Doctor Who 27/8 (or 8/27)
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Posted on: 2011-08-27 24:05 in Comic and Hero-Villain Culture
Just had a thought. What was the deal with that jacket the Doctor was wearing for the entire episode? In the preview for next week he's back to the tweed...so why the different jacket for this episode? Is it simply a matter of giving the Eleventh Doctor a slightly more varied wardrobe...or something else?
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We will honor the past, and fight to the last, it will be a good way to die...
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In "The Doctor's Wife", he mentioned knowing another Timelord that always had the same tatoo, even over multiple generations, and I believe he mentioned that Timelord swapping genders a couple of times during said regenerations. Awesome episode that one, will have to watch it again.|
Originally Posted by Mr_Samoa
personally I'd love to see something where regeneration resulted in a different gender too, but nevermind that
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Between that episode and this one, we've pretty much confirmed cross-gender and cross-racial regenerations. Always assumed possible, but nice to see direct references to it.
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Wasn't he wearing that formal wear in the first episode of this season? As well as Amy's wedding? Pardon my fuzzy memory.
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Originally Posted by DarkGob
Just had a thought. What was the deal with that jacket the Doctor was wearing for the entire episode? In the preview for next week he's back to the tweed...so why the different jacket for this episode? Is it simply a matter of giving the Eleventh Doctor a slightly more varied wardrobe...or something else?
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Goodbye may seem forever
Farewell is like the end
But in my heart's the memory
And there you'll always be
-- The Fox and the Hound
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Originally Posted by DarkGob
Just had a thought. What was the deal with that jacket the Doctor was wearing for the entire episode? In the preview for next week he's back to the tweed...so why the different jacket for this episode? Is it simply a matter of giving the Eleventh Doctor a slightly more varied wardrobe...or something else?
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I guess Matt Smith actually owns that style of coat, so they wanted to work it into the Doctor's wardrobe.
There is an art, or, rather, a knack to flying. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss. --The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy
An interesting background detail.
Goodbye may seem forever
Farewell is like the end
But in my heart's the memory
And there you'll always be
-- The Fox and the Hound
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He was wearing the formal wear after he came out of the TARDIS, but before that and for the rest of the episode up to that point he was wearing a long jacket.|
Originally Posted by Tenzhi
Wasn't he wearing that formal wear in the first episode of this season? As well as Amy's wedding? Pardon my fuzzy memory.
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But the formal wear thing does raise further questions...
"You don't lose levels. You don't have equipment to wear out, repair, or lose, or that anyone can steal from you. About the only thing lighter than debt they could do is have an NPC walk by, point and laugh before you can go to the hospital or base." -Memphis_Bill
We will honor the past, and fight to the last, it will be a good way to die...
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He probably wore the formal wear because he wanted to use the cane and the formal wear goes with the cane. I can see The Doctor thinking like that.
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Originally Posted by Tenzhi
Wasn't he wearing that formal wear in the first episode of this season? As well as Amy's wedding? Pardon my fuzzy memory.
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Canes are cool.
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Originally Posted by TerraDraconis
He probably wore the formal wear because he wanted to use the cane and the formal wear goes with the cane. I can see The Doctor thinking like that.
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"You don't lose levels. You don't have equipment to wear out, repair, or lose, or that anyone can steal from you. About the only thing lighter than debt they could do is have an NPC walk by, point and laugh before you can go to the hospital or base." -Memphis_Bill
We will honor the past, and fight to the last, it will be a good way to die...
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How so? The only thing that comes to my tired little grey cells is that's probably the tux he'll wear to the Opera we've all heard about and dread.|
Originally Posted by DarkGob
But the formal wear thing does raise further questions... |
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Originally Posted by JKCarrier
I think she was probably joking, but there is precedent for Timelords having some control over their regenerations (see Romana in "Destiny of the Daleks", or K'anpo in "Planet of the Spiders"). The Doctor never seems to, but that might just be because he's always fighting/postponing the process instead of accepting it peacefully ("I don't want to go!").
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My understanding of it has always been that Romana was able to control her Regeneration because she was choosing to regenerate, rather than being forced into it as the Doctor always seems to be.
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Originally Posted by Rodoan
I could have sworn I'd heard years ago on some episode from, oh, Doctors 4 thru 6, that Romana was among the minority of Time Lords who can control their regenerations. The Doctor admitted that he was one who had no control. With the modern series, its pretty obvious with #10 that if he could control his regeneration, he would have, forcing the outcome closest to his appearance and personality.
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Goodbye may seem forever
Farewell is like the end
But in my heart's the memory
And there you'll always be
-- The Fox and the Hound
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Indeed, her regeneration process seemed to take much longer than the Doctor's and there was no sense of urgency.|
Originally Posted by Tenzhi
My understanding of it has always been that Romana was able to control her Regeneration because she was choosing to regenerate, rather than being forced into it as the Doctor always seems to be.
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Think of it like City of Heroes. You want to change your costume? Cool, take as long as you want.
But, say, if you get killed you are forced to pick a new costume... and you only have 5-30 seconds to do it in... and you'll lose your character forever if you don't chose a new costume... you'll probably just hit random and hope for the best.
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That makes a certain sense. I'd always read that Doctor #1 had delayed his regeneration too long (implying there previously would have been a moment of control). And we saw the Master (Derek Jacobi) will himself to become a younger man, though he didn't seem to exert a lot of control on the decision.|
Originally Posted by Tenzhi
My understanding of it has always been that Romana was able to control her Regeneration because she was choosing to regenerate, rather than being forced into it as the Doctor always seems to be.
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(now I'm thinking it again: why couldn't they have kept Jacobi on longer as the Master?
