Premium Players get less than expected!
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Posted on: 2011-09-24 05:58 in CoH and CoV General Discussions
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Someone can correct me if I'm wrong, but.. Couldn't you just make a second build that was identical to your first build, swap to it, and put in SOs? You'd still have your IOs on your "first" build and could swap back to them once you were full Tier 7.|
Originally Posted by Pytt_Vypr
I have to agree. My high level characters all have IO's and in order to get an Invention Licence it would cost 105$ per character to get access to the Invention System. Or 2$ per month per character until i've spent 400 dollars to have access to IO's. I can't even respec to get rid of them and put in SO's because i would lose all the IO's that don't fit in my enhancement slots. So, I probably wont be coming back. I wish you COH/COV dev's all the luck in the world, but for now, I think outta here. Bye
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Edit: Obviously this is only a solution if your not running two builds per character. If you are, then I guess you're pretty SOL.
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Actually that isn't true any more. As of September 13, any subscriber has access to the Incarnate System at level 50, even if they didn't purchase Going Rogue.
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Originally Posted by Gemini_2099
Even a VIP that has not purchased GR does not have access to Incarnate content.
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UK law includes a proviso that a product must be maintained as advertised for at least 2 years. Pretty sure the Architect Edition falls outside that timeframe.|
Originally Posted by Snow Globe
And the box and website advertising said that the Mission Architect was included as a selling feature. No matter how much they try to get around that, the box and official website says the Architect Edition includes "the innovative Mission Architect".
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No idea about US legislation.
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Um, what? Everyone who is now a VIP has access to GR content AND the Incarnate system, even if they did not purchase GR originally.|
Originally Posted by CactusBrawler
Incorrect you have going rogue installed either way, you can only access the content if you've purchased it.
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Originally Posted by bromley
Weasel words.
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Originally Posted by Techbot Alpha
So, if GR was the gating system, and you had to have it installed...
That means, if you didn't have GR, you couldn't get Incarnates. Meaning you HAD to have GR to get Incarnates. Meaning, ergo, that people who bought GR were effectively buying entry to the Incarnate system. Because there was NO other way to get it. |
You bought ACCESS to the Incarnate system by buying GR. But the system ITSELF was not included in GR.
Also, if you look at the box, it states "additional online fees required" right at the bottom. Check out the Architect Edition cover that Snow Globe just posted.
So the devs have decided that the gating system is no longer "must purchase GR" (because everyone who subs got free access to GR) but "must be a subscriber." And it's been posted all over the place, so anyone who doesn't know that by now doesn't deserve much sympathy.
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Originally Posted by Techbot Alpha
There is no functional difference. You still need the Satellites to make use of the GPS. Ergo, you HAVE to get GR to use Incarnates. That's like saying a key and a steel door are two different things when, without the key, you're not getting through that door any other way.
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Originally Posted by Pytt_Vypr
I have to agree. My high level characters all have IO's and in order to get an Invention Licence it would cost 105$ per character to get access to the Invention System. Or 2$ per month per character until i've spent 400 dollars to have access to IO's. I can't even respec to get rid of them and put in SO's because i would lose all the IO's that don't fit in my enhancement slots. So, I probably wont be coming back. I wish you COH/COV dev's all the luck in the world, but for now, I think outta here. Bye
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It's $2 for the entire account (well, however many characters you have unlocked) per month, not $2 for each character.
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Originally Posted by Pytt_Vypr
I have to agree. My high level characters all have IO's and in order to get an Invention Licence it would cost 105$ per character to get access to the Invention System. Or 2$ per month per character until i've spent 400 dollars to have access to IO's. I can't even respec to get rid of them and put in SO's because i would lose all the IO's that don't fit in my enhancement slots. So, I probably wont be coming back. I wish you COH/COV dev's all the luck in the world, but for now, I think outta here. Bye
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Thank you Tamaki, I was totally jaw-dropped over that assertion myself!
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Originally Posted by TamakiRevolution
It's $2 for the entire account (well, however many characters you have unlocked) per month, not $2 for each character.
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I'd find that a reasonable compromise. Best thing about it is it gives players a taste of the Incarnate system and will make them curious about trying the rest.
