Premium Players get less than expected!

Not to mention that either way, it is meaningless. People (myself included, sometimes) get so ramped up that it's like "Charlie stole the handle, and the train, it won't stop goin'. No way to slow down'.

Because, as seebs pointed out, "prerequisite" or "requirement for" do not mean "part of". As in the actual, defined meaning of those words, such as you might find in a dictionary, do not communicate the same concepts.

The devs have never described "the Incarnate system" as part of Going Rogue, the expansion. They only described GR as a prerequisite to accessing the incarnate system.

We keep using analogies because analogies are how one shows the meaning of words, by example. The words do have meaning, and you're using them in ways that doesn't seem to line up well with commonly accepted meaning. Yet you keep dismissing the analogies, because the analogies aren't the thing itself. Yet if we have to define these words uniquely for this example, then again, the words lose meaning. If we can't use these words here as we would use them elsewhere, how do we know what the words mean?

Are saying that it is wrong to say that the Super Tailor was part of the Science Booster?

It's all useless, after all.

Believe me, I (reluctantly) made the decision to try and have this discussion here, knowing that it'd likely end up with me getting piled on and looking very silly. Big deal.
And I feel like I got a couple of interesting thoughts in response. So, there ya go.
regardless, I understand and agree with your post!


Uberguy, people come up with dubbing the expansion and content's relationship as "prerequisite" and I understand the meaning of those words. However, that does not mean that a prerequisite, in the realm of video game expansions and related content, are not possibly tied to each other and a part of said expansion. A prerequisite may be like a segment of a line, that is still a part of the greater whole.
Just because someone who wants to say they are not a part of each other labels it as prerequisite does not make it a lost cause to suggest that they are part of each other.
It is not a lacking of understanding the meaning of words nor of being capable of handling such concepts.
It is a disagreement of the strict usage of one without the possibility of the other.


Anyway, I had some extra time to waste on this, but... I do not feel swayed one bit that the content was not part of the expansion. And that is fine. I have no problem how others want to see it. I only brought it up because people were saying it was wrong to see the content as part of the expansion. And I see that as wrong. It is completely justified to consider it part of it.

How about we just agree on "they are tied to each other"?
Not that we have to agree at all.

Next time we see each other... don't hold my opinion on this against me. And I won't hold yours against you. All is okay in the world (well, this tiny, insignificant aspect of the world, at least, hehe).

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Actually, it's like a point outside the line, disconnected from it in every way except that it is a conditiion (among others) required for Incarnate content.

It doesn't lie on the line, it lies outside it. They are not one, man...

Just because you want to say that they are one and the same does not change, like, reality, man...

If it is not a lack of understanding, then what is it?

How can you disagree that Incarnates were released with I19 as part of the greater City of * franchise, and that they tied the system to a substantive monetary purchase which was, hitherto, entirely unrelated to the content released with I19? That is exactly what they did.

And now, instead of tying the content to that purchase, it's been redeployed to part of the VIP package.

It. Was. Never. Part. Of. GR.

No, being a Hero is prereq for Vig. Being a Villain is a prereq for Rogue.

If you never become a Villain, your Hero cannot become a Rogue. Likewise, if you never become a Hero, your Villain cannot become a Vigilante.

Hero <-> Vigilante -> Villain <-> Rogue -> Hero

Originally Posted by Dispari I don't know why Dink thinks she's not as sexy as Jay was. In 5 posts she's already upstaged his entire career.

She's right. You can earn all the badges and powers, too.

Quick dive on it and save us all.

On second thought it is about 920 posts to late to do that. Oh well just post something random then.

Except that the super tailor is specifically listed as a feature of the Science Booster. Incarnates are not specifically listed as a feature of Going rogue.

Quoting from the COH website announcement of the Science booster.

I just wanted to point out that you don't need GR to access First Ward. My preemie account bought the First Ward content unlock and my heroes and villains can access First Ward just fine. I simply can't take Praetorians there (since I can't create them), and I can't take side-switched characters there (since I can't side switch).

Originally Posted by Dispari I don't know why Dink thinks she's not as sexy as Jay was. In 5 posts she's already upstaged his entire career.

I stand corrected. But then, is still new to me. I prepurchased going rogue and the my gaming rig started having oppen GL crashes and my laptop wasn't good enought to handle CoX. As a from about 2 days after GR's release till about 2-3 months back when i got a new lappy to replace my old one which was stolen I was unable to play. Though kept my sub going all that time and am so glad I did, especially with the release of I21 and the new vet reward system. From the info i read I got the impression that it was hero <-> Vigilante <-> Rogue <-> Villian. At least that make the switching a little better than i first though and though badges are quite a long wait for each (yippie!).

Originally Posted by Forbin_Project Then it's time for them to get off the cross, use the wood to build a bridge, and get over it.

I had the analogy go through my head of Going Rogue is like a car, and Incarnates like car registration. TO have the latter, you a) gotta have the former, and b) subscribe.

Nothing has changed for Incarnate content, they are making it still require both Preq.

+1

And EK - Vaporware refers to software that never materializes. THe most well known example (until recent events) was Duke Nukem Forever

Also, each "Issue" is an expansion. GR required Issue 17. Therefore, by your reasoning, we should not have needed to pay for it because it is part of Issue 17.

I tried that one, but in reverse. Going Rogue is the license that lets you drive your Incarnates. Unfortunately some random person started trying to shoot it down, and it got lost in the nonsense.

Indeed. It's a merry go round of misconceptions.

You're not. I was excited for GR because of the new stories and side switching. Like Uber said, getting the Incarnates with it was just a bonus.

I continue to pay because there is still value in the game for me. It's still well worth the $15.00 a month to have access to everything, not to mention that I like financially supporting things I enjoy. That's why I donate to public radio and purchase my music.

I don't even remember whether I knew about the incarnate system at all. I bought GR because OMG ALIGNMENT CHANGING THAT IS SO COOL. With a vague afterthought to "power sets and new content sound fun". Also, because I'm pretty much the king of the impulse shoppers*, and if you tell me there is a new expansion for a game I play, I usually buy it before I remember to ask what it does.
[*] The crown was in a checkout lane. I don't remember what it cost.

Ditto. And if there is a collector's edition I will get it.

Also, I once impulse bought a dog. Eleven years later, he's still my baby.

This game has published 2 collector's editions. One for CoH and the other for CoV. Both are being sold on Amazon.

I did. Being the cheapskate that I am, I didn't pre-order or pre-purchase GR for my accounts. I decided to watch for a good sale, and managed to score copies of GR through Best Buy's launch day sale. I can't recall after all this time how much I saved, but it was a good deal.

How about we agree that, "Premium players get what they pay for"?

Any more than that is assumptions, opinion, and entitlement, wouldn't you say?

--NT

One for huge amounts, the other for almost nothing. Just be sure to get New ones, the used are useless.

The one for the "huge" amount isn't much more expensive than what it cost when it was released considering how rare it is. I got mine for $59.99 when it was released.

I've seen other MMO's collector's editions selling for $200, $400, and even $2,500 on Amazon.