Discussion: Paragon Rewards program details
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Posted on: 2011-07-21 13:18 in News, Events and Announcement Discussion
Going forward you get 1 token/month
For the initial slug its one per vet badge (3 months).
So you should get ~30 for the current time and 1-2 more by the time Freedom launches.
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Oh, crud. Okay, so one or two shots of 1200 points will put me at VIP Tier 9.
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Originally Posted by Catwhoorg
Going forward you get 1 token/month
For the initial slug its one per vet badge (3 months). So you should get ~30 for the current time and 1-2 more by the time Freedom launches. |
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How many tokens to get to tier 9?
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From everything posted/announced, a good guess would be 33/34 tokens. Tier 8 will be filled with the 33rd token. Tier 9 starts with the 34th token.
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Originally Posted by Hercules
How many tokens to get to tier 9?
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1 token per vet badge, +1 per every 4 vet badges. I could hit Positron for complicating this with his formula. There are times when math gets in the way, and this is one of them.|
Originally Posted by Silver Gale
Okay, so... I celebrated my sixth anniversary in game this June, never lapsed (well, no more than three days)... 13 tokens per year for six years is 78 tokens, plus 4-5 by the time Freedom launches... and it looks like I have to spend 33 tokens to get at the Tier 9 stuff... So I can get Celestial stuff on Day 1 without buying any Paragon Points? Someone correct me if I'm missing something.
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Originally Posted by Catwhoorg
Going forward you get 1 token/month
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Originally Posted by Black Pebble
What is a Reward Token?
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Originally Posted by Silver Gale
Oh, crud. Okay, so one or two shots of 1200 points will put me at VIP Tier 9.
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After Issue 21 launch, you will earn 1 token a month (if you subscribe), 1 token next June (if you continue to subscribe until then), and 1 token for every 1,200 Paragon Point you buy (not the stipend).
Handy chart, the red numbers are the bonus token for each year:
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This should give everyone a rough idea where they will place in the Paragon Rewards program when Issue 21 launches.
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Tier 9 VIP Tier 9 status + being a current subscriber. Tier 9 84+ Month Veteran Rewards players. Tier 8 66 - 81 Month Veteran Rewards players. Tier 7 48 - 63 Month Veteran Rewards players. Tier 6 33 - 45 Month Veteran Rewards players. Tier 5 21 - 30 Month Veteran Rewards players. Tier 4 12 - 18 Month Veteran Rewards players. Tier 3 6 - 9 Month Veteran Rewards players. Tier 2 Premium Players, 3 Month Veteran Rewards players. Tier 1 Free to Play players that have not purchased anything.
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So two or three batches of 1200 PPs. Well, there'll probably be costume slots and things that I'll want to buy in the store.
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Originally Posted by Snow Globe
If Freedom launched in June, you would have the 72 month Vet reward. That would get you 30 Reward Tokens at that point. If Freedom launches before your next Veteran Reward, you need 3 tokens to fill up Tier 8. If it launches in September (after your next vet reward) to November, you would have 31 Reward Tokens (2 tokens to fill up tier 8).
After Issue 21 launch, you will earn 1 token a month (if you subscribe), 1 token next June (if you continue to subscribe until then), and 1 token for every 1,200 Paragon Point you buy (not the stipend). |
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My two cents.
I am dissapointed.
The benefits of Tier 9 VIP is way beyond the normal benefits we could have gained from being a Veteran. In the past these were nice to have but they were not unbalancing that much (though sands of MU etc came close) I had been expecting to see a VIP treatment to ALL paying players, not just to those who have been here 7 years.
It feels like a blow for somebody like me who has been here a long while only to see that suddenly those who have been here a bit longer get very very very big advancements like uber IO's that will be the new must haves.
I already pay for this game. I am unhappy that I NEED to pay more to be at the same levels as other players. I pay a monthly fee and I expect to have the same benefits as everybody else who pays that fee.
So yes, I am unhappy.
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If you have less than someone else, then it is because they have been paying their monthly fee longer, and therefore have spent more money. So you're not going to have to pay more than they pay to get what they have - in fact, you'll be paying less than they have because you're going to catch up to them a lot faster under this new system than you would have under the current system.
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Originally Posted by Gunbunny
I pay a monthly fee and I expect to have the same benefits as everybody else who pays that fee.
