Discussion: VIP Head Start - Patch Notes for Build 2100.201109170227.1
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Posted on: 2011-09-20 09:08 in News, Events and Announcement Discussion
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Now we just need forums MARTy. |
Originally Posted by Golden Girl
Or Marty might have told them which exploit to hit first
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Not really. He said it wasn't aimed at a specific playstyle, e.g., +4/x8, or at MA farms. It's aimed at whenever and wherever there is an inordinate rate of rewards, which could very well be on a +4/x8 arc where the players are leveraging certain mechanics for inordinate gain.|
Originally Posted by Aura_Familia
Actually from what Zwill stated Marty was NEVER aimed at the +4/x8 mobs, which is why this new change to rezzing mobs (put aside how useful it will or won't be) was put in.
I never understood why everyone was saying Marty would be stopping +4/x8 farming, when Zwill specifically stated in more ways than one it wouldn't. In fact I recall hims stating to send in BUG REPORTS if Marty kicked in in those situations. |
For a random group of toons playing very efficiently at a Dev-created arc at +4/x8, MARTy would not ordinarily kick in. But on certain maps, or with certain synergistic powers (e.g., Repeat Offenders), or with a bug/exploit, then a +4/x8 Dev-create map could possibly bump into MARTy.
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Eh, I've been meaning to update my farm anyways, Thanks devs!
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Don't give them any ideas.
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Originally Posted by Sivasiri
The real moral of the story is that there will always be a 'most optimal' way to level, or get inf, or get whatever; and that way will rarely resemble 'normal gameplay'. That's not really something you can 'fix' unless you want to lock everyone into a rigid linear one-way path.
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Anyone complaining about the MA fix being a "punishment" for legitimate players...I'd love to see an actual valid argument. As one of those legitimate authors this fix supposedly punishes, the only "mob" that self-rez are the major bosses, who do so only because the story dictates. Rewards for their defeat never played in it.
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Perhaps not to you, but for some people who play the arcs... they will notice. If the rezzed boss is a pain to fight (especially after *another* fight with them - see Valkyrie) you'll see it in dropped ratings, even if you don't get a comment on it.
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Originally Posted by Issen
Rewards for their defeat never played in it.
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I come back to check the thread and we're already at Hitler quotes.
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You think there is no chance of death on a +4x8 ambush farm ?
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Originally Posted by Commander
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Freak farms had all the risk along with the reward. There was a very good chance that you'd die, repeatedly, in the same mission. The player made AE farms are nothing more than "choose the easiest powers to deal with and the minimum amount of powers needed and we can level up and not really do anything." |
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...Then those people obviously aren't the kind of people who appreciate a good story. As someone who intensively roleplays (and thus, find my calling on the Virtue server), I guarantee you none of my stories would see dropped ratings because a tough boss got back up again.|
Originally Posted by Memphis_Bill
Perhaps not to you, but for some people who play the arcs... they will notice. If the rezzed boss is a pain to fight (especially after *another* fight with them - see Valkyrie) you'll see it in dropped ratings, even if you don't get a comment on it.
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Again, if anything, it's part of the STORY, and therefore it should only matter as part of the STORY.
I am actually a bit bitter about the farms because no one actually cares enough to want to run actual story arcs because people either click too fast or don't read the briefings or the clues. I'd really the devs to divide MA arcs into 'Actual Story Content' and 'Farms', with some form of quality control to make sure that the farms DON'T clutter up the list. It's hard to get people to play my stories when no one can find them.
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If it's a SS/Fire Brute, who knows what they're doing? No, there's usually next to no chance of death. And if they do die? Well, there's Rise of the Phoenix.
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Originally Posted by Another_Fan
You think there is no chance of death on a +4x8 ambush farm ?
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1st notice it says custom critters. So freaks are still game, just not sets with little to no def/res, full exp, and a rez.
Secondly, for all you saying: haha this will barely slow us. I wouldn't worry about this change. I'd worry about the future. This is a significant step and Marty is prolly gonna be something you'll eventually curse. This will prolly take your farm speed down like 10%. More than you'd think because it's more than enter/exit slowing you down, but nothing crazy. Future changes on top of this may cripple you though :P.
Don't worry you can always join me farming freaks in PI, or taking on *gasp* more challenging foes sometimes .
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Originally Posted by Issen
I am actually a bit bitter about the farms because no one actually cares enough to want to run actual story arcs because people either click too fast or don't read the briefings or the clues. I'd really the devs to divide MA arcs into 'Actual Story Content' and 'Farms', with some form of quality control to make sure that the farms DON'T clutter up the list. It's hard to get people to play my stories when no one can find them. |
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You are incorrect. How can I say that with 100% assurance?|
Originally Posted by Issen
...Then those people obviously aren't the kind of people who appreciate a good story.
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(A) Look at my signature. See the links to Kheldian lore, the COH background info?
(B) Check various posts, you'll see me griping about how bad the VEAT arcs are.
(C) While not "story," while you're in the guides, note the big block of MA tutorials from its launch. I do care about what happens to the MA.
I obviously care about and appreciate the story.
Yet what I mentioned (Valkyrie sticks in mind for this very reason) ALSO ruins the story for me, and yes, I *would* downrate a story for it and let the author know why.
