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Are things like Incarnate and IO's unlocked per account or per character? I haven't looked closely enough.|
Originally Posted by Arcanaville
The more I think about them, the less in general I like the idea of time-window licenses for Premium players. I think they only make sense in certain specific circumstances. Unlocking the use of crafting tables, maybe. Accessing the markets, maybe. Things that are, or more correctly can be treated as tangential excursions. AE access for sure. But activating IOs in your build that way seems wrong, because as a general rule those things become part of the character not easy to swap or remove, explicitly by design. And while I have no problem unlocking access to the incarnate trials on a time-limited basis, I'm much more conflicted about turning off what you earn in those trials once you earn them. If it was me, I would probably say you can unlock the trials for a month for a fee, but if you earn an Incarnate power during that month its yours to keep forever. I recognize that can be a gameable policy so its not clear cut, but that's probably where I would fall. As a general principle, I would say that things the players earn in-game through actual gameplay should be permanently usable in *most* cases. There are obvious exceptions for sanity sake. If the reward for running mission X is that it unlocks mission Y, but both X and Y are part of mission content in an unlockable part of the game, then obviously if you temporarily unlock that part of the game when it runs out you might be unable to do Y even after doing X. But progressional rewards in general seem more important to treat as "if the player earns them, they get to keep them" things.
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If they're set up per account I'd change that. I'd set it up so there would be a higher fee, but the Incarnate or IO feature would only be unlocked per character. But permanently on a character.
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As of right now, Incarnates are VIP (subscriber) only, so there is no unlock available for purchase.|
Originally Posted by Dromio
Are things like Incarnate and IO's unlocked per account or per character? I haven't looked closely enough.
If they're set up per account I'd change that. I'd set it up so there would be a higher fee, but the Incarnate or IO feature would only be unlocked per character. But permanently on a character. |
The IO unlock is an account-wide 30-day license. A number of beta testers have suggested adding a permanent, per-character unlock to the store. No word yet on whether this is a possibility.
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Originally Posted by Selina_H
As of right now, Incarnates are VIP (subscriber) only, so there is no unlock available for purchase.
The IO unlock is an account-wide 30-day license. A number of beta testers have suggested adding a permanent, per-character unlock to the store. No word yet on whether this is a possibility. |
Wow, how did I miss this doozie of a thread?
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Ok, so you're saying -- and correct me if I've misread -- that your $15/mo, hereafter referred to as "Subscription", used to get you A, B, C, D, E, F, G and H (hereafter referred to as "Features"). Now that F2P has come along and grants A, C, E, and G for free to anyone who happens to come along, that your subcscription is effectively only covering B, D, F and H and has therefore depreciated.... the monthly subscription, in your eyes, is not as valuable because you're ultimately paying for fewer features?
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Originally Posted by CactusBrawler
Um....
No. No.... and double NO. My complaint is that my subscription now gets me less. The only times I've ever unsubscribed was when I really didn't want to or could not, play. What I would retain, doesn't matter a fig to me, If I unsubscribe, I don't play. But now my sub doesn't cover powersets any more, which is BS, since my sub hasn't reduced in price. |
So, does everyone feel better now?
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Originally Posted by Clouded
So, does everyone feel better now?
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Feel free to try out my AE mission arc, # 473452: Praetorian Redemption
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True story...I won 'Best Hugger' in kindergarten. |
Originally Posted by Valerika
Well, a hug wouldn't hurt...
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This might be completely OT, but I just got back to the game after 2+ years away and had no idea they developed the endgame (there wasn't much of one except for farming for IOs) until I read this rant. Really pumped for Freedom now. Thanks.
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Originally Posted by Clouded
True story...I won 'Best Hugger' in kindergarten.
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Originally Posted by Doko_Ono
had no idea they developed the endgame (there wasn't much of one except for farming for IOs)
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I'm going to have to Sig that >_>
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Originally Posted by Captain_Photon
NOTE: The Incarnate System is basically farming for IOs on a larger scale, and with more obtrusive lore.
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Originally Posted by Zwillinger
GG, I would tell you that "I am killing you with my mind", but I couldn't find an emoticon to properly express my sentiment.
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Originally Posted by Captain_Photon
NOTE: The Incarnate System is basically farming for IOs on a larger scale, and with more obtrusive lore.
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You are forgetting that when the game goes F2P he will be getting a $5 dollar credit in the store and a $10 dollar free server transfer each month which cancels out the cost of his subscription fee.
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Originally Posted by NovaFang
Ok, so you're saying -- and correct me if I've misread -- that your $15/mo, hereafter referred to as "Subscription", used to get you A, B, C, D, E, F, G and H (hereafter referred to as "Features"). Now that F2P has come along and grants A, C, E, and G for free to anyone who happens to come along, that your subcscription is effectively only covering B, D, F and H and has therefore depreciated.... the monthly subscription, in your eyes, is not as valuable because you're ultimately paying for fewer features?
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I really wish I could use those PP somewhere instead of a server transfer. I've used 3 my entire time here at CoH, and that was during the free transfer weekend and just to move 3 shelved 50s to another server (which I probably could have deleted just as easily since I haven't touched them in forever).
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Originally Posted by Forbin_Project
You are forgetting that when the game goes F2P he will be getting a $5 dollar credit in the store and a $10 dollar free server transfer each month which cancels out the cost of his subscription fee.
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I understand what your saying, but I think the free transfers were so overwhelmingly popular that it seemed the obvious choice for the devs to please a majority of the VIP's.
