesn't exist and at the end of the year, you'll still be able to say you got X and X set for free, plus you'd be banking a ton of points.
ViP's are getting more any way you look at it. Not only are we getting the usual allotment of free stuff, now we have the option to get even more!
I'll gladly pay $10 for a new set if it means the set gets made to begin with. If paying for Street Justice means 3 additional sets will be made thats outstanding!
It's all in how you look at it. I went from being upset and feeling like my loyalty wasn't being honored, to actually realizing what was up and being thankful, almost overnight.
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Originally Posted by Rush_Bolt
They added in a whole new side, 5 new ATs and a bunch of new power sets once. It wasn't free then.
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Also what Maestro said. Apparently twice.
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A more accurate comparison would be at a restraunt, where instead of paying one off, you may monthly to go as many times as you want.|
Originally Posted by powerpuf
i guess people are misunderstanding my point. let's compare CoX to another product, cereal. i used to like fruity pebbles. it started out with 3 flavors. then they added more flavors. did the price of fruity pebbles go up? no. u got a cereal with more flavors to savor and an appeal to get new customers to buy it. it's simple marketing. i tell everybody how great it was before and now i tell everybody it's even better. same way CoX should be. i pay for a superpower game. they add new superpowers. my price should not go up to get those superpowers (as a vip).
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So You had to pay once per course as well, as a one off, to get acess to them, the CoH course, CoV course and the GR course, but eventually the restraunt owners said that to get more customers in, new people didnt have to pay for acess to course individually... so...
eventually it became that the CoH/CoV/GR course acess came form a one off purchase, as low as even $2, but your subscription was always the same...
If was a patron at the restraunt the food that got brought to me every time was the same as the food brough to you, and the food brought to others, some patrons of the restraunt who had been going longer than me got some bonus stuff thrown in, but it was mostly filler and extra sauces and stuff.
They also decided they could make more money by introducing side dishes! side dishes cost a set amount, but were pretty limited, you wanted the side dish that let you change your chicken from a male to female to huge at will? You had to also pay out for the Tzatsiki, even if you hate Tzatsiki.
You want the side dish that let you eat gothic themed food? well you had to have a Tarot read at your table.
Now what the owners of the restraunt have done, since they are so awesome is that they have opened a restraunt where people can come and eat for free, but they can still pay a subscription too.
The free eaters have to sit in quiet and arnt allowed birthday singers or anything and they have to order everything alla carte, but the subscription eaters are so much better off!
Now their subscription includes nearly everything it did before, sure when the restraunt adds a new side dish, or even a new main dish now they have to pay a little one off fee to acess them, but they don't pay that one off fee with real money, not if they don't want to.
Each month the restraunt owners give them 400 restraunt points to use on whatever they want, they want to include the new Broad Beams in their subscription? they can, or are they not fussed with Broad Beams and want Street Mustard, well they can have that too! so while these things may have previously been incldued to them for free, they may not have wanted to have them as part of their main.
However the new side dish, a salady thing called a Rocket Board, they may have always fancied that (I find rocket a bit too peppery for me, but hey) so now they have add that to their subscription with those 400 restraunt points.
Otherwise that eater may have had Broad Beams and Street Mustard and never used them, but always wanted the Rocket Board, but never wanted to pay additional money to get acess to it, but now he can.
Right you know what, this is a rubbish analogy, ive never heard of a subscription restraunt, though i'm sure they probably do exists, i think theres subscription wine bars, but its really hard to link an alla carte subscription system to anything but an alla carte subscription system.
LRTR is that you really are better off, if previously you were happy with what you got and never purchased boosters or anything and played the new free powersets as they came out, you can save up points and get them pretty much as soon as they come out.
If you HAD to HAD to HAD to have everything that was released, every little boosterpack to matter how useless (party pack!) and you threw your dollar at the game like it was going out of fashion, well then you can still throw your dollar the the game.
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Plus, they are giving you free points each month, meaning you can 'unlock' those sets with them and get the sets for free.
