Discussion: VIP Head Start - Patch Notes for Build 2100.201109170227.1
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Posted on: 2011-09-20 09:08 in News, Events and Announcement Discussion
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Originally Posted by Golden Girl
I have no arcs
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then why do you care? AE was made for player content. you just dont like some of it.
Lots of 50's yada yada. still finding fun things to do.
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Originally Posted by Golden Girl
Anything that makes the AE even the smallest bit harder for PLers is good for the game.
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First, I think that little comic you made was great. Really, I did enjoy it.
But this statement about PLers - there is in fact a problem here.
I have taken an Empath defender to 50. I know struggle. I know strategy. I have well over a dozen level 50s and the trek to 50 is now easier than ever before, even if AE was not even in the game. Power leveling to 50 is not really a good idea for the person that's playing the PL'd toon, nor for anyone that person may team with- if in fact that person doesn't have a basic understanding of the game or how it's played. I can certainly agree with that sentiment.
But to take an action that impacts people that do not PL is an annoyance.
To read a comment such as yours - with the silly emoticon - that's about as close as you can get to trolling, wouldn't you think? I mean, what is your desired result with this comment?
GG, try to realize that there are people who know how to get to 50 without PLing in AE that use AE to aid in getting hard to get recipes. I even turned off xp on my toon. If the devs didn't want the farmers to do this, they'd take away the tickets in the first place.
Attacks on the player base at large, or farmers in particular, or PLers has no place in the forums. You can argue semantics all you wish, but you've made your position clear - clearly mean-spirited.
Shame on you.
"Most people that have no idea what they are doing have no idea that they don't know what they are doing." - John Cleese
@Ukase
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Originally Posted by Ukaserex
Attacks on the player base at large, or farmers in particular, or PLers has no place in the forums. You can argue semantics all you wish, but you've made your position clear - clearly mean-spirited.
Shame on you. |
I certainly did.
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Originally Posted by Golden Girl
Fixing exploits is never totally pointless - but the problem with these AE fixes is that it leaves behind a pile of abandoned farm missions as the exploiters move on to the next exploit they've found, which just clutters up the AE mission list.
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While I'm not a huge fan of PL'ers (hey I've been pl'ed before not going to lie)...it's not an exploit defeating self-rez'ing enemies.
Taking advantage of things to their max/limit isn't an exploit.
I still say that the devs should think about just limiting how much xp you can get in x amount of time. If they just put a hard cap and say, "can only get, let's say, 3 levels during a 24 hour period", bam...pl'ing solved.
But of course that won't happen because there's no way to tell what's from just being on an awesome steamrolling team and a pl.
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Pffft no more so then making fun of trolls.|
Originally Posted by Ukaserex
Attacks on the player base at large, or farmers in particular, or PLers has no place in the forums. You can argue semantics all you wish, but you've made your position clear - clearly mean-spirited.
Shame on you. |
It's like everyone forgot when AE was rolling out the devs said framing AE will be frowned upon and then did mass bannings and roll backs.
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The only game that I can think of that has actually attempted to literally force-implement something like this has been nearly universally panned (being Final Fantasy 14).|
Originally Posted by Energizing_Ion
I still say that the devs should think about just limiting how much xp you can get in x amount of time. If they just put a hard cap and say, "can only get, let's say, 3 levels during a 24 hour period", bam...pl'ing solved.
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There's... you know, gosh, just something that people don't like about paying for something on a monthly basis and then being told that you're only allowed to play it X each day.
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Originally Posted by LISAR
Pffft no more so then making fun of trolls.
It's like everyone forgot when AE was rolling out the devs said framing AE will be frowned upon and then did mass bannings and roll backs. |
Seriously, you're trying to justify openly attacking people based on how they play the game?
@Draeth Darkstar
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If by playing the game you mean blatantly disregarding the developers then yes.
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Originally Posted by Draeth Darkstar
The only game that I can think of that has actually attempted to literally force-implement something like this has been nearly universally panned (being Final Fantasy 14).
