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Sig Arcs aren't something we currently pay for so if we weren't going F2P we'd (subscribers) most likely get them for free anyway. So while they don't fall under the concept of what I was describing about sub fees, they are a good example of what the devs will be doing to entice players to subscribe.
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You also forgot the Signature Arcs we'll get for free. There is supposed to be new Sig Arc's each month and non-VIP's will have to pay $5 for them.
So, for those that use the server transfers, they'll be paying you to play the game. Of course, that doesn't fit in with some people's "I'm getting less!" arguments so it will likely be ignored as well. |
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Both of those examples are also things that have been mentioned before that the other side is ignoring because they totally undermine their whole "I'm getting less!" argument.
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Ah, right.
I keep forgetting about the "This point completely invalidates my argument, so I'm going to pretend it doesn't exist and keep arguing anyway!" mentality of some people.
Kind of funny actually, the argument was lost as soon as that point was brought up, but it kept raging on just as strong anyway.
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Originally Posted by Dechs Kaison See, it's gems like these that make me check Claws' post history every once in a while to make sure I haven't missed anything good lately. |
Last post to say 2 things for all the different versions of "Captain Oblivious" here responding:
1) I'm ignoring this thread because all you are doing is goading for a flame war and missing the blatantly obvious literal meaning of words that are bright white on a blue background(easy to see).
You apparently try to advocate seeing both sides and being objective and considering all facts, but you fail to do so yourselves. Forbin's signature about irony is oddly appropriate considering his/her actions and those of others.
2) "I WANT TO WANT TO SPEND MONEY!"
That is all I have been saying. "I want to WANT to spend money."
I don't want to "need to spend money on things I already paid for".
I don't want to "need to spend money on crap I don't want at all before getting to the stuff I do want to spend money on".
(How far into paragon rewards is invention access? How much stuff that I probably don't even want do I have to get/purchase to reach that point?)
I do not want(DO NOT WANT) "free".
I want "value".
I object to having the invention system unlock so late in the reward tiers, especially considering my veteran status of almost 3 years.
I will not, as a matter of principle and common sense(I'm not spending almost $200 to unlock inventions permanently), spend the money for a monthly "license", pseudo-subscription, for invention access. Doing so would be absolutely stupid unless I were to permanently access IOs very shortly, but $2 per month of guaranteed spending(since everything else would be optional) would take 100 months to unlock the inventions permanently.
Why can't they be fair to customers? Why must things be a blatant grab at as much cash as possible, especially from those that kept the game from dying all these years?
I JUST WANT TO WANT TO SPEND MONEY! That was not a typo.
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I have a right to not pay a subscription when they give me the option.
If they are going to sell me access to a system without needing to pay the subscription then they have to price it fairly. They are not doing this for the invention system and AH access.
Oh yes, I bet you "fanboys" haven't even noticed that premium members can sell on the AH, with a separate invention license to get things to be able to sell as well, before they are able to buy on the AH. I guess you can watch your INF disappear to premium members who can't buy what you sell. Are you happy about that little issue of decreasing supply?
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I have a right to not pay a subscription when they give me the option.
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Although that would mean losing access to the forums to give your feedback, as well as to any beta testing
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1) I think being completely restricted from forums and support, no matter how much you spend, is a dumb thing, especially for any serious bugs that those members will then have no assistance with and thus no desire to pay for a buggy game that treats them as "not worth attention".
Feedback should always be welcome from all and support should always be given for bugs and lost items, especially to anyone who pays any amount of money.
2) I wasn't going to bother with Beta partly because it's all buggy and temporary and a spoiler of the good things when it goes live and mainly because the huge amount of data to download would lay up my entire internet bandwidth for days(at least 24 hours), during which I couldn't play live.
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Originally Posted by T_Immortalus
Last post to say 2 things for all the different versions of "Captain Oblivious" here responding:
1) I'm ignoring this thread because all you are doing is goading for a flame war and missing the blatantly obvious literal meaning of words that are bright white on a blue background(easy to see). You apparently try to advocate seeing both sides and being objective and considering all facts, but you fail to do so yourselves. Forbin's signature about irony is oddly appropriate considering his/her actions and those of others. |
You have access to the beta, you could learn all of this information firsthand, and if you don't want to download the beta client, all of the information is readily available to you on these very forums.