Golden Girl, you really aren't helping the situation at all...
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Am I? The only reason people would be upset about not getting a reward for a boss getting up the second time is if they care about the reward for beating them. Again, I'm making stories for the sake of making good stories, not because I'm making something for folks to use to suppliment their Inf and XP gains with.|
Originally Posted by Memphis_Bill
You are incorrect.
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Again, I have several arcs where the major villain self-rezzes. Heck in one arc I have a string of bosses Megaman-style who all get back up again (part of the story!) and I can guarantee no one would legitimately complain if they didn't get a reward the second time.
The only people who would complain about a lack of reward are the folks who probably only care about the reward.
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Looks like they found a way to slow down the 1-50 joy some have shared.
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Originally Posted by Not_Rhino
Major blow to farming. Well, not really. Just means people will be going in and out of missions more often. Doesn't that increase server load, and aren't we about to have an influx of new players? Heh.
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Does she ever?
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Originally Posted by Zamuel
Golden Girl, you really aren't helping the situation at all...
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Originally Posted by Issen
Am I?
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You missed the edit (honestly. I added it, refreshed, and this was there,) so let me re-post it to this:
You are incorrect. How can I say that with 100% assurance?
(A) Look at my signature. See the links to Kheldian lore, the COH background info?
(B) Check various posts, you'll see me griping about how bad the VEAT arcs are.
(C) While not "story," while you're in the guides, note the big block of MA tutorials from its launch. I do care about what happens to the MA.
I obviously care about and appreciate the story.
Yet what I mentioned (Valkyrie sticks in mind for this very reason) ALSO ruins the story for me, and yes, I *would* downrate a story for it (edit: once it hits a certain irritation threshhold) and let the author know why.
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I apologize, I didn't see the edit.|
Originally Posted by Memphis_Bill
Yes.
You missed the edit (honestly. I added it, refreshed, and this was there,) I obviously care about and appreciate the story. Yet what I mentioned (Valkyrie sticks in mind for this very reason) ALSO ruins the story for me, and yes, I *would* downrate a story for it (edit: once it hits a certain irritation threshhold) and let the author know why. |
Valkyrie is only an good example because she self-rezzes and then pops her T9 Unstoppable/Strength of Will/etc buff. If you liked a story for everything else, but the final boss of an arc just happened to self-rez, you'd downgrade it just for the self-rez?
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You make a valid point but I hold this topic a bit more personally than most.
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Originally Posted by Memphis_Bill
Does she ever?
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No apology needed, I did mention I fit it in afterward, probably at the same time you were posting. |
Originally Posted by Issen
I apologize, I didn't see the edit.
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| Valkyrie is only an good example because she self-rezzes and then pops her T9 Unstoppable/Strength of Will/etc buff. If you liked a story for everything else, but the final boss of an arc just happened to self-rez, you'd downgrade it just for the self-rez? |
(It's similar to the portal mobs not giving XP - WAY back in issue 3, maybe 4, my elec/elec blaster - nice and squishy - ended up with a pile of demons on a kill-all map. I'd get somewhat close to the "must kill as one of the kill-all mob" portals - verified by a GM - and get hit by a bunch of ranged fire attacks, dying pretty close to instantly. This being when debt actually mattered and we had a nasty content gap in the mid-late 30s... right where I was. That, quite frankly, nearly made me leave the game at that point, it was so irritating and frustrating.)
Short form: Story is important to me, but it does not trump everything.
So rewards do matter. You want AE for your friends exclusive use. Farm missions have not cluttered anything up. It is hard drive storage, there is plenty left. It isnt even sequential access, so the farm dont slow down access. You want the devs to tie a pork chop around your neck to get the dog to play with you. Get this...most of us dont want to play your poorly written "story" arc. We want to advance our toons and try different combinations and builds.
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Originally Posted by hedgehog_NA
So rewards do matter. You want AE for your friends exclusive use. Farm missions have not cluttered anything up. It is hard drive storage, there is plenty left. It isnt even sequential access, so the farm dont slow down access. You want the devs to tie a pork chop around your neck to get the dog to play with you. Get this...most of us dont want to play your poorly written "story" arc. We want to advance our toons and try different combinations and builds.
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I just wanted to emphasize this point. Story almost never trumps gameplay. Many of the greatest games of all time have vapid if any story elements and ar sold completely on the back of the gameplay. Many, many games with great stories are lost to the ages because the gameplay is mediocre, and some games never even get off the ground even with a fantastic story, because of downright poor gameplay.|
Originally Posted by Memphis_Bill
Short form: Story is important to me, but it does not trump everything.
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A direct skewing of risk-vs-reward in favor of risk is always a bad gameplay decision, even if this specific instance is relatively minor. The tragedy is that it's something that has been done before and will almost certainly be done again, without so much as a thought to the consequences.
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Originally Posted by hedgehog_NA
So rewards do matter. You want AE for your friends exclusive use. Farm missions have not cluttered anything up. It is hard drive storage, there is plenty left. It isnt even sequential access, so the farm dont slow down access. You want the devs to tie a pork chop around your neck to get the dog to play with you. Get this...most of us dont want to play your poorly written "story" arc. We want to advance our toons and try different combinations and builds.
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