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Originally Posted by Xanatos
What i'd do for premiums that have bought Going Rogue:
-allow for alpha slot. -Don't allow access into iTrials. |
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i was gonna be a pp but i looked at the list and said no thanks...im upped to vip on both accounts...however im already letting one go premium and as far as im concerned.they got about less then 3 months to make me a happier player by chunkin out real content quicker or my 15 bucks will go to bioware for swtor on dec 20th.
that means i need to see street juctice and those a.t. specific recipes sooner rather then later
i wont pay 15 a month for vip when the best we get is a costume temp power like this month.because premiun blow chunks itll be vip or not on.i only spent 3 months all year on the game as it was cause of boredom.i wont hesitate to go now and no its not a threat to the devs.its simply putting my money where ill be most pleased and the fact that premiun isnt even worth it to be here
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The box has a 2009 Copyright...
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Originally Posted by Shadowe
UK law includes a proviso that a product must be maintained as advertised for at least 2 years. Pretty sure the Architect Edition falls outside that timeframe.
No idea about US legislation. |
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I find this extremely well said.|
Originally Posted by Biowraith
They are keeping to the terms and conditions agreed to and made clear when GR was purchased - you need an active and subscribed account.
They've simply added another option (Premium) with different terms and conditions. So long as you continue to honour the terms and conditions that were in place when you bought GR (an active and subscribed account) you keep access to everything you bought - just as was agreed when you made the purchase. If you choose to move to the alternative model you do so knowing it operates under different terms and conditions - and nobody forces you to make that switch (and you can switch right back if you dislike the new option). ... |
Just for the record...
I don't believe there is a single thing wrong with keeping the Incarnate System to VIP only.
And I firmly believe that the Incarnate System was part of Going Rogue.
Both of those opinions coexist very peacefully.
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Oh, please. No, she's not "lucky". This isn't PS doing her a favor or a lucky break, it's a 100% calculated business move designed to drive revenue. One could as easily say that PS is "lucky" a returning customer is giving them ANY CHANCE AT ALL to sell their product to her after they failed to keep her the first time.|
Originally Posted by Feycat
Your friend is NOT PAYING. She's lucky she's getting ANY ACCESS AT ALL
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Personally, I feel like PS was disingenuous on several fronts about this and, even as a VIP, I feel like I'm getting less than I used to with fewer options where it matters to me.
From what I understand, they were planning the new business model before Going Rogue was released.
Therefore, they knew full well not to include the Incarnate System on the box and such.
There's nothing wrong with that at all. It's just somewhat funny to me (given people pointing to the retail box as evidence that the system you had to buy that box for wasn't part of that expansion).
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The Incarnate system was a system added to the game in a free update. The system had two requirements.
The paid expansion and a paid subscription.
It doesn't matter if you care about Praetoria or that content, when you bought the expansion that is what you were buying. You may have wanted to buy the Incarnate content, but you didn't. Sorry.
The requirements for access are the same. However if you bought the expansion, you still keep it. All you need is a paid subscription.
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Wrong.|
Originally Posted by Gemini_2099
VIP's who have not purchased GR do not have access to incarnate content. Ouch.
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Originally Posted by Gemini_2099
Yeah the thing is if you are a VIP you need to purchase GR for incarnate content. Fine!
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The biggest issue i see with the points you are failing to make is that you seem to have skimmed the information that's been made available without assimilating or comprehending it. Then you make emphatic statements based on an incomplete understanding because you seem to be ignoring anything that doesn't say what you think it should say. Please, read what's there in its entirety before making posts that are clearly and provably wrong.
It doesn't do your position any favors to make false statements, intentional or not.
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I think people are overstating how bad Free and Premium accounts are. They are both very playable and very fun. In fact, a Premium who buys $15 in Points a month in lieu of subscription has a big advantage over a VIP in Paragon Store purchasing power.
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Wrong.|
Originally Posted by Red_X2
Thats because it was a part of going rogue but they pushed it back into another issue because it wasn't finished. I'd dig for the old notes on it but I'm too lazy.
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Originally Posted by Red_X2
They stated that it was part of going rogue even though it was coming late.
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Originally Posted by Gemini_2099
Even a VIP that has not purchased GR does not have access to Incarnate content.
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Originally Posted by Dragorian
Is it mean that I LoLgasmed at that? >_>
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My second account got started with a GR Complete Edition purchase when Steam had it on sale. I also purchased the AE edition, the GvE edition, and the CoV Collector's Edition (very cheaply, about $25 total including shipping) and so it will have a few months of VIP access. And the Magic booster stuff that I got for free with the AE edition.
