Quality Varies Greatly.
Which should have been obvious really. Some of the comics are very good, some of them are atrociously bad and some are just dull. So no real change!
3 Words? How about these.
I'm enjoying them! 
Srsly, they've been interesting reads and I've really enjoyed them so far, even the Red Hood book. I have to say, getting really sick of how many people are slagging off the new take on Starfire because she's not like she was in the ****** cartoon series!!
I remember a Starfire in the comics that Dick Grayson had to hold back from killing as she was from a warrior society! She was never a wanton killer, sure, but she we also never the sweet innocent little goody two shoes some people seem to think she is either!
We built this city on Rock and Roll!
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By the way if you want a good book with women who are half naked. Go look at Voodoo. |
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No she's not, but her portrayal in the New Teen Titans was all about passion, this is just an emotionless robot. Now DC is startring to contradict itself too. Did the Wolfman Perez run on NTT happen or not? You can't have Roy mentioning the team when Donna and Wally haven't appeared in DCnU, since Wally, in particular was almost Critical to the whole resolution with Trigon.
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Originally Posted by Coin
3 Words? How about these.
I'm enjoying them! Srsly, they've been interesting reads and I've really enjoyed them so far, even the Red Hood book. I have to say, getting really sick of how many people are slagging off the new take on Starfire because she's not like she was in the ****** cartoon series!! I remember a Starfire in the comics that Dick Grayson had to hold back from killing as she was from a warrior society! She was never a wanton killer, sure, but she we also never the sweet innocent little goody two shoes some people seem to think she is either! |
Three words: Not my DCU.
I'm sure they'll pick up some new readers. But, I know for a fact that they've alienated a great many other long-time readers and buyers. I've glanced through the new issues as they've come out, and seen a handful that were good (that's mostly due to having a good writer/artist combination, not to any "reboot"), but many more that barely even resemble the characters I knew and followed.
I have yet to spend a dime on the DCnU, and don't see that changing in the foreseeable future.
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I'm sorry, did you just - yeah, OK, you did. Wow. OK, I could see not being impressed with the new version; I haven't read it, but based on the buzz surrounding this entire experiment on DC's part, it wouldn't surprise me to learn that they're Doing It Wrong. But to say that Jaime Reyes has always seemed like a soulless marketing ploy, you'd either have to have not read the John Rogers run, or just be spectacularly dense. Rogers's Blue Beetle was one of the best comics around.
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Originally Posted by Durakken
Blue Beetle - A rip off, personality wise, of Peter Parker mixed with several other things... this is cashing in on some properties and minority filling more or less. This character always seemed to be like someone in marketing made them up rather than the character having any soul behind it and it really shows especially with how shallow the rest of the line up is.
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It is, though. It really, really is. It's the only point from the perspective of the men sitting behind the really big desks in the really high offices, and they're the ones who make the decisions.|
Originally Posted by LadyGrimrose
And they're response to the outcry is just, "Pay attention to the ratings"? That is not the point!
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Saying it's not the point is like saying whether a gladiator's performance pleases the Emperor isn't the point. When the Emperor is the one deciding whether he gets stabbed, it's the only thing that matters.
Whether it's right for that to be the case is a separate question, and one that's worth pondering in an abstract sort of way. But that it is the case is not debatable.
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Originally Posted by Captain_Photon
I'm sorry, did you just - yeah, OK, you did. Wow. OK, I could see not being impressed with the new version; I haven't read it, but based on the buzz surrounding this entire experiment on DC's part, it wouldn't surprise me to learn that they're Doing It Wrong. But to say that Jaime Reyes has always seemed like a soulless marketing ploy, you'd either have to have not read the John Rogers run, or just be spectacularly dense. Rogers's Blue Beetle was one of the best comics around.
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#1. I never read Blue Beetle before this.
#2.
Highschoool geek that is bullied gets super powers = Peter Parker
Let's make him Mexican to say we have more minority characters
Blue Beetle is a semi-popular character that's not around let's use that mantle
Has a connection with Green Lantern
This lends itself more as a marketing created character than a author/artist created character
#3. I honestly don't know what it is about the character that doesn't let me find him him interesting. He should be a really fun character to read considering I do like a number of these types of characters, but there has always been something missing about the character that I an't resolve and without it being resolved I can't find myself enjoying the character.
That being said... without reading the book yourself you make yourself look like a dolt. while I do admit I didn't mention I hadn't read the previous books in that short description I did make it clear in my long review that there are factors that may be making me not rate it as high such as it's just missing something and I hate the Author, but I also said the book is well done and..
"If you liked this blue beetle before you'll probably like this one."
Because it does match with what I do know of the character.
But still I have no clue because a lot of the characters in DCnU are completely screwed up and nothing like what they ought be.