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Originally Posted by powerpuf
can someone explain what i'm paying a monthly subscription for? this game is about playing superheroes/villians of custom design. so if i'm vip, why aren't i getting all powersets included for the price of the game/subscription? since superpowers are the premise of the game, it's a no brainer that my subscription cost should cover ALL powersets. bells and whistles like costume sets and temp powers, i can see charging for. incarnate powers are included for vip so why aren't beam rifle, time manipulation and street justice? if CoX is just gonna piecemeal everything, why even have a vip subscription? get a clue, people! some of us are still willing to pay as long as we continue to get treated as well as before it went free, otherwise, what's the point?
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Did you realize that Paragon Studios is HIRING again? I bet not.
What do you think they are using to hire those people? Here's a hint: It's not our subscription fees.
Since Paragon Studios is hiring people, that means we will be getting even MORE new stuff, some of which will most definitely be free for VIPs.
Hmmm, we have a choice, the same amount of free stuff we've always gotten, at about the same pace we've gotten it.....or a bunch of new stuff if we purchase some of the new stuff. I know which one *I* would go with.
The OP apparently wants a bunch of new stuff at an accelerated pace, for free. The only reason we are getting as much new stuff as we are is because they are making more money to re-invest into the game. They are making that money from people buying things like power sets.
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Originally Posted by Dechs Kaison See, it's gems like these that make me check Claws' post history every once in a while to make sure I haven't missed anything good lately. |
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A billion times this. Beam Rifle cost me nothing cos I used my Sub points on it. And in fact I got to spent less of those free subscription points on it cos it was on sale too boot. |
Originally Posted by Diggis
Plus, they are giving you free points each month, meaning you can 'unlock' those sets with them and get the sets for free.
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If you cannot control your buying impulses and feel like you have to have everything then yes, you'll have to spend extra. However if you're a bit patient and don't need everything RITE NOW then you can probably get all the new sets for free as a VIP going forward.
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I just love how much information some of you folks seem to have about the inner workings and financials of the people making this game. You also keep trotting out the "for free" part, but that's not it. The OP doesn't want something for free, he wants it for the money he's paying every month to play this game. You say that's unreasonable and that's your opinion, but that doesn't mean it's surprising for people to be disappointed that their monthly subscription doesn't get them new power sets. |
Originally Posted by ClawsandEffect
If they were not charging for Street Justice and Beam Rifle, it is very likely neither one of those sets would exist.
Did you realize that Paragon Studios is HIRING again? I bet not. What do you think they are using to hire those people? Here's a hint: It's not our subscription fees. Since Paragon Studios is hiring people, that means we will be getting even MORE new stuff, some of which will most definitely be free for VIPs. Hmmm, we have a choice, the same amount of free stuff we've always gotten, at about the same pace we've gotten it.....or a bunch of new stuff if we purchase some of the new stuff. I know which one *I* would go with. The OP apparently wants a bunch of new stuff at an accelerated pace, for free. The only reason we are getting as much new stuff as we are is because they are making more money to re-invest into the game. They are making that money from people buying things like power sets. |
Here's the thing with that for me: I don't know if I'm even going to like the new sets. Paying $20 to try both of them just isn't something I'm willing to do. Now, I'm not completely opposed to buying them if I like using them, but until I can find that out... no way I'm paying 1.5x the subscription cost just to see.
And I'm sure some of you are saying "well tough, you don't get them!" and it's fine if that's how you feel about it, but that's not very customer-friendly. I have absolutely no issue whatsoever with paying for costume parts XP boosters and other fluff that are just nice-to-haves, but when it comes to powersets, I think it's just not fair to charge for them without being able to try them out first.
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Originally Posted by powerpuf
so if i'm vip, why aren't i getting all powersets included for the price of the game/subscription?
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Now, some powersets are given out in free issues, and some powersets can be bought through the Paragon Market.
The main difference is that now, you can save up your subscription PP stipend and with a little patience get *all* the new powersets for the price of your sub.