There's... you know, gosh, just something that people don't like about paying for something on a monthly basis and then being told that you're only allowed to play it X each day. Edit: Yes. Mass bannings that affected a whole bunch of players that weren't involved, thank you for bringing that up. Seriously, you're trying to justify openly attacking people based on how they play the game? |
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I'm sorry, but I rarely search for things the devs have said, could you provide a link to where a dev has made this opinion public?
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Originally Posted by Golden Girl
And the devs' opinion too
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"Most people that have no idea what they are doing have no idea that they don't know what they are doing." - John Cleese
@Ukase
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Originally Posted by LISAR
If by playing the game you mean blatantly disregarding the developers then yes.
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Get real. If anyone on the development team had half as big a problem with farming as some of you do, they would have made much more drastic changes than they did, and they sure as PANCAKE wouldn't have waited for literal years to do it.
@Draeth Darkstar
Virtue [Heroes, Roleplay], Freedom [Villains], Exalted [All Sides, Roleplay]
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And how well did that work out? let's see...|
Originally Posted by LISAR
It's like everyone forgot when AE was rolling out the devs said framing AE will be frowned upon and then did mass bannings and roll backs.
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- Affected people who weren't involved
- Annoyed the playerbase as a whole
- AE generally left to gather dust by the devs outside of actual exploits like the comm officers and monkey farms.
- Interest in AE falters. Including by formerly-enthusiastic authors.
Since then:
- occasional (rare) bug fix.
- Other bugs (such as the filter) left for some time, breaking regular arcs (but not affecting farms.)
- Dev Choice arcs pretty much not updated in... er... how long? until very recently. (Remember those being talked up as "monthly" so slots would be freed up as a reward to authors? yeah....)
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Oh, and didn't the devs acknowledge, fairly recently (was it one of the "long downtime" uStreams?) that they KNOW they can't stop farming, and only want to stop the over the top ones - probably the same ustream they talked about MARTy with?
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If I made public pool and people were chugging apple juice to take a piss in it I might stop working to keep it nice as well.
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Originally Posted by Memphis_Bill
And how well did that work out? let's see...
- Affected people who weren't involved - Annoyed the playerbase as a whole - AE generally left to gather dust by the devs outside of actual exploits like the comm officers and monkey farms. - Interest in AE falters. Including by formerly-enthusiastic authors. Since then: - occasional (rare) bug fix. - Other bugs (such as the filter) left for some time, breaking regular arcs (but not affecting farms.) - Dev Choice arcs pretty much not updated in... er... how long? until very recently. (Remember those being talked up as "monthly" so slots would be freed up as a reward to authors? yeah....) |
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What? That doesn't make the slightest bit of sense as a reply. |
Originally Posted by LISAR
If I made public pool and people were chugging apple juice to take a piss in it I might stop working to keep it nice as well.
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Quite frankly, using your "analogy," the devs said "what the hell," left the gate open other than to peek in at it every once in a while and maybe twice a year caught some teenagers screwing around in a corner by the fence.
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Ladies and gentlemen, I'm done.|
Originally Posted by LISAR
If I made public pool and people were chugging apple juice to take a piss in it I might stop working to keep it nice as well.
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This poster has broken the glass ceiling. I never thought I'd see the day.
Congratulations, you are officially more ridiculous than Golden Girl.
Good luck if you bother to continue talking sense to these people, Bill. You'll need it.
@Draeth Darkstar
Virtue [Heroes, Roleplay], Freedom [Villains], Exalted [All Sides, Roleplay]
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I24 Proc Chance = (Enhanced Recharge + Activation Time) * (Current PPM * 1.25) / 60*(1 + .75*(.15*Radius - 0.011*Radius*(360-Arc)/30)) Single Target Radius = 0. AoE Non-Cone Arc = 360.
The devs put in the patch notes for the release and I believe in the MOD when Issue 14 went live that AE was not for PLing and farming. People had PL and farm missions ready from beta.
The Devs reacted by use of extreme measures...people responded by continuing to disregard them and even going "I don't know how anyone could think this is looked down upon."
Farmers are tolling the dev's and going "U MAD BRO?"