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2) "I WANT TO WANT TO SPEND MONEY!" That is all I have been saying. "I want to WANT to spend money." I don't want to "need to spend money on things I already paid for". I don't want to "need to spend money on crap I don't want at all before getting to the stuff I do want to spend money on". (How far into paragon rewards is invention access? How much stuff that I probably don't even want do I have to get/purchase to reach that point?) |
If you stay subscribed, you do not need to spend any money on anything you already enjoy. VIPs get all of the above as one of the perks for being a VIP. If you must go premium, then you will need to remain subscribed for five months after Freedom launch ($75) in order to still have access to IOs when you go premium.
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I do not want(DO NOT WANT) "free". I want "value". |
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I object to having the invention system unlock so late in the reward tiers, especially considering my veteran status of almost 3 years. I will not, as a matter of principle and common sense(I'm not spending almost $200 to unlock inventions permanently), spend the money for a monthly "license", pseudo-subscription, for invention access. Doing so would be absolutely stupid unless I were to permanently access IOs very shortly, but $2 per month of guaranteed spending(since everything else would be optional) would take 100 months to unlock the inventions permanently. |
So, what are we arguing about again?
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Edit: I have a right to not pay a subscription when they give me the option. If they are going to sell me access to a system without needing to pay the subscription then they have to price it fairly. They are not doing this for the invention system and AH access. Oh yes, I bet you "fanboys" haven't even noticed that premium members can sell on the AH, with a separate invention license to get things to be able to sell as well, before they are able to buy on the AH. I guess you can watch your INF disappear to premium members who can't buy what you sell. Are you happy about that little issue of decreasing supply? |
But I will be happy to spread the influence around, and maybe when those same Premium have all this money that they can't spend, and it is burning a hole in their virtual pockets, they might consider becoming subscribers so they can buy as well as sell in the auction house.
I'm sorry you think the Premium pricing is unfair, but dollars to donuts the pricing structure is as it is to encourage people to become and remain subscribers.
Of course, you can compare what happens when you stop subscribing then to what happens if you stop subscribing now.
If you stop after Freedom launches, you will still have access to the game, Controllers and Masterminds, selling in the auction house, merit rewards, AE (creation and rewards), huge models, medium inspirations, supergroups, chat and gmail. The only things you are losing are access to IOs, buying in the auction house and large inspiration drops.
If you stop subscribing right now, you lose access to everything.
Even if you feel the Premium pricing is unfair, you will be getting a lot more value out of your $0 per month after Freedom launches then you will be getting beforehand.
New story arcs coming soon (ARC IDs will be aded when I finish the arc):
So, you want to join the Hellions? (level 1-14 Villainous arc)
Sparks & Steel (level 5-20 Heroic arc)
and
So you want to join the Skulls? (level 1-14 Villainous arc)
Look at my forum register date. That is more than 3 years.
I am unable to continue subscribing at all times, not to mention not a fan of paying for time that counts down while unused(don't make me go on this topic).
I would have to spend a lot to get invention access, guaranteed, which I can't afford right now and, given the option to pay for content instead of time, would not want to spend that much on content "just to unlock" inventions when I can and should be judging the worth of content and spending money on what I feel I want, will use and is worth the price, signaling to them which content I want to see more of and what prices are worth it.
There is a purpose to a F2P/hybrid model that you "just continue subscribing" people apparently will never understand.
Thus, you can't seem to ever understand my point and should not be arguing for me or against me without that understanding.
You, apparently, won't ever be in the position I am or even understand it.
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Last post to say 2 things for all the different versions of "Captain Oblivious" here responding:
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You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.
ignoring present participle of ig·nore (Verb)
Refuse to take notice of or acknowledge; disregard intentionally: "he ignored her question".
The fact that you have returned once again to post in this thread is proof that you aren't ignoring anything except the facts that refute your argument.
A person who is ignoring a thread leaves and never clicks on it again to see what has been posted.
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So welcome to Wrongville, Population: You.
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Look at my forum register date. That is more than 3 years.
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If you play for one hour / month, then the game costs you $15 / hour. If you play for 8 hours a month, the game costs you $1.88 / hour. At this point, you have gotten far more value out of your dollar by being a subscriber than you get for going to the movies for one night.