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After Issue 21 launches, you will get higher tiers for three times less money than long term veteran players. A new subscriber will pay 3 times less money for the same rewards than a long term player.|
Originally Posted by Gunbunny
I already pay for this game. I am unhappy that I NEED to pay more to be at the same levels as other players. I pay a monthly fee and I expect to have the same benefits as everybody else who pays that fee.
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And the word you are looking for is "WANT", not "NEED". You WANT to be at the same levels as other players, you don't NEED to.
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The paragon points image put up on the recent news lists time manipulation as a power for defenders, corruptors and masterminds.... not controllers???
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Originally Posted by Malakim
The paragon points image put up on the recent news lists time manipulation as a power for defenders, corruptors and masterminds.... not controllers???
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I wish I knew what those uber must have IOs were going to be. So far, haven't seen them yet.
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Originally Posted by Gunbunny
It feels like a blow for somebody like me who has been here a long while only to see that suddenly those who have been here a bit longer get very very very big advancements like uber IO's that will be the new must haves.
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Originally Posted by Snow Globe
After Issue 21 launches, you will get higher tiers for three times less money than long term veteran players. A new subscriber will pay 3 times less money for the same rewards than a long term player.
And the word you are looking for is "WANT", not "NEED". You WANT to be at the same levels as other players, you don't NEED to. |
As I said, the veteran rewards used to be an nice addition. Making life a bit easier for the Veteran. Sometimes as good as a nifty power or costume pieces. Other times just 5 merits or so.
It was nice to have but that is all.
The things that level 9 VIP players get is on a totally other scale. It is not similar to the 'old' veteran rewards.
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The things that Tier 9 VIP players get to choose from are:|
Originally Posted by Gunbunny
The things that level 9 VIP players get is on a totally other scale. It is not similar to the 'old' veteran rewards.
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- Consumeable items (that can be purchased from the store if you want them)
- Celestial Armor costume bits
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Originally Posted by Gunbunny
As I said, the veteran rewards used to be an nice addition. Making life a bit easier for the Veteran. Sometimes as good as a nifty power or costume pieces. Other times just 5 merits or so.
It was nice to have but that is all. The things that level 9 VIP players get is on a totally other scale. It is not similar to the 'old' veteran rewards. |
So far all we've seen of the Tier 9 VIP rewards are "nifty costume pieces" (Celestial Set I, Celestial Set II, Celestial Set III). I fail to see the difference between the Celestial Set and any other costume reward other than the "ooh shiny" effect. There are 4 path auras in the Paragon Rewards table (replacing/expanding other vet rewards): One in Tier 6, one in Tier 7, two in Tier 8. The GR enhancements are being added to Tier 7 as well.
The other tier 9 choices (Signature Summon, Windfall, XP Boosters, Unslotters, and Enhancement Boosters) are available to anyone that has unlocked Tier 9, or from the Paragon Market. Even those Tier 9 claims are only 1 per reward token. Personally I'll probably not spend the reward tokens on the consumables often though.
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Paragonwiki has the above slide in text for easier reading:
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Orange are the other new Reward choices.
As you can hopefully see, other than the look, there is nothing that is on a "totally different scale" for Tier 9 VIP.
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Thanks for the quote from paragonwiki. It sure makes things more clearly then the picture did.
A bit surprised by the small difference between tier 9 and tier 9 vip.
However, the differences bewteen Tier 9 (vip or otherwise) and the lower tiers is big.
This is not the way I would have prefered to see things implemented. I would have prefered that every VIP had been given the same access. Of course longterm players would have had more goodies to start with but every VIP should have the same opportunities to get the new shinies. So for now, I will remain negative about this part of the F2P transition.
I know someone asked it earlier, so information from the uStream:
For the people that have multimonth subscriptions already, wondering what will happen on switchover: They don't actually know at the moment, but will research and get back to us on it.
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As far as has been revealed, XP Boosters, Windfall, Unslotters, and Enhancement boosters are available for purchase on the Paragon Market by everyone. Yes, Tier 9 players (both VIP and Premium) can get them with Reward Tokens. |
Originally Posted by Gunbunny
Thanks for the quote from paragonwiki. It sure makes things more clearly then the picture did.
A bit surprised by the small difference between tier 9 and tier 9 vip. However, the differences bewteen Tier 9 (vip or otherwise) and the lower tiers is big. |
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Originally Posted by Gunbunny
This is not the way I would have prefered to see things implemented. I would have prefered that every VIP had been given the same access. Of course longterm players would have had more goodies to start with but every VIP should have the same opportunities to get the new shinies. So for now, I will remain negative about this part of the F2P transition.
