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I never saw anyone say it will have no impact on the number of instances per hour. It won't have much of an impact on PLing or Ticket gains, though. The reason it could potentially increase instances per hour by farming different mobs is because those mobs will no longer be self rezzing, meaning time spent on the map will be cut by up to one half, meaning farmers will be spending far less time on each map before zoning back out, getting the next mission, and going back in. This argument is not contradictory to anything else that poster has said. Less time spent killing mobs = less time spent per map = more instances.

(A) It's no longer "Risk = Reward," according to them, it's somethingorother over time (reward over time? Something like that.) Which they still don't adhere to, and which is also why you rarely see anyone deal with Lusca, for instance. "All that for two merits and less XP than a boss gives... no."

(B) Removing self rezzing = "Can't do that because of story creators." Unfortunately for those of us who like/liked creating stories, there are about 10 people who actually care. And with this loss of reward for killing someone we have rez for story purposes... time for "four star hell" again (Not on the first few pages = doomed to obscurity.)

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I was talking about MARTy stopping farming all together. That is something that would make a bunch of people stop subscribing.

This on the other hand is absolutely nothing compared to that.

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Also - "constantly disproven"?

I have yet to see ANYONE prove me wrong.

How does this "balance the game"? It's just a trademark clueless stab in the dark by a dev team more concerned with attempting to nerf farming than fixing game bugs and systems.

The idea is that you clear the map in half the time it would have taken if the mobs rezzed. So you hop out and open a new map. Thus, what once took you, for example, 10 minutes in one instance now takes you 5 minutes in once instance and 5 minutes in another.

I don't think he/she was saying there would be more concurrent instances, just more instances being created in the same timeframe.

Whether that has any effect on server lag or not, I have no idea, so I'm not defending it as a valid argument. Just clarifying what I think the intent was.

The funny thing is, this would actually get you more tickets than doing just the one map with the self-rezzers.

Well no, this isn't quite true. Why? Because when they rez they do so right beside you (so they're already clustered up nicely for you), pbaoes and pets can eat their faces as they rez and they're also in any patches of horridness that you may have set up (debuff patchs, burn patches etc).

Personally I'd say it's a fair enough change. I've used them myself for some powerlevelling but certainly having the XP bags pop back up right beside me so all I had to do was spam my PBAOE and pop Insps seemed a bit off to me. Personally I'd have given 50% XP for them, but this is obviously aimed at stamping out that behaviour altogether.

Very true.

This.

At least a few people around here can read.

Edit:
Mobs are invulnerable for several seconds after rezzing, until well after the animations have played out, et. cetera. They can attack you a fraction of a second before you can even target them. They are no more easy to defeat than they were the first time you hopped into them with a taunt aura, gathering them in a second or two, and dropped a burn patch or whatever have you on them. This is ridiculously faulty logic.

Edit2:
You are correct about the intent of the argument, as I mentioned in the original content of this post. The basis of it as a valid argument is from the mouth of the development team.
During the I21 beta, one of the Devs (I forget which one, sorry, feel free to check the digest) mentioned that the primary reason that the new low level Atlas Park mission arcs avoid actually giving you an instanced mission map in every circumstance where they could reasonably do so is because each instanced map created by the mapserver contributes to the server latency experienced by every player on the mapserver (read: anyone in any instanced mission or supergroup base), which is compounded dramatically by how frequently low-level players acquire missions.
Farmers banging out missions in 2-5 minutes for hours a day is going to have an impact. I obviously can't even guess how much of an impact as I have no idea what percentage of instances created are done so by MA farmers, but I can venture to say it won't be a statistically insignificant number just because the behavior is so prevalent, and potentially upwards of doubling the speed this type of gamer generates new maps is not going to be totally without consequence.

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No, they are player untargettable. They aren't invulnerable at all. Certainly Freaks aren't. I've seen Carrion Creepers and imps rip their faces off while they're still rezzing.

That would be something like the children's crusade.

Proof you can do horrible things if you have the will and the stupidly faithful.

That's actually good logic. Seems like you haven't played in one of these farms otherwise you would know you can PBAoE them to death before targeting them.

Sorry, Devs, wrong move.

At +1/x4, enough foes spawn in an 'ambush farm' with rezzers to hit the Ticket cap. With this new brake, all one has to do is set the mission for +1/x8, or +2/x5, or some combination to make up for lack of rezzers.

This is what MARTy was for... so you wouldn't have to muck up the mechanics for regular play. Now valid arcs with rezzers are going to be seen as punishment because of their lowered rewards.

Please take this out and screw down MARTy a bit tighter in the MA.

That was the impression that I got about MARTy too. It was created so that they wouldn't have to monkey with things that may or may not have unintended side effects on "legitimate play"

The notes specify Mission Architect.

So either the devs have changed it, or Marty has become sentient, and is now running the game.

Weird. The impression I got from it was that is was a fail-safe for when weird exploits crop up, moderating the damage until a proper patch can be applied, not a half-arsed rush job, and it's also an event hook for flagging when those sorts of exploits are triggering

Actually from what Zwill stated Marty was NEVER aimed at the +4/x8 mobs, which is why this new change to rezzing mobs (put aside how useful it will or won't be) was put in.

I never understood why everyone was saying Marty would be stopping +4/x8 farming, when Zwill specifically stated in more ways than one it wouldn't.

In fact I recall hims stating to send in BUG REPORTS if Marty kicked in in those situations. Plus it was stated that it was aimed at stuff like one-shotting all of Perez. I might be terrible at reading comp, but that doesn't sound like Marty was aimed at +4/x8 AE at all.

The fact that they had to put THIS in this new patch pretty much proves people weren't paying attention when Zwil explained what Marty was ACTUALLY about.

Oh bah. I thought I had until the game went 'free' to level pact my characters with my friend's.

That's what I got.

NONE of what Zwil posted mentioned the common +4/x8 AE farm.

I see that but the devs have tendancy to do a blanket fix to all the powers and not just specific ones, which end up having to be corrected later. I just want to make sure its not all critters.

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