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Originally Posted by Clouded
I really wish I could use those PP somewhere instead of a server transfer. I've used 3 my entire time here at CoH, and that was during the free transfer weekend and just to move 3 shelved 50s to another server (which I probably could have deleted just as easily since I haven't touched them in forever).
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Doesnt DDO charge for races & classes?
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Originally Posted by CactusBrawler
The competion gives subscribers all new 'powersets' for free.
Every hybrid MMO I've played gives subscribers classes for free. |
I don't suffer from altitis, I enjoy every minute of it.
Thank you Devs & Community people for a great game.
So sad to be ending ):
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Well you know that and I know that.... but does the OP?
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Originally Posted by Forbin_Project
You are forgetting that when the game goes F2P he will be getting a $5 dollar credit in the store and a $10 dollar free server transfer each month which cancels out the cost of his subscription fee.
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Yes they do. They have what they call "favor" based races and classes that are unlocked by either earning enough "favor" (farming favor points) or by purchasing them thru the store. |
Originally Posted by tanstaafl
Doesnt DDO charge for races & classes?
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So what happens is the few patient players earn favor to unlock those races/classes while the much larger "gotta have it now" crowd pays cash for them.
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The people on the other side of the discussion are ignoring it because it blows their whole "I'm getting less" argument out of the water.
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Originally Posted by NovaFang
Well you know that and I know that.... but does the OP?
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Originally Posted by Forbin_Project
You are forgetting that when the game goes F2P he will be getting a $5 dollar credit in the store and a $10 dollar free server transfer each month which cancels out the cost of his subscription fee.
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If you pay for a year in advance your subscription costs about $11 a month or so, and you still get $15 worth of free stuff each month.
Plus you'll still be getting powersets for free that others will have to pay for (Time Manipulation). And everyone who has been subscribed for the past 2 months should have 800 points to spend right off the bat, so if you want Beam Rifle right away, you can have it, right away.
I don't understand the "I'm getting less now!" argument at all.
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Originally Posted by Dechs Kaison See, it's gems like these that make me check Claws' post history every once in a while to make sure I haven't missed anything good lately. |
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Originally Posted by ClawsandEffect
Don't forget to mention that if you pay for the game in large blocks that give you a discount per month, THEY are paying YOU to play, essentially.
If you pay for a year in advance your subscription costs about $11 a month or so, and you still get $15 worth of free stuff each month. Plus you'll still be getting powersets for free that others will have to pay for (Time Manipulation). And everyone who has been subscribed for the past 2 months should have 800 points to spend right off the bat, so if you want Beam Rifle right away, you can have it, right away. I don't understand the "I'm getting less now!" argument at all. |
Also the competition's free powersets are nothing more than a mix of existing powers. It would be as if the devs took parts of different melee powersets, put them into one powerset and called a "new set". So that comparison to the competition needs to stop as it's a non-starter.
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Originally Posted by ClawsandEffect
Don't forget to mention that if you pay for the game in large blocks that give you a discount per month, THEY are paying YOU to play, essentially.
If you pay for a year in advance your subscription costs about $11 a month or so, and you still get $15 worth of free stuff each month. Plus you'll still be getting powersets for free that others will have to pay for (Time Manipulation). And everyone who has been subscribed for the past 2 months should have 800 points to spend right off the bat, so if you want Beam Rifle right away, you can have it, right away. I don't understand the "I'm getting less now!" argument at all. |
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Originally Posted by Aura_Familia
Pretty much sums up the thread.
Also the competition's free powersets are nothing more than a mix of existing powers. It would be as if the devs took parts of different melee powersets, put them into one powerset and called a "new set". So that comparison to the competition needs to stop as it's a non-starter. |
Just gonna punch a small hole in the idea that they are paying you to pay. The argument still blows the "I'm getting less!" argument out of the water. Yes you do get $5 worth of paragon points and the free server transfer as part of your monthly VIP sub. However the development cost of the server transfer system has probably been long covered so the payed for transfers are mostly profit. So really they are letting you use something that costs them almost nothing for free once a month. They are not paying, they are just not asking for payment.
None of that invalidates the idea that you are getting more for your subrsciption money. To state that you are getting less is silly. The only way you are getting less is if you unsubscribe in which case once Freedom is released you will still be getting more because unlike before you will still be able to play. Good grief its like complaining about working in an office for $15 an hour when you used to weld at the top of skyscrapers for $15 an hour.
Also if the OP or anyone else is suggesting that as a Premium you should have all the features that a VIP does your either trolling or ignorant of the fact that businesses exist to make money.
Also Also: Some the Rewards in the Paragon Rewards program, the stuff you get for staying subscribed, if I understand it right are feature unlocks, such as access so masterminds, for if you go Premium. As VIPs all ATs, Incarnates, AE and all other content you have access to now is available. This is true for new subscribers and old subscribers. The only things you may have to pay for is new stuff that they put into the store.
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The fact that the development cost has already been paid for isn't relevant. It's a service they aren't making money off of because they are giving it away for free.|
Originally Posted by Crim_the_Cold
Just gonna punch a small hole in the idea that they are paying you to pay. The argument still blows the "I'm getting less!" argument out of the water. Yes you do get $5 worth of paragon points and the free server transfer as part of your monthly VIP sub. However the development cost of the server transfer system has probably been long covered so the payed for transfers are mostly profit. So really they are letting you use something that costs them almost nothing for free once a month. They are not paying, they are just not asking for payment.
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The transfers are more like free coupons that don't expire. The company isn't going to make any money on the coupons but it's gambling that their customers will be encouraged to use the service more often because they're getting something for free.
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