Premium Players get less than expected!
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Ad Astra,
Posted on: 2011-09-24 05:58 in CoH and CoV General Discussions
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So they use their second build to SO out the character. You can play the game just fine using only SO's. No one NEEDS inventions. It's just that they are nicer than SO's but you don't need them.
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Originally Posted by Spiked_Menace
Aside from the Incarnate system, I think a lot of premium players are going to be annoyed that the invention and auction systems are unavailable to the vast majority of them. God forbid they outfitted their character with IOs before they let their sub expire because they're going to be in for a nasty surprise, especially after they use one of their "character unlock tokens" on an essentially useless character.
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If I ever decide to go premium, think that incarnate would be the least of my problem.
Bad thing about going premium are IO's if you don't have enough VeT rewards (can be solved with 160 pp a month) and character slots (I do have slots bought, but still it would be going from more then 50 I use to less then 20).
Incarnate I use on 2-3 alts and I can always choose not to unlock them.
More problem will be with people that bought GR and don't have MM and controllers unlock. You have payed for sets but can't play them cause you don't have AT.
Incarnates - they do need to have something to keep people subscribing, or all top level VeT's could just went to premium (with everything unlocked).
"If you want to win you must not lose."
"Easiest way to turn defeat into a victory is to put on the enemy's uniform"
"Better strategic retreat than dishonorable defeat"
- Il Numero Uno (The Number One)
Even a VIP that has not purchased GR does not have access to Incarnate content.
GR is the gateway to Incarnate content which is why you must purchase GR for Incarnate content.
Why people argue otherwise I do know?
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Nope it wasn't. It doesn't matter what things you may or may not have seen in a beta of an issue or expansion. If it didn't release with it the thing wasn't part of the expansion.|
Originally Posted by Red_X2
Your point? I'm just stating the fact that incarnates was part of going rogue. No more no less.
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Street Justice. large Weapon Fighting. Staff Fighting. AT based enhancements.
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And that is exactly why they held things back. Free to play is just the tantalizing shiny to get you to play some. Incarnates and other things are the shiny dangled in front of you to get you to subscribe.
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Originally Posted by Red_X2
Done and Done. Because this game on a free account does suck. I'll stick with my sub.
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Is it mean that I LoLgasmed at that? >_>
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Originally Posted by Lucky666
make this as clear as I can.
I quit when i18 was released and didn't come back till i19, I had to buy GR to access incarnates even though I don't give 2 ***** about preatoria, it's zones or any content there of. Nor any of the power sets released with. I HAD TO BUY GR TO USE INCARNATES, THERE FOR I HAD TO BUY INCARNATES,NOT SUBSCRIBE TO ACCESS THEM, BUY THEM. So simple some people just don't get it. |
It doesn't matter if Incarnate content was part of GR or not initially. The result is you can't access Incarnate content without GR.
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You did slot the token you should have had in Tier 2 right? Or was this purely a trial account that activated? If the later spend $5 on it to get a token and slot it in tier 2 to unlock communication.
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Originally Posted by Basilisk
For a genre of game that relies so heavily on socialization to encourage people to keep playing, it's really a wonder that PS expects premium accounts to be in the least worthwhile, given that they've cut out basically any options for such. After all, why would I bother dropping any money on a sub/Paragon Rewards upgrades if the first time I log in, I can't stroll back into my favourite global channel and say "I'm back!" and be greeted warmly by all the people I left behind? |
But it's MY sadistic mechanical monster and I'm here to make sure it knows it. - Girl Genius
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Weasel words.|
Originally Posted by Feycat
Yes, indeed. Some people do not.
You had to have GR installed to ACCESS Incarnates. Yet incarnates DID NOT RELEASE with GR. They were not PART of GR. GR was the gating system which allowed you to access it. |
They are not respected by many.
Necessary and sufficient are not the same thing. Buying something is an expenditure of money sufficient to get it.
I can't listen to a CD without buying speakers. That doesn't mean that, when I buy speakers, that means I have bought the CD too.
If I bought GR, and then didn't subscribe, I didn't have access to incarnate content. Incarnate content was a separate system, added separately. It was not on the feature list of Going Rogue.
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No bad example.|
Originally Posted by Techbot Alpha
it'd be like buying a chair and then the shop coming round and sawing the legs off because they later changed their policy.
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It's like buying a chair and paying a home service company for maintaining your home. A few months later they come along and put a nice cushion on the chair, arm doilies and a nice over the back head rest that can be added or removed. Then you stop paying for the service and they take back their cushion, arm doilies, and padded head rest. Since they were part of the subscription but not part of the chair.
They needed the chair to be useful but the chair didn't need them.
That would be an accurate comparison to buying Going Rogue and Incarnates. Incarnates are the cushion, arm doilies, and padded head rest.
But it's MY sadistic mechanical monster and I'm here to make sure it knows it. - Girl Genius
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It doesn't strike me as "weasel words" to point out that GR had a feature list, and that feature list does not contain "incarnate system".|
Originally Posted by bromley
Weasel words.
They are not respected by many. |
The world is full of things gated by a given purchase but not included with it.
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You are right, you don't get it.|
Originally Posted by Lucky666
I HAD TO BUY GR TO USE INCARNATES, THERE FOR I HAD TO BUY INCARNATES,NOT SUBSCRIBE TO ACCESS THEM, BUY THEM.
So simple some people just don't get it. |
You had to buy the newest game EXPANSION to get access to new game mechanics. Those game mechanics were then used by a new system introduced in the next issue. Hmm?
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You just made his/her point.
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Originally Posted by TerraDraconis
You are right, you don't get it.