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If you only need three more months as a subscriber for IO access, but can only afford to spend $7.50 / month due to financial pressures, then you will have IO access restored in a mere six months, and still only $45 spent. Give me the info I asked for, and I'll give you the scoop.
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If this were a true F2P model, the focus would be different, and much more in line with what I think you are expecting.
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Thus, you can't seem to ever understand my point and should not be arguing for me or against me without that understanding. You, apparently, won't ever be in the position I am or even understand it. |
Feel free to continue your "woe is me" act, but save it for someone else, Bubba, because it won't work on me.
New story arcs coming soon (ARC IDs will be aded when I finish the arc):
So, you want to join the Hellions? (level 1-14 Villainous arc)
Sparks & Steel (level 5-20 Heroic arc)
and
So you want to join the Skulls? (level 1-14 Villainous arc)
@Lightfoot
1) My "won't ever understand" point was directed towards most of the people who have responded to this thread without trying to understand and instead resorting to stupid pictures(a la Forbin above).
2) I know exactly what I will get and what I will lose and I'm ok with most of it.
But like many veterans and future VIPs are upset with prices of things like the enhancement boosters, I am upset with the amount I will need to pay, and how long I will need to wait especially with finances in question, to reach the invention system unlock.
Essentially, it is so far out there that it is no longer an enticement. I'm forced to disregard it and just accept that I won't have that basic system which many others enjoy.
I helped keep this game alive, as best I could with my sad state of finances, because I enjoy it and need some fun in my life(don't any of you other people dare jump on me about my priorities, which happen to be perfectly fine).
I just want a more fair and obtainable way to gain basic systems like the invention system, rather than waiting until I have spent about $200 more(which depends on what they sell and my finances) or spending a repeating fee($2) every month for 8 years or so.
I literally can't continue to subscribe for very long let alone wanting to pay a "rental fee".
It just doesn't make sense for me to continue subscribing or to spend as much as they demand for the invention system unlock.
On top of that, subscription are beginning to look like a horrible option for this game, not because of what they have but because of all the things that will be going straight to the store requiring beyond the monthly allowance worth of spending from VIPs.
Premium members literally and realistically get the better deal, or at least will before too long, simply because they don't have a recurring payment for temporary time.
I'm not just posting my opinions for myself. I'm trying to point out "you'll regret it too" to all these people who claim "I'll be wise with my allowance of points" when the system is built to break down their willpower.
I'm sick of double-dipping by companies. I'm not happy that this one is on the way to that. I'm not happy that they place common and very useful statistical systems(things that make everybody's character better and work behind the veil of graphics) behind a huge amount of money for all new and many existing customers.
This is certainly not fair value for some things like that.
Now, Forbin can say whatever he wants, but I'm going to stop posting here if at all possible, maybe only respond to reasonable people who attempt to civilly discuss, and let people do what they obviously want without goading me into such stupidity.
I said enough for smart people and those who try to understand to go back and read. I am not going to keep repeating myself and reiterating the obvious fact that "this is not fair value, but we customers deserve fair value".
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@Lightfoot
2) I know exactly what I will get and what I will lose and I'm ok with most of it. But like many veterans and future VIPs are upset with prices of things like the enhancement boosters, I am upset with the amount I will need to pay, and how long I will need to wait especially with finances in question, to reach the invention system unlock. |
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Essentially, it is so far out there that it is no longer an enticement. I'm forced to disregard it and just accept that I won't have that basic system which many others enjoy. I just want a more fair and obtainable way to gain basic systems like the invention system, rather than waiting until I have spent about $200 more(which depends on what they sell and my finances) or spending a repeating fee every for 8 years or so. |
You get one Paragon Reward token for every 1200 Paragon Points you buy. 400 points has a street value of $5, so you will get a reward token for every $15 you spend. $200 translates into about 13 Reward tokens.
If you need 13 Reward tokens to get to Tier 7 (21 token), that means you have only recently gotten your 18 month badge (6 Vet badges + 1 box + 1 year = 8; 8 + 13 = 21).
