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Dear lord.....when will these entitlement posts end?
I was just gonna say, "Oh look... it's THIS thread again."


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I was just gonna say, "Oh look... it's THIS thread again."
^This. We've shown in multiple other threads how VIPs are getting more for their money now. Appearances can be deceiving, but the facts back up anyone that says that we're better off now than we were before. We just don't get everything for free now (though we never did anyways, which people seem to forget).


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Dear lord.....when will these entitlement posts end?
These posts will go on until the heavens stop the rain.

These posts will go on until the stars fall from the sky.


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I'm guessing we should be saving our points for when Titan weapons land...at 800pts thats like two months of points we better have saved...or wait two more months after its launched to get it for pay--opps free! It might be nice if they could let us know some general time lines other than soon/when its ready so we can plan on saving for the new sets and or if they will be free or points needed!


 

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In short:
The devs are producing more stuff than before.

Stuff costs money to produce.

So if you want that stuff you'll have to pay more than before.

Bonus: you can choose to pay exactly the same as before and get, more or less (probably slightly more), what you got before.


 

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Originally Posted by Biowraith View Post

Bonus: you can choose to pay exactly the same as before and get, more or less (probably slightly more), what you got before.
You get more. There's no way around it. For your subscription, you're getting what you got before, plus at least what a booster gave you before every quarter. All of that for the same cost.

But if you don't want what would otherwise be in a booster, you can either save your points or buy something else, like a powerset.


(This post not meant as an attack on what you said, just clarification that we in no way are getting less than what we got before).


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As noted in multiple threads on this topic: How fast did you receive new powersets before? What choices did you have or did you take whatever was released at a given time?

The fact that your free points don't cover them all *up front, right now* is meaningless. If the monthly stipend will allow you to get at least as much *over a full year* as you did on average before the store, then you are getting at least the same value.

The value may be even higher just considering that more sets are being produced now than previously and you can pick and choose what to spend your free points on rather than just taking what is handed out with an update. If you don't want a given powerset, don't spend your stipend of points on it. Wait for one you do like.

You never have to buy a power with real money. If you wait and save points you can get them. This is not much different than waiting for game updates/expansions under the previous system, which were months apart.


 

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Originally Posted by Exodus_V View Post
I'm guessing we should be saving our points for when Titan weapons land...at 800pts thats like two months of points we better have saved...or wait two more months after its launched to get it for pay--opps free! It might be nice if they could let us know some general time lines other than soon/when its ready so we can plan on saving for the new sets and or if they will be free or points needed!
You know of Titan Weapons, Staff Fighting, Street Justice and Beam Weapons. You had all the the time you needed to know, to save points.

Power sets cost 800 points? Okay then. Save points untill you have enough to cover the following power sets, spend only the extra points you have laying around after you have the points for those sets!

So in this case...650 (or was it 600 for Beam Rifle the first few days?) that left you with 150-200 extra to play around with...don't play around with any more free points (unless you plan to actually buy points of course, then spend them as much as you want)...untill the next set is released!


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Originally Posted by Aett_Thorn View Post
You get more. There's no way around it. For your subscription, you're getting what you got before, plus at least what a booster gave you before every quarter. All of that for the same cost.

But if you don't want what would otherwise be in a booster, you can either save your points or buy something else, like a powerset.


(This post not meant as an attack on what you said, just clarification that we in no way are getting less than what we got before).
Yeah, I just tend to err on the side of caution with that statement - if only to discourage any inclination to comparing this 3 month span with that 3 month span and oh-my-god we got 1 less mission arc and 2 less costume pieces this time around so we're not actually getting more!!


 

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Yeah, I just tend to err on the side of caution with that statement - if only to discourage any inclination to comparing this 3 month span with that 3 month span and oh-my-god we got 1 less mission arc and 2 less costume pieces this time around so we're not actually getting more!!
I actually did the comparison in another thread, and actually weighted it so that the "before" seemed better. The new model still came out ahead on almost everything, and that was just a conservative estimate of the new model. How I think it will actually work out ends up much more in favor of the new model.

I have not seen any objective analysis in terms of comparison between the old model and the new where the new didn't come out as the leader in content.


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i guess people are misunderstanding my point. let's compare CoX to another product, cereal. i used to like fruity pebbles. it started out with 3 flavors. then they added more flavors. did the price of fruity pebbles go up? no. u got a cereal with more flavors to savor and an appeal to get new customers to buy it. it's simple marketing. i tell everybody how great it was before and now i tell everybody it's even better. same way CoX should be. i pay for a superpower game. they add new superpowers. my price should not go up to get those superpowers (as a vip).
Let's compare CoX to another product: a car. I have to pay the loan (or heavens forbid, I'm leasing the sodding thing). And yet I still have to pay a subscription for satellite radio and satnav updates, I still have to pay for spare tires and oil changes, belts, and gasoline. AND I have to pay for insurance. Why aren't all of these things included in the initial price? In comparison, why do I have to pay for premium account access but not get extras like Street Justice powers? It's like buying tires for my crappy car, it's so unfair.