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PLing to 50 in less than a day is a obvious exploit and against the spirit of the game.
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Originally Posted by hedgehog_NA
then why do you care? AE was made for player content. you just dont like some of it.
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@Golden Girl
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And the devs responded by doing the only *sensible* thing they can do:|
Originally Posted by LISAR
The devs put in the patch notes for the release and I believe in the MOD when Issue 14 went live that AE was not for PLing and farming. People had PL and farm missions ready from beta.
The Devs reacted by use of extreme measures...people responded by continuing to disregard them and even going "I don't know how anyone could think this is looked down upon." Farmers are tolling the dev's and going "U MAD BRO?" |
They look for, and act on, *exploits.* Things that are so FAR out of range (such as the monkey farms, kill-a-spawn-gain-5-levels or whatever it was) that it *is* too much.
They've tried adding timers. That's hurt regular play. (Just ask my earth/FF trying to find the "last damn warwolf" in Shadowhunter's map.)
They've nerfed XP, repeatedly. (See comment of mine a bit up re: my elec/elec blaster and the portal room.)
They've added ranged attacks to mobs.
If they wanted to shut down *farming* completely, they'd have to remove AE, hazard zone size spawns (street spawns being limited to, at most, a group of 5,) and gut most missions, plus get rid of the difficulty choices we were given, forcing everyone to run at 0/0.
I am done with this pancake waffle crepe flapjack nonsense.
NONE of the trolls can adequately explain their venom, hatred or the bile they spew on EITHER side of this debate.
I like the content, the FIRST 10 times... However, there are more than 10 different AT primary/secondary combos available... Even to F2P players!
So, if I want to get that grav/ice hero dominator to 50 and I already have a grav/ice hero controller at 50, who the PANCAKE are you to tell me I can't get it done as expeditiously as possible? Do you pay my subscription? Do you donate time to my play? Do you do ANYTHING other than grief about WAFFLE that means less than nothing?
I want tickets and/or experience and/or prestige and/or influenceamyation™, and I will have them, as much as I can as often as I require. If the game prevents me from acquiring said consumables (admittedly intangible and unreal they may be), and subsequently does it often enough with other topics I care about/enjoy/desire, then I will go away.
Yes, many won't give a flying rat pancake of my passing, but my very tangible and real currency that goes toward the continued existence of the game will evaporate as my subscription expires. And, with me may come 1 or 5 or 10 more. With them more still, and then the only folks left on the deck will be GG and the band playing while she goes down, iceberg in her wake.
This game is the apex predator of Superhero MMOs. Nothing else comes close... It has easily bested the attempts made by everything from also-rans to giants in the industry. However, when you tick off the geeks, even the die hards can, and will, transfer their love, and funds, elsewhere.
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They've also had to take development time to write MARTy who keeps a nice clean log of people who PL and farm. |
Originally Posted by Memphis_Bill
And the devs responded by doing the only *sensible* thing they can do:
They look for, and act on, *exploits.* Things that are so FAR out of range (such as the monkey farms, kill-a-spawn-gain-5-levels or whatever it was) that it *is* too much. They've tried adding timers. That's hurt regular play. (Just ask my earth/FF trying to find the "last damn warwolf" in Shadowhunter's map.) They've nerfed XP, repeatedly. (See comment of mine a bit up re: my elec/elec blaster and the portal room.) They've added ranged attacks to mobs. If they wanted to shut down *farming* completely, they'd have to remove AE, hazard zone size spawns (street spawns being limited to, at most, a group of 5,) and gut most missions, plus get rid of the difficulty choices we were given, forcing everyone to run at 0/0. |
IF they ever decide to do mass bannings and roll backs again it'll be much more surgical.
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And *throttles exploits.* |
Originally Posted by LISAR
They've also had to take development time to write MARTy who keeps a nice clean log of people who PL and farm.
IF they ever decide to do mass bannings and roll backs again it'll be much more surgical. |
Like it or not, it's not an "anti farm" tool. If you farm and get the maximium tickets on a map in a run, they don't care.
It is *anti exploit.*
Read slowly. Farming is NOT an exploit.