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I literally can't continue to subscribe for very long let alone wanting to pay a "rental fee". It just doesn't make sense for me to continue subscribing or to spend as much as they demand for the invention system unlock. On top of that, subscription are beginning to look like a horrible option for this game, not because of what they have but because of all the things that will be going straight to the store requiring beyond the monthly allowance worth of spending from VIPs. Premium members literally and realistically get the better deal, or at least will before too long, simply because they don't have a recurring payment for temporary time. |
VIPs will be getting a bunch of things for the "recurring payment for temporary time" that Premium players will need to buy.
In order to get what we VIPs have for our subscription fees, Premium players will need to spend $191.50 (actually, a little more, I could not find the price for the monthly Signature story arcs), $9.00 of that will be recurring monthly (monthly Invention, Auction House and AE licenses). If, by some incredible stupidity on Paragon's part, VIPs get nothing new included in their subscriptions, it will take 32 months for Premium players to overtake VIPs on value.
This also assumes that the Premium player doesn't want more character slots than their original unlocks at $6 each or $20 for 5.
So, nearly three years for Premium players to overtake VIPs, and only if they are content with 2-9 character slots and only if VIPs get nothing else in that time that a Premium player might desire.
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I'm sick of double-dipping by companies. I'm not happy that this one is on the way to that. I'm not happy that they place common and very useful statistical systems(things that make everybody's character better and work behind the veil of graphics) behind a huge amount of money for all new and many existing customers. This is certainly not fair value for some things like that. I said enough for smart people and those who try to understand to go back and read. I am not going to keep repeating myself and reiterating the obvious fact that "this is not fair value, but we customers deserve fair value". |
I think we are. You think we are not. In this instance, our mileage definitely varies.
New story arcs coming soon (ARC IDs will be aded when I finish the arc):
So, you want to join the Hellions? (level 1-14 Villainous arc)
Sparks & Steel (level 5-20 Heroic arc)
and
So you want to join the Skulls? (level 1-14 Villainous arc)
You need to fill tier 7 to unlock IOs, not just get to it. Your calculation needs 6 more tokens at least.
And, it doesn't even matter where I'm at, because there are veterans who have fewer months and their will be new players. It's even worse for them, but I guess a little better considering they haven't already spent $400+ on the game, thus they get more for their $400 after Freedom.
You know your biggest mistake?
Every one of you "this system is great" advocates forgets that the subscription is still $15 per month.
"Subscribers get this for free. subscribers get that for free."
Seriously, it's not free when you're paying for it, and you don't even get to keep any of it unless you spend your monthly allowance on it and likely more.
All you're really paying for as a subscriber is the exclusives, which will likely be in the store eventually, but they aren't worth $15 per month forever and ever and ever and ever and ever and ever and ever and ever and ever and ever....
That's the thing about subscription that really sucks. You either pay forever or stop paying and lose stuff.
Yes, right now you lose everything, and Freedom is better than that. But, Freedom still isn't as good as it should be, especially for you constant subscribers who they expect to shell out extra beyond 400PP every month.
I don't even care anymore about what you people say.
I will either be proven right and you will conveniently forget and we'll all suffer, or I will be proven wrong and things will improve for me.
The latter is better, but I can take some satisfaction in the former being a lesson to future game company ventures to "don't be too greedy or you will fail".
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You need to fill tier 7 to unlock IOs, not just get to it. Your calculation needs 6 more tokens.
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You know your biggest mistake? Every one of you "this system is great" advocates forgets that the subscription is still $15 per month. "Subscribers get this for free. subscribers get that for free." Seriously, it's not free when you're paying for it, and you don't even get to keep any of it unless you spend your monthly allowance on it and likely more. All you're really paying for as a subscriber is the exclusives, which will likely be in the store eventually, but they aren't worth $15 per month forever and ever and ever and ever and ever and ever and ever and ever and ever and ever.... |
Here's where I am getting my value:
I pay $11-12 / month (annual plan).
Every month, were I Premium, I would expect to be spending on these things:
Access to inventions ($2.00 value)
Access to Auction house ($2.00 value)
Signature story arc missions ($5.00 value).
I would be spending $9 / month before buying anything else.
Add to that, as a subscriber, I am getting 400 PP / month ($5 value), and I come out ahead on the whole equation.