You had to buy the newest game EXPANSION to get access to new game mechanics. Those game mechanics were then used by a new system introduced in the next issue. Hmm? |
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I call it a day when all people can come up with is insults. Et tu, Interwebs?
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Originally Posted by Texarkana
Logic is not your strong suit, I take it?
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Originally Posted by Zwillinger
GG, I would tell you that "I am killing you with my mind", but I couldn't find an emoticon to properly express my sentiment.
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Originally Posted by Captain_Photon
NOTE: The Incarnate System is basically farming for IOs on a larger scale, and with more obtrusive lore.
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Not really.|
Originally Posted by Gemini_2099
You just made his/her point.
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We all get access to those new mechanics (even people who didn't buy GR) now.
However, that doesn't mean we have access to all the things which use those mechanics, especially not the ones which came out since GR.
Realistically, they've made it pretty clear that Incarnate content is VIP-only all along, it makes obvious sense for the line to be drawn there... Worst case, they are guilty of not spending enough time clarifying all the exact ways in which they define "things you bought", but really...
When I started my account, I had 12 character slots, so I must have "bought" 12 character slots, BUT I ONLY GET TWO IF I GO F2P WTF AAAAAA. Yeah, that.
VIP's who have not purchased GR do not have access to incarnate content. Ouch.
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So, if GR was the gating system, and you had to have it installed...|
Originally Posted by Feycat
Yes, indeed. Some people do not.
You had to have GR installed to ACCESS Incarnates. Yet incarnates DID NOT RELEASE with GR. They were not PART of GR. GR was the gating system which allowed you to access it. |
That means, if you didn't have GR, you couldn't get Incarnates.
Meaning you HAD to have GR to get Incarnates.
Meaning, ergo, that people who bought GR were effectively buying entry to the Incarnate system. Because there was NO other way to get it.
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Originally Posted by Zwillinger
GG, I would tell you that "I am killing you with my mind", but I couldn't find an emoticon to properly express my sentiment.
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Originally Posted by Captain_Photon
NOTE: The Incarnate System is basically farming for IOs on a larger scale, and with more obtrusive lore.
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Nope I didn't.|
Originally Posted by Gemini_2099
You just made his/her point.
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Lets use different terms. They introduce a new Satellite system to the game [Going Rogue] it lets you do various things new that require access to the satellites.
Later they introduce a new GPS unit [incarnates] to all subscribers but it requires access to the satellite to function. If you don't have access to the satellite it doesn't work. That said it wasn't part of the purchased satellite system. It is just something nifty introduced later that takes advantage of the satellite system being in the game.
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There is no functional difference. You still need the Satellites to make use of the GPS. Ergo, you HAVE to get GR to use Incarnates. That's like saying a key and a steel door are two different things when, without the key, you're not getting through that door any other way.
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Originally Posted by TerraDraconis
Nope I didn't.
Lets use different terms. They introduce a new Satellite system to the game [Going Rogue] it lets you do various things new that require access to the satellites. Later they introduce a new GPS unit [incarnates] to all subscribers but it requires access to the satellite to function. If you don't have access to the satellite it doesn't work. That said it wasn't part of the purchased satellite system. It is just something nifty introduced later that takes advantage of the satellite system being in the game. |
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Originally Posted by Zwillinger
GG, I would tell you that "I am killing you with my mind", but I couldn't find an emoticon to properly express my sentiment.
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Originally Posted by Captain_Photon
NOTE: The Incarnate System is basically farming for IOs on a larger scale, and with more obtrusive lore.
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Ding. Ding. Ding. We have a winner!
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Originally Posted by Techbot Alpha
There is no functional difference. You still need the Satellites to make use of the GPS. Ergo, you HAVE to get GR to use Incarnates.
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I clearly don't though. Apparently arguing against this makes me a whiny cry-baby who wants everything for free, conveniently ignoring that I personally am staying VIP until CoH dies or I run out of money. Heaven forbid I try and argue on the side of the more reasonable option rather than the money grabbing one that is trying to double charge people who have already paid.
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Originally Posted by Gemini_2099
Ding. Ding. Ding. We have a winner!
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Originally Posted by Zwillinger
GG, I would tell you that "I am killing you with my mind", but I couldn't find an emoticon to properly express my sentiment.
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Originally Posted by Captain_Photon
NOTE: The Incarnate System is basically farming for IOs on a larger scale, and with more obtrusive lore.
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Nope not true.|
Originally Posted by Gemini_2099
VIP's who have not purchased GR do not have access to incarnate content. Ouch.
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As they have done in the past NCSoft has grandfathered previous expansions into the game. This happened back when Cryptic sold COH to NCSoft and Paragon Studios was formed to maintain it. As part of the things done to help retain players they gave all players for free the COV expansion. All players starting the game after that had full access to the content.
they are doing the same exact thing with COH:F as of it's release all subscribers have access to all content to play and use. The difference being that if a subscriber had never purchased the Going Rogue expansion they will lose access to Praetoria and side switching if they drop to premium while a subscriber who has purchased those will retain access to those things if they go premium.
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The Alpha slot was going to be a "sneak peak" in Going Rogue. They pushed it back based on player feedback not Marketing. On the main page they have been very clear that incarnate access is only VIP.
The choice to support the game is yours. But, again. VIPs deserve to reap the benefits of their subscription and if it's not Incarnates that is locked away then it "will" be something else.
The argument could be you bought CoH so you should have access to everything because all the features are linked to the main game itself. This boils down to the right of NcSoft to alter subscription and non-subscription content however they wish. It is stated as such in the Eula.
You had to have GR installed to ACCESS Incarnates.
Yet incarnates DID NOT RELEASE with GR. They were not PART of GR. GR was the gating system which allowed you to access it.
Incorrect you have going rogue installed either way, you can only access the content if you've purchased it.
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