When it drops to Premium, it will have access to everything I bought when I purchased those editions. It will not have access to Incarnates or AE or IOs. Because all of those were released as part of the free Issues the game puts out. Issues 19, 14, and 9, respectively. The only one of those that corresponds with a release of any kind of box release is of course Issue 14 and the AE edition.
The folks with a complaint about the AE edition do have some argument for their side. It just is not a very good one. The box does specifically say you get access to the AE system with the purchase of the box. But you also got access to the AE system if the only edition of the game you ever purchased was the original CoH box. Buying the AE edition was not a requirement for using AE in any way, shape, or form. I am pretty sure that is why they also gave you a free booster with it. I know that I would not have purchased it without that tossed in. So the only way you "purchased the AE system" makes sense is in the same way you "purchase" access to the game itself, as a subscriber.
Shadowe, Issue 14 and the AE edition were released on April 8, 2009. Well over 2 years ago. I have never heard of an American equivalent.
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The recurring issue i keep seeing is that people aren't reading what's there. It's like they're just sort of skimming through, making assumptions based on a cursory glance, and then screaming that what they're actually getting doesn't match the details they invented when it does in fact match what's written if they'd bothered to read it all.
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Originally Posted by TamakiRevolution
It's $2 for the entire account (well, however many characters you have unlocked) per month, not $2 for each character.
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Yeah, this is incorrect. I can name one where I lost a race that was part of my initial purchase.
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Originally Posted by Gemini_2099
No.
Other games that have the hybrid pay model allow players to keep 100% of what they paid for . |
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I'll make it simple, if CoH let me use all my incarnate stuff as a premium player there would be no reason at all (for me anyways) to stay VIP. I would be quite happy with all my incarnate stuff. So by all means I hope they do allow for it. Of course, it would make poor business sense to give away the farm like that.
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Originally Posted by FalconX_NA
A friend of mine just came back to the game after it went free and isn't allowed to use the incarnate system after he bought Going Rogue. Correct me if I'm wrong but the Incarnate system was included with Going Rogue, in fact before going F2P, new players HAD to buy Going Rogue to use the Incarnate system. So tell me how is it fair that someone who spent their own money on a service gets that service taken from them just because they aren't paying the 16$ a month. This is clearly just a way to get more money,someone who paid for a service shouldn't be denied .Premium players might as well start a new account, they really aren't gaining much of anything by coming back...
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Alpha slot wasn't part of the Going Rogue release, it was the following issue, but nice try ( ' ;
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Originally Posted by CactusBrawler
The dev's ****** up, what they said would happen didn't. It happens some times, though if enough people point it out then they might give access to the Alpha slot, which was part of GR at least until once again the devs ****** up.
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The Incarnate System was originally intended to launch with Going Rogue, but was pulled until the next Issue for a reason I can't recall.|
Originally Posted by Electric-Knight
From what I understand, they were planning the new business model before Going Rogue was released.
Therefore, they knew full well not to include the Incarnate System on the box and such. |
The decision to switch to the hybrid free/subscribe model happened as late as June of this year (they flew some players in to talk about it around that time, but they were all sworn to secrecy), but they'd been preparing for that move for several months prior.
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I'm pretty sure you had to buy going rogue and subscribe to get access to Incarnates. Nothing changes from pre-I21 to post-I21 with that regard, except subscribing now gives you going rogue too. So simple, some people just don't get it. ( ' ;
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Originally Posted by Lucky666
make this as clear as I can.
I quit when i18 was released and didn't come back till i19, I had to buy GR to access incarnates even though I don't give 2 ***** about preatoria, it's zones or any content there of. Nor any of the power sets released with. I HAD TO BUY GR TO USE INCARNATES, THERE FOR I HAD TO BUY INCARNATES,NOT SUBSCRIBE TO ACCESS THEM, BUY THEM. So simple some people just don't get it. |
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That game does not count as a hybrid pay model.
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Originally Posted by Zyphoid
Yeah, this is incorrect. I can name one where I lost a race that was part of my initial purchase.
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The AE edition was merely advertising for the new feature and it came with a free booster pack (Cyborg or Magic).
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