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The answer to that is that the production team wanted him to be the dark mirror of the Doctor, as was the original intention way back in the 70's with the 3rd Doctor. Thus, they needed a young, manic Master to play against the young, manic 10th Doctor.
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Originally Posted by Rodoan
(now I'm thinking it again: why couldn't they have kept Jacobi on longer as the Master?
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So has anyone noticed any oddities of costuming or dialogue yet? Remember last seasons we were shown two time periods of the doctor at the same time and most of use did't pick up on it other than it seemed a bit weird somehow... and then it was shown that it was the doctor traveling backwards through time and that;s why he looked different at those precise moments that intersected with the previous episodes.
I'm still trying to work out if there was any relevance to the Fish Fingers and Custard bit, or if it was just a throwaway reference to the original one.
He seemed to react to it, I thought he'd figured out a surprise way for an antidote, but it wasn't, clearly.
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This is the Moff, we know from last season that changes in costume are significant.|
Originally Posted by DarkGob
Just had a thought. What was the deal with that jacket the Doctor was wearing for the entire episode? In the preview for next week he's back to the tweed...so why the different jacket for this episode? Is it simply a matter of giving the Eleventh Doctor a slightly more varied wardrobe...or something else?
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In this case, we have two. The 3/4 long tweedy coat, which is featured in a number of publicity stills, and the tux.
The coat, I think indicates that several hundred years have passed for the Doctor between this episode and the previous.
The tux, I think will be explained in future episodes. Hypothesis: he went back to the wedding to check Mel's story (eating fish fingers and custard whilst there to resist the poison.)
In the next epsiode, the Doctor will go back to his normal costume, so Amy and Rory don't twig that a lot of time (with River) has passed for him.
Remember they are travelling in opposite directions in time, so many of the Doctor's encounters with River that have been hinted at should have occurred before this first encounter with the "River" incarnation. And it must be a previous, Melody or Mel, incarnation, who shoots the Doctor in Utah, or someone else entirely.
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I am definitely thinking that he did something after he heard "fish fingers and custard" in the Tardis. He had 30 minutes to do something whether it was to visit someone or set something in motion and here is some time missing from when he sent the Tardis off after that segment and when he showed up wearing the suit.
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The Deadly Assassin novelization suggests that one reason the Master has run out of regenerations is he has used some to change his appearance as a disguise.
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Originally Posted by Rodoan
That makes a certain sense. I'd always read that Doctor #1 had delayed his regeneration too long (implying there previously would have been a moment of control). And we saw the Master (Derek Jacobi) will himself to become a younger man, though he didn't seem to exert a lot of control on the decision.
(now I'm thinking it again: why couldn't they have kept Jacobi on longer as the Master? ) |
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Here's an interesting interview with Moffat, done before this episode:
http://www.aoltv.com/2011/08/26/doct...song-matt-smi/
He appears to acknowledge that there's now a lot of wiggle room within established Time Lord rules. He says River is being "poetic" when she says she's meeting the Doctor traveling backwards in time. That strict sequence has already been jumbled up.
But in a general sense, the last time he meets her being her first, likely means she was in the spacesuit as a young girl when she shot the Doctor. Although it appears his 200 year older version is truly dead, she is still trying to kill him later in her subjective timeline when she actually becomes River. So it seems as if the first killing didn't take, or the programming would have evaporated. By circular reasoning, the Doctor lives. hehe.
Time Lords have pills for time-travel conundrum induced headaches.
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Originally Posted by Marsquake
Here's an interesting interview with Moffat, done before this episode:
http://www.aoltv.com/2011/08/26/doct...song-matt-smi/ He appears to acknowledge that there's now a lot of wiggle room within established Time Lord rules. He says River is being "poetic" when she says she's meeting the Doctor traveling backwards in time. That strict sequence has already been jumbled up. But in a general sense, the last time he meets her being her first, likely means she was in the spacesuit as a young girl when she shot the Doctor. Although it appears his 200 year older version is truly dead, she is still trying to kill him later in her subjective timeline when she actually becomes River. So it seems as if the first killing didn't take, or the programming would have evaporated. By circular reasoning, the Doctor lives. hehe. Time Lords have pills for time-travel conundrum induced headaches. |
That "death" that happened at the beginning of the series happened in june or july right?
The death that the little guys were talking about happens in April
So obviously one or both deaths recorded are wrong.
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I wondered at that too, but then remembered that "fish fingers and custard" was what Amy told him to show him he could trust her with his life. Adding that to his secret knowledge of his "death" date, and I think the words were more of a reminder of the promise and a rallying point for him. Amy is, in a sense, his champion now, just as he for her. Or perhaps, to reference Man of La Mancha, she is his "Dulcinea".
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Originally Posted by Dr_Mayhem
I am definitely thinking that he did something after he heard "fish fingers and custard" in the Tardis. He had 30 minutes to do something whether it was to visit someone or set something in motion and here is some time missing from when he sent the Tardis off after that segment and when he showed up wearing the suit.
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Airdate of The Impossible Astronaut was April 23, 2011. Death of the Doctor per the records of the little people was April 22, 2011.
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Originally Posted by Durakken
Another missing thing...
That "death" that happened at the beginning of the series happened in june or july right? The death that the little guys were talking about happens in April So obviously one or both deaths recorded are wrong. |
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Originally Posted by Marsquake
Time Lords have pills for time-travel conundrum induced headaches.
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Just a quick thought/personal theory... Back in Day of the Moon, the Silence were praising Amy because "she would bring the silence" or whatever.
Now if this comes to be true, then surely it will be Amy who asks 'the question' that brings the silence?
Amy grew up with a time crack in her wall, so she can remember people back into the universe. But what if the Silence was a way of making her forget the doctor forever. Perhaps the silence are working on a way for everyone to forget the doctor. "doctor who?" could be the question, but maybe that is too cheesy and obvious 
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