Farming is NOT the same as PLing.
Hell, even PLing isn't always bad. I invite you to look at my (somewhat out of date) character list - it doesn't include the (several) characters made since the issue release, or even the current levels of many of them.
Think I *might* be a bit burned out on lower levels? Even with the new stuff? Or be familiar enough with a set I transfer to want to get to where I feel it's fun?
What about the PVPers? Several of them want to get to 50 to have a useful character they can set up for their matches. The PVE content, for some of them, makes ZERO difference.
Yet none of that matters to you, I assume, given the attitude you're showing? All of them can be caught up in your precious banning you seem to want so badly?
Get off your high horse.
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After you.
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Originally Posted by Memphis_Bill
Get off your high horse.
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As I posted on the other thread about this, I am very upset about the disabling of level pacting. My girlfriend and I reactivated our accounts and spent money in the Paragon Market under the assumption that the system of level pacting would remain until the end of the VIP head start.
"During the VIP Head Start, amongst other things accessible to our VIP players, Level Pacts will be available in order to take advantage of the brand new Power Sets that will be released then. However, after the head start has ended, Level Pacts will need to be disabled and new Level Pacts won't be available to anybody until we have been able to revisit the system at a later point."
Emphasis mine.
Because of a vacation on her part we weren't actually able to make all of our characters before the system was prematurly shut off with no visable warning. I understand that the developers are probably planning on adding this to the premium/VIP structure and that is the reason they are disabling it in general. However, there was no reason to disable it before the head start had ended as was originally stated.
Of course, in this thread with all of the arguments over the AE change I doubt anything will come of this post.
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Having fun is against the spirit of the game?|
Originally Posted by Golden Girl
PLing to 50 in less than a day is a obvious exploit and against the spirit of the game.
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Then I think many people are paying to play the wrong damn game.
Or did you mean to say against your spirit of the game?
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I'm not sure how much would have come of it in a thread posted by a red name asking specifically about pacts (hypothetical). I just hope the change means the head start is about over and not the the reason they are disabling LPs was larger then they thought it was.
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Originally Posted by The_Prismist
As I posted on the other thread about this, I am very upset about the disabling of level pacting. My girlfriend and I reactivated our accounts and spent money in the Paragon Market under the assumption that the system of level pacting would remain until the end of the VIP head start.
"During the VIP Head Start, amongst other things accessible to our VIP players, Level Pacts will be available in order to take advantage of the brand new Power Sets that will be released then. However, after the head start has ended, Level Pacts will need to be disabled and new Level Pacts won't be available to anybody until we have been able to revisit the system at a later point." Emphasis mine. Because of a vacation on her part we weren't actually able to make all of our characters before the system was prematurly shut off with no visable warning. I understand that the developers are probably planning on adding this to the premium/VIP structure and that is the reason they are disabling it in general. However, there was no reason to disable it before the head start had ended as was originally stated. Of course, in this thread with all of the arguments over the AE change I doubt anything will come of this post. |
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You're the one going "BAN THEM! BAAAAANNNNNN THEM!" though, at least as an undercurrent. Even though, by the way, in one of those very ustreams they mention they do not want to affect peoples playsytles - INCLUDING farmers. They even took pains to point out a few times that they are NOT aiming this at farmers. |
Originally Posted by LISAR
The dev's set the standard not me.
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What did the devs do? Put in a *throttle.* For *exploits.* (They even gave a somewhat over the top example or two, rather indicating it was going after the extremes.) Which, by the way, was not affecting the farms mentioned - and if anything, from the first mentions coming back, is making the adjusted (non-rezzing) farms *more convenient.*
Now, would you like to try again before calling for another round of bannings, since you obviously *don't* understand the devs standards?
Again, I have several arcs where the major villain self-rezzes. Heck in one arc I have a string of bosses Megaman-style who all get back up again (part of the story!) and I can guarantee no one would legitimately complain if they didn't get a reward the second time.
The only people who would complain about a lack of reward are the folks who probably only care about the reward.
Lots of 50's yada yada. still finding fun things to do.
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