Plus everything else I will be getting as a subscriber (such as unrestricted access to all 150+ of my characters), and I think we subscribers are making out just fine, thank you.
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Arcanaville had a great post on this in the Beta forums. The ready availability of stuff in the Paragon Market may actually curb some of our spending. If we are in the costume creator, and see a jacket or pair of boots that we like for sale, and it fits perfectly with the costume we are creating right then, we can buy it. If we never find a use for the rest of the costume pieces in the "set," then we will probably not feel the need to buy them until we find we do need them.
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I don't even care anymore about what you people say. I will either be proven right and you will conveniently forget and we'll all suffer, or I will be proven wrong and things will improve for me. The latter is better, but I can take some satisfaction in the former being a lesson to future game company ventures to "don't be too greedy or you will fail". |
The thing is, you aren't going to be able to convince most subscribers that we are getting shafted, because we aren't. Subscribers are most definitely going to be saving money over people who buy the game piecemeal.
If anybody is getting a raw deal, it is Premium players who let their subscriptions lapse. Paragon Rewards will ensure that you aren't getting shafted in comparison to Premium players who start with Freedom, but you are certainly getting a raw deal in comparison to where you were as a subscriber
New story arcs coming soon (ARC IDs will be aded when I finish the arc):
So, you want to join the Hellions? (level 1-14 Villainous arc)
Sparks & Steel (level 5-20 Heroic arc)
and
So you want to join the Skulls? (level 1-14 Villainous arc)
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It sure looked to me like you had your argument prepared, your mind set, and no one was going to persuade you otherwise.
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Every one of you "this system is great" advocates forgets that the subscription is still $15 per month.
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I will either be proven right and you will conveniently forget and we'll all suffer, or I will be proven wrong and things will improve for me. The latter is better, but I can take some satisfaction in the former being a lesson to future game company ventures to "don't be too greedy or you will fail". |
You refuse to acknowledge that 'fair value' cannot be defined in the black and white terms of your personal value system, but that 'fair value' is defined by each of us individually.
I am happy your priorities are in the right place such that you put food and shelter over a video game.
Just because you and a few others want to cry 'Doom!' and hate companies (that are made of people trying to make a living) for making money, does not mean the Freedom system is unfair or wrong, it only means you cannot afford it.
The reason so much derision has been piled upon you in this thread is that you refuse to discuss anything. You are stating that your value judgement is the only right one, that those of us that disagree are stupid and throwing our money away and implying that the company taking that money is morally corrupt, then having the audacity to be upset when people call you out on it.
"The side that is unhappy is not the side that the game was intended to make happy, or promised to make happy, or focused on making happy. The side that is unhappy is the side that is unhappy. That's all." - Arcanaville
"Surprised your guys' arteries haven't clogged with all that hatred yet." - Xzero45
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Sig Arcs aren't something we currently pay for so if we weren't going F2P we'd (subscribers) most likely get them for free anyway. So while they don't fall under the concept of what I was describing about sub fees, they are a good example of what the devs will be doing to entice players to subscribe.
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I believe the F2P model is part of what is supposed to be paying for the Sig Arcs anyway, otherwise we'd have had something like this introduced long ago.
So yeah, they really do fall under the concept of what you were describing about sub fees since you were talking about things that VIP's would get as part of the sub that non-VIP's would have to pay for.
If the game spit out 20 dollar bills people would complain that they weren't sequentially numbered. If they were sequentially numbered people would complain that they weren't random enough.
Black Pebble is my new hero.
How has this thread gotten to 18 pages? Kill it with FIRE!
Can we get a SS/FA Brute out of the AE for a moment please?
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Originally Posted by Lothic
The OP is basically upset that in order to keep everything they have now they are going to have to keep paying for it as we have done for years. As long as you stay subscribed CoH:Freedom should not be removing ANYTHING we have access to now.
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F2P players.. those brand new ones coming in that don't pay a penny get limited access to powersets, two global slots to TRY out the game. Now if they are happy with 2 character total between all the servers and only 8 ATs along with no access to AE or IOs then fine. They also have the option to buy short term licenses to try out those options and the option to BUY certain things by BUYING points in the on line store. The idea is to entice them to eventually subscribe and become VIPS. Premiums are those players that will return when the game goes F2P and get credit for the time they spent as paying customers. They get less then we do as VIPS but still get more than a brand new F2Per.