Let's compare CoX to another product: a toaster. I can make toast. I can even toast bagels and waffles. But it can't warm up my pancakes. Holy [pancakes], this is a serious design flaw. Instead, I have to buy a micrwave or an electric skillet. There again, COX was missing the Mastermind primaries when it was released, and I had to buy City of Villains to add it to the game. Why was I forced to buy something that should have been included with the game in the first place?

Let's compare CoX to another product: a banana. Both are tasty. Hmm... not much to run with there.

I could go on making ridiculous analogies...


 

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You also keep trotting out the "for free" part, but that's not it. The OP doesn't want something for free, he wants it for the money he's paying every month to play this game. You say that's unreasonable and that's your opinion, but that doesn't mean it's surprising for people to be disappointed that their monthly subscription doesn't get them new power sets.
For the $15 we get everything from the subscription, but also 400 points per month. Those points are part of the pricing plan. You can buy 6 powersets per year with them (assuming all sets are priced at 800 or thereabouts) and those are "free" as part of your subscription.

The other logic error you both seem to be making is that not all powersets were free in the past. We had to pay for villains. We had to pay for Demons. Yes, it is a fact that in the past we got 1-2 powersets for free per year. Others we had to pay for via an expansion. Dual Pistols is another example. If you didn't buy going rogue, you didn't get it.

Most people who had subscriptions had 1200 or 1600 points to spend as part of their subscription when freedom launched. I know at least two who picked up beam and street justice without paying a penny more than their $15. That's already more "free" powersets this year than last year. And we've been told at least one more completely free (as in no need to pay points for it) via the devs in the stream.

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Here's the thing with that for me: I don't know if I'm even going to like the new sets. Paying $20 to try both of them just isn't something I'm willing to do. Now, I'm not completely opposed to buying them if I like using them, but until I can find that out... no way I'm paying 1.5x the subscription cost just to see.

And I'm sure some of you are saying "well tough, you don't get them!" and it's fine if that's how you feel about it, but that's not very customer-friendly. I have absolutely no issue whatsoever with paying for costume parts XP boosters and other fluff that are just nice-to-haves, but when it comes to powersets, I think it's just not fair to charge for them without being able to try them out first.
They aren't charging a penny for them unless you want to pay. Wait two months and get it as part of your subscription. or pay extra and get it now. Before you had no choice, buy the expansion or never have them. Now you have the option of being patient and getting it later.

This might work well for you because you can see it in action as others use it. It's not the same as testing, but it is something. And, you're not paying a single extra penny even if you choose to take the powerset.


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It's all a dying games last grasp for anything that might give it another day. The OP has an opinion. Mine, I can see both sides. I've bought a ton of points on more than one account. I did 'cause i truely enjoy this game and it's a way of suporting it. I still see this "Freedom" release for what it is... shaking the players for every dime they can get. It's hard to see the gold farmers from the Game Developers as of late. And I know lots of you have a negative view of Gold Farmers and people who buy infl.

Yes it's a business. And sure praise that if you want. However, it good to acknowledge the fact that if more and more players feel like they are being "taken advantage of" then the numbers WILL drop. When the player base drops and the money stops coming in... the game will go away. And the more obvious these high pressure sales are.. the more people will shy away from the game. If the whole thing could be less in our faces then I think people would have less resistance to the business model. And YES, one way to do that would be making VIPs pay monthly for the whole package.

Alot of this game's player base is very loyal. We defend the game and support it even when they make REALLY big mistakes. When they turn a blind eye to PvP, when they nerf our favorite powers, and even when they overmarket new content to us. We play their game because it's our game. Like I said, I've bought alot of points, enough to know they have a point limit per month. So for all of you who posted defending the games new marketing... Right on! Support the game. To the OP... I feel ya.


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It's all a dying games last grasp for anything that might give it another day.
Absolutely untrue. Freedom's been in development for a long time. The devs have plans for years of future content. Recent redname reports indicate that the game is seeing huge numbers of concurrent players, exceeding launch numbers. Dying game? Player base dropping? Ha ha ha. No.


 

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This. I paid for GR, I paid for boosters, I'd have paid for CoV if I were playing when it was released.

Also OP, do you happen to know that the world's most popular mmorpg that DOESN'T have a f2p model has three paid expansions which were released for 40 bucks each?
It actually does have a free-to-level-20 model now.
Also microtransactions (which are wildly more expensive than here).


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Yes it's a business. And sure praise that if you want. However, it good to acknowledge the fact that if more and more players feel like they are being "taken advantage of" then the numbers WILL drop.
Okay, but if they "feel" that they are being taken advantage of, but we can show them that this is ABSOLUTELY not the case, and they are in fact getting more from their subscription than they ever were before, will they listen?

The problem isn't that they are being taken advantage of, it's that they are reacting emotionally and not thinking about what they're actually getting. If they did, they'd see that they're better off now than they were before. So if the numbers drop because of this, it's because people aren't really understanding the system.


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Originally Posted by DocBenway View Post
Dear lord.....when will these entitlement posts end?
I bet another one of these threads will pop up soon.