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I once paid real money on top of my subscription fee to get Necromancy, Merceneries, Robotics, Ninjas, Poison, Traps, Energy Aura, Cold Domination, Thermal Radiation, Plant Control, Energy/Fire/Ice/Psi/Thorn Assault, and Ninjitsu. The majority of those I don't play but I still bought them anyway because they were part of a package. I also once paid real money on top of my subscription fee to get Dual Pistols, Demon Summoning, Electric Control, and Kinetic Melee. Two of those four I don't play but I bought them anyway because they were part of a package.
I paid no money on top of my subscription fee to get Street Justice. I also didn't pay any money to get Beam Rifle because I didn't want it.
I'm not sure I understand the complaint.
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My perspective on this: I had CoH and CoV, didn't get GR - I didn't have any access to demon summoning or kinetic combat until Freedom. I was a paying customer paying my $15/mo but there were power sets I couldn't play... too bad for me, that was the cost of not getting the GR expansion. When Freedom opened up those powersets I said "cool I got me some new powers to play with". Basically, its the same thing, wait long enough as a paying player and you can get the powerset for free.
I used PPoints to get Beam Rifle and some toys (costume pieces, rocketboard etc). I paid another $15 to pickup StJ and some more toys. Under the old model, these would have come in a $40 expansion which I would not have bought and would not have had the chance to play until some kind of merger happened way in the future.
Micro transactions are good for business and good for customers.
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Originally Posted by powerpuf
can someone explain what i'm paying a monthly subscription for? this game is about playing superheroes/villians of custom design. so if i'm vip, why aren't i getting all powersets included for the price of the game/subscription? since superpowers are the premise of the game, it's a no brainer that my subscription cost should cover ALL powersets. bells and whistles like costume sets and temp powers, i can see charging for. incarnate powers are included for vip so why aren't beam rifle, time manipulation and street justice? if CoX is just gonna piecemeal everything, why even have a vip subscription? get a clue, people! some of us are still willing to pay as long as we continue to get treated as well as before it went free, otherwise, what's the point?
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If you wasted your freebie points on those items, then it's your own fault if you don't have the points to get the power sets for free.
Beam Rifle (which came out with a discount) and Street Justice.
Two sets needed to be purchased.
Everyone who was a subscriber in the months of July, August and September got Paragon Points! Right there is 1200 Paragon Points.
You will also get more Paragon Points in October on your subcription renewal date.
You just got the standard content that you used to get before i21, FREE! \o/
Oh, did you spend those free points? Yeeeaaah. Remember those times before i21, when you had to buy booster packs, character xfers, rename tokens...yeeeaaah...this is just like then, only you get the option to say "Forget this powerset, I'll never play it, I'd rather have a costume slot instead of this dreck!" and actually get it! \o/
Of course you might say to yourself, "I want it all!" well, you had to pay for all those extra before, why'd you think that would change?
That's the point though. See they give you these free points in hopes you'll spend them on that costume slot, that increase salvage storage, those xp boosters, so when they release the new sets, you'll be "WANT NOW" and then pay money!
But you weren't the type to ever pay for anything extra before? Then better save those points! Don't start buying things you wouldn't have bought before, just because it seems like it's a free option now. Because it isn't. In fact, with Titan Weapons and Staff Fighting on the way, I'd guess at a new powerset every 2 months (in the first few months anyways) to keep people spending money!
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can someone explain what i'm paying a monthly subscription for? this game is about playing superheroes/villians of custom design. so if i'm vip, why aren't i getting all powersets included for the price of the game/subscription? since superpowers are the premise of the game, it's a no brainer that my subscription cost should cover ALL powersets. bells and whistles like costume sets and temp powers, i can see charging for. incarnate powers are included for vip so why aren't beam rifle, time manipulation and street justice? if CoX is just gonna piecemeal everything, why even have a vip subscription? get a clue, people! some of us are still willing to pay as long as we continue to get treated as well as before it went free, otherwise, what's the point?