Well, I'm not even going to mention my age, but I have been collecting comics with characters that interest me and Starfire's unique perspective was a driving force behind m following the character. I expected the character to at least be similar. Heck, I expected her to slowly fall for the Red Hood and maybe becom the voice of sanity in the group. What I got was nothing like the old Starfire, at all. It's a fantasy doll with male jabs at her lack of personality and what they can do with her. No respect was given the character and as such the fans of the character. In fact, the writer has pretty much alienated the female comic buying audience in a single issue.
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... Yeah, see, you might have wanted to mention that, rather than implying exactly the opposite by saying "this character always seemed to be," etc. (emphasis mine) A little up-front warning that you are specifically talking through your hat. Just for courtesy's sake...
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Let me explain a little.
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I think I'll stick with Buffy season 9.
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Originally Posted by Captain_Photon
... Yeah, see, you might have wanted to mention that, rather than implying exactly the opposite by saying "this character always seemed to be," etc. (emphasis mine) A little up-front warning that you are specifically talking through your hat. Just for courtesy's sake...
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But, but, but...
Well i suppose he could just put it in his signature.
In my opinion the OP was badly written, and i'm not just referring to the typos and other mechanical errors. The word that leaped out at me as being both overused and descriptive of the review itself was 'shallow'. If you can't come up with an insightful review and summarize it in 1-3 words change the format. Especially since you would write several sentences worth of words before each 'summary' anyway.
Or in the words of Jimmy Urine of MSI: "2 minute song is just one minute and 59 seconds too ******* long!"
Dr. Todt's theme.
i make stuff...
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Wow. I didn't realize it was possible to /ragequit an entire medium.
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Originally Posted by LadyGrimrose
Until I see some major changes (retcons, never thought I'd wish for that) I'm done with comics period.
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The problem is though that this Starfire is not even seeming to have a connection to any Starfire. Or more accurately, she has no personality, period. And that can be said for Catwoman also. Noone here is claiming that Starfire wasn't entirely good, but she was also a very moral character and didn't sleep around casually.|
Originally Posted by Coin
3 Words? How about these.
I'm enjoying them! Srsly, they've been interesting reads and I've really enjoyed them so far, even the Red Hood book. I have to say, getting really sick of how many people are slagging off the new take on Starfire because she's not like she was in the ****** cartoon series!! I remember a Starfire in the comics that Dick Grayson had to hold back from killing as she was from a warrior society! She was never a wanton killer, sure, but she we also never the sweet innocent little goody two shoes some people seem to think she is either! |
It's fundamentally out of character to have her acting this way, and more importantly again, she's just a poorly written character. Unless you prefer your female characters going around and just offering themselves up as a sex object, that is.
S.
Part of Sister Flame's Clickey-Clack Posse
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do you know what the words "seemed" means? It doesn't mean "read it". For example tons of people think anime seems like children shows. that's because they've been conditioned to think that way about animation and more than likely have never watched very much anime. So, you see, I'm using the word correctly and you, well, you're being the common person.|
Originally Posted by Captain_Photon
... Yeah, see, you might have wanted to mention that, rather than implying exactly the opposite by saying "this character always seemed to be," etc. (emphasis mine) A little up-front warning that you are specifically talking through your hat. Just for courtesy's sake...
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But, but, but... Well i suppose he could just put it in his signature. In my opinion the OP was badly written, and i'm not just referring to the typos and other mechanical errors. The word that leaped out at me as being both overused and descriptive of the review itself was 'shallow'. If you can't come up with an insightful review and summarize it in 1-3 words change the format. Especially since you would write several sentences worth of words before each 'summary' anyway. Or in the words of Jimmy Urine of MSI: "2 minute song is just one minute and 59 seconds too ******* long!" |
As far as grammatical errors, that happens a lot with a keyboard that is breaking down and your half asleep and don't care to correct that stuff.
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Aye, that's fair, I should have stressed more that I didn't just mean on these forums I've seen it |
Originally Posted by SuperOz
The problem is though that this Starfire is not even seeming to have a connection to any Starfire. Or more accurately, she has no personality, period. And that can be said for Catwoman also. Noone here is claiming that Starfire wasn't entirely good, but she was also a very moral character and didn't sleep around casually.
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Elsewhere on the web I read a blog about someone whose 8 yr old daughter didn't like the new Starfire as she wasn't like she was in the cartoon and my immediate thought was, well, she never was in the comics ever so it's a ridiculous thing to say. There's precious few versions of any characters anywhere that are the same in different mediums, including the likes of Batman and Superman.
But I can see how some people wouldn't like the new one, it is a bit of a departure from the version we're more used to, but then she went through numerous changes over the years as well, from the kissing of Dick Grayson to the more warrior based version in the mid to late 90's. I'll just reserve judgement for a few more issues first.
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We built this city on Rock and Roll!
To be honest, although I have read previous version of Starfire I didn't care that much that they had changed her character. I simply found the new version offensive. Had it been a totally new character I would have also found it offensive.