Sounds like the OP was assuming that he could stop paying and continue to get everything he used to pay for. AND how exactly is that fair to those of us that plan to continue to pay monthly. I think Dark Gob put it best.. "When you go .. can I haz your stuff"
�We�re always the good guys. In D&D, we�re lawful good. In City of Heroes we�re the heroes. In Grand Theft Auto we pay the prostitutes promptly and never hit them with a bat.� � Leonard
�Those women are prostitutes? You said they were raising money for stem cell research!� � Sheldon
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I think Dark Gob put it best.. "When you go .. can I haz your stuff"
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I do have a couple of querstions:
How will Freedom affect expansion packs I've already bought?
Presuming I want a majority of what is in a pack, would it be better to get it now, or wait and buy it in the store after Freedom starts?
NCSoft, Please reconsider your decision to close down CoH. It has an extremely loyal following and enjoys a great amount of free support from the larger community.
I invite everybody to add the above image to your signature as a petition to reverse NCSoft's decision.
I invite everybody to add the above image to your signature as a petition to reverse NCSoft's decision.
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The reason so much derision has been piled upon you in this thread is that you refuse to discuss anything. You are stating that your value judgement is the only right one, that those of us that disagree are stupid and throwing our money away and implying that the company taking that money is morally corrupt, then having the audacity to be upset when people call you out on it.
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This was very much a case of "I'm right, nothing you say will convince me otherwise, and you're all stupid for not seeing how right I am."
And it got every bit of derision it deserved.
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Price of one pizza per month is really nothing and for me this all means just some free boosters. We are not living in the Federation of Star Trek so we have to pay things. That free part of this all is just for get new players and hope that some of them want to buy something with real money. Same startegy works great in some other games. I didn't toughed even one second that it can be anythin else.
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Prunejuice is warriors drink.
Okay, this thread and a few others state or imply that when Freedom launches, you will be forced to spend more than your subscription in order to get the same value as you currently receive for your subscription. I decided, therefore, to go back and look at the announcements for every issue ever released since the game's launch on April 28th, 2004.
As of yesterday, the game has been live for 88 months. In that time, only 11 new powersets have ever been added. This does NOT include the powersets added when the Epic Pools were added because that was part of a new game mechanic. It also does not include the powersets that were added with CoV or Going Rogue because they were not added as part of your normal subscription, they required an additional purchase.
This means, that they have only introduced, on average, one new powerset every 8 months. Using your monthly VIP stipend, that means in order to get the same value as you currently get for your subscription, you would be spending, on average, 100 points a month (based on the current Beta prices). That leaves an additional 300 points per month for costume parts or even MORE powersets or other goodies. Even MORE points if your Paragon Rewards tier is high enough.
Now sure, it's possible they will introduce a new powerset every single month, and you won't be able to buy all of them. Even if you don't buy every single one, you will still be able to get many more than you currently receive with your subscription. It is mathematically impossible for you to get less value than you already get unless they completely stop introducing any new content at all.
- Garielle
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Originally Posted by Frosty_Femme
I said "ur" which is not a word. It's a sound dumb people make when you ask them to spell out "you are".
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Bingo.
This was very much a case of "I'm right, nothing you say will convince me otherwise, and you're all stupid for not seeing how right I am." And it got every bit of derision it deserved. |
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you idiots from that thread obviously couldn't resist opening up with the standard fanboy "can I have your stuff" and "this is all gumdrop dreams and candy coated reality" instead of objectively looking at it while also trying to be real customers trying to get as much value for your money as you can. (Edit: deleted a bunch of blah, blah, blah about him wanting to spend money - Forbin) I am Captain Obvious and you are Captain Oblivious. Do you understand now? (I did some more editing - Forbin) I just "love" people and programs that can't even see their own blatant incorrectness and hypocrisy and instead blame everything on the user/others. |
So, for those that use the server transfers, they'll be paying you to play the game.
Of course, that doesn't fit in with some people's "I'm getting less!" arguments so it will likely be ignored as well.
If the game spit out 20 dollar bills people would complain that they weren't sequentially numbered. If they were sequentially numbered people would complain that they weren't random enough.
Black Pebble is my new hero.