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In other words, new players have more, not less, opportunities to get the new shinies faster than I did, and only spend 1/3 as much as I did.
Every VIP (and premium account that buys enough) will have access to reward tiers 1-9. The only "walled-off" area is the Tier 9 VIP where you have to be a VIP to access.
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I like the idea as I have never liked the veteran reward program because it was too exclusive of new players. If they saw someone with a 70 week reward (random example number), instead of encouraging them to maintain their subscription it did the exact opposite since it felt impossible to reach 70 months (plus there would be 70 more months of rewards you would still be missing).
The new system allows you to choose rewards and if you are really desperate you can purchase items giving you additional tokens.
Unslotters are exactly what I have needed for so long I want to cry. Enhancers and Signature Character summoning are just cruel abuse they are so good.
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Hey folks! The Veteran Reward power that I have been looking forward to most is the 60-month travel-power unlock. It is not included in the Paragon Rewards program at all as far as I can see.
Devs, is there any chance that this is going to be rotated through the Paragon Rewards system?
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I do not know this one offhand, but is it the one where you could select the third travel power in a group (without prerequisites) at level 6?|
Originally Posted by chaetophile
Hey folks! The Veteran Reward power that I have been looking forward to most is the 60-month travel-power unlock. It is not included in the Paragon Rewards program at all as far as I can see.
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If so, i21 changed so that everyone can do that at level 4.
Ah, and so it is.
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Originally Posted by Gunbunny
I am dissapointed.
The benefits of Tier 9 VIP is way beyond the normal benefits we could have gained from being a Veteran. In the past these were nice to have but they were not unbalancing that much (though sands of MU etc came close) I had been expecting to see a VIP treatment to ALL paying players, not just to those who have been here 7 years. |
T9 has exclusive costume pieces, but vets have always gotten exclusive costume pieces. Plus, those can't be unbalancing.
Other than that, T9 gets some recipe slots and some limited use powers. T8 had much better bonuses than T9. Inner Inspiration and the self rez are incredible, but I'm sitting on 2 tokens and not a damn thing in T9 that seems worth it. If you've got some big secret, then please share.
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My issue with this reward tree is, that people CAN get T9 VIP in one day.|
Originally Posted by Rodion
In the Ustream one of the presenters said something to the effect of, "Long-time vets don't like it if newbies can get stuff they have. They want people to pay their dues and not get the remote auction house on day one."
As a long-time vet, I don't feel that way. I don't need to repress others so that I can feel superior. If they pay their money they should be able to get whatever they pay for. I can sort of understand the sentiment that vets had to accept years worth of "filler" rewards (respecs, costume change tokens -- I've got more than 80 costume changes on some characters, etc.) while waiting for the one or two decent rewards that came out each year. But as long as I get to keep everything I already have, I don't really care if someone else can get all the same stuff I have by paying the same amount of money in one day that I paid over seven years. Because in the future I'll be able to skip over the stuff I don't care about and get only those things that do interest me. |
This is designed for people with money. If you make an account today, buy a year of time, you'll get 12 tokens. Also, for every $15 spend on Paragon Points, you'll get a token. Meaning a new player, who pays a year time, and spends $100 on Paragon Points the 1st day he plays, will get 12+6=18 tokens. Meaning this person has more tokens than a current 2 year vet, who has 10, or 11 if he's lucky. Meaning the new player is rewarded for his money spending, while the 2 year vet who has been loyal to the game, and might not have the money to throw away at the game is left with a very bad taste in his mouth.
I really didn't mind the old reward, wait like EVERYONE else. But this new system makes me very angry.
Also, how are the new 1 year veteran badges counted?
Is it from the date you created your account? Is it time paid? it's not stated ANYWHERE. Why do people who left the game 5 years ago, came back as a premium player, have more reward tokens than the current players, and are listed as being veterans even for the time they were not online and paid.
In my honest opinion... This new system is unfair to the people who don't have the money to throw away, while it rewards the rich people.
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Okay, so... I celebrated my sixth anniversary in game this June, never lapsed (well, no more than three days)... 13 tokens per year for six years is 78 tokens, plus 4-5 by the time Freedom launches... and it looks like I have to spend 33 tokens to get at the Tier 9 stuff... So I can get Celestial stuff on Day 1 without buying any Paragon Points? Someone correct me if I'm missing something.
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