I buy a lot of comics (far too many for a bloke my age 
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This is a song about a super hero named Tony. Its called Tony's theme.
Jagged Reged: 23/01/04
Starfire really does represent with the New New DC Universe in a lot of ways( i.e. that you have a character with a completely different background and personality than formerly).
It does make me wonder though.
Are they writting with popular stereotype of a comic book geek in mind,
or
did they
actually find people who fit that stereotype to write???
Pre-Flashpoint Starfire
-strong willed, passionate, loyal, strong moral compass
Post-Flashpint Starfire
-an Alien Superheroine who seems to act like she is on roofies
If anything, she's acting like she is the Crime Syndicate version of Starfire
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Yes, and it doesn't mean what you're using it for. (P.S. It's only one word.)
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do you know what the words "seemed" means?
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WtF?
there's my 3
Unless this gets better, my pull list is going to get even smaller
Gol-
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Originally Posted by Jagged
To be honest, although I have read previous version of Starfire I didn't care that much that they had changed her character. I simply found the new version offensive. Had it been a totally new character I would have also found it offensive.
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And, not so much "offensive" as just bad. Awkwardly bad. I don't care to sit and waste my time reading things so mind-numbingly simple/dumb/what's-the-point. Different preferences/opinions for different people, of course - Those are just mine.
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It does make me wonder though. Are they writting with popular stereotype of a comic book geek in mind, or did they actually find people who fit that stereotype to write??? ... |
Do the creators know how trite this is? Are they going to be making an interesting point of all of this eventually? Will there be a valid payoff? Or is this supposed to be entertaining me in a way that it is most certainly not?
Regardless... unless I have built up an immense amount of trust in the artist that is delivering the material that makes me ask those questions... I'm done with it, hehe.
Honestly, I liked Durakken's O.P. and agree with the theme..."shallow".
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and round up everyone that knows more than they do"-Dylan
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Unfortunately, that 90's representation of Starfire was due to Marv Wolfman going through a divorce and a midlife crisis at the same time. His usual quality of writing dipped significantly to the point I had to stop reading (he was trying to pair Dick and Donna up of all people), and had Starfire go through a hitherto unknown Tamaranean ritual making her become (and I'm not making this up) the 'Shaman of Tamaran'. /shudder|
Originally Posted by Coin
Aye, that's fair, I should have stressed more that I didn't just mean on these forums I've seen it
Elsewhere on the web I read a blog about someone whose 8 yr old daughter didn't like the new Starfire as she wasn't like she was in the cartoon and my immediate thought was, well, she never was in the comics ever so it's a ridiculous thing to say. There's precious few versions of any characters anywhere that are the same in different mediums, including the likes of Batman and Superman. But I can see how some people wouldn't like the new one, it is a bit of a departure from the version we're more used to, but then she went through numerous changes over the years as well, from the kissing of Dick Grayson to the more warrior based version in the mid to late 90's. I'll just reserve judgement for a few more issues first. Well.......erm.......you know...........oh, never mind :P |
He went out of his way to sabotage the relationship (it also didn't help that after nearly ten years of neglect, the Bat-editors wanted him back in the 'fold' as it were...which I still find a profound shame because he was the only former sidekick who'd developed an identity that wasn't all about Batman) and went so far as to come up with a lame Raven story and how she'd possessed Starfire to go through a fake ritual....
After that, they blew up Tamaran in the Parallax mess, and she was just cut loose. Once she was divorced from anything that actually gave her substance as a character, it was an uphill battle to recapture her, even though every time Perez and Wolfman were together (the last time was in New Titans with Joto and co), she came back.
I don't blame the female blog writer for her comments; all of our favorite heroes either come from reading them or seeing them in cartoons as kids, or (re)discovering them as an adult. These are the things you want your kids to get into. If I were a kid, and I heard they're remaking Superman, I'd want to see it. Is he anything to write home about? With a towel and a jeans/t-shirt costume? Not really. But even that's a step above a character that when the first time you see them the impression given is that they could care less about their life, and they want to have sex with the first person in front of them. And the first person says 'yes' and takes advantage of the very amnesia they know they have.
It doesn't deserve more issues because it's just flat out bad writing, period. If I want to see a sex object, there's real life people on the internet you can watch....
S.
Part of Sister Flame's Clickey-Clack Posse
I stopped reading comics something like 12-14 years ago.
I tried a couple of years back, and the first one I picked up had Hawkeye having sex with an amnesiac Scarlett Witch. Well, put that back and gave up on it.
Sad to see that things are just getting worse. Well, at least I can find quality comics among animation still.
My three words on the new Catwoman...
"I miss Brubaker."
By the way if you want a good book with women who are half naked. Go look at Voodoo.
For the record, I'm still waiting for my copy of Voodoo #1 to arrive, as well.
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