Known Issues [Live]

if you could actually DO ANYTHING ELSE while waiting in the queue i would not mind a 5 minute wait.

Until you can enter missions and do other things while waiting, NO, just NO to a 5 minute timer.

One compromise is this:

Once the league is AT MINIMUM, a timer starts: 2 minutes until the raid starts. The TIMER is VISIBLE to all. Once a person joins 30 secs are added to the timer up to 5 additional people. Once 5 additional above the minimum are added the time timer no longer adds time and starts counting down.

EDIT: Also the bonus for using the Open League system needs to be more than an Astral, when I can just hop onto Pocker D and start a trial with not nearly the same amount of wait as the Open system.

Please please please Avatea, tell me that the "getting kicked from leagues over about 19" bug is getting looked into. It's getting INSANELY anoying, especially given that it used to work fine.

Best PatchNotes I've seen in ages!!!

I am SO glad the iXP is an actual bug and not WAI...some of us were worried

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Originally Posted by Snow Globe 5 minutes is far too long. The developers AND the community team have completely failed and abandoned their responsibility to explain how the league functions work. The lack of documentation of new features has happened far too often, and in the case of the league buttons, was commented on many times in the Issue 20 pre-beta. That we are into Issue 20.5 without the documentation is a joke. Then again the same thing, to a lesser degree, has happened with the search window (there should be a legend explaining what the different colors mean in game, preferably in the search window itself).

Yup. I take the time to learn new systems when there is some kind of instruction, and I know buried in someone's guide somewhere is a list of what the searchcolors mean, but with so many, to me..and most people it's just "oooo pretty colors" lol.

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Originally Posted by Another_Fan after half an hour to get a league together another 5 minutes is over the top. You aren't going to have a swarm of people decide to join the queue in five minutes, after they have already missed broadcast advertisements and global channel requests

lol true

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Originally Posted by Snow Globe You cannot continue to invite to the league while in the queue, so instead of helping to get a larger group, you have to twiddle your collective thumbs after sitting for up to 30 minutes trying to attract enough interest in a trial... After 30 minutes, another 5 minutes where no one else shows up is completely unreasonable.

lol again, also very very true.

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Not sure if it helps, but I've been on enough runs now where I've been able to watch the players come in and get kicked out on large leagues that the pattern has become fairly obvious.

There seems to be 2 alternative events: either team 1 and team 2 start by filling relatively normally, or team 2 and team 3 do, with team 1 having a single member. A few individuals also spread out singly to teams 4, 5, 6 (and 3 in the former event). Once either team 2, or in the second case, team 3, gets to 7 members, you can watch as the remaining members pop into spot 8 momentarily, then get dropped. (Note the "19" total slots at this point, 8+7+1+1+1+1). The messages that display (almost simultaneously) if you happen to be on that team are:

--Player-- has joined the team.
--Player-- has left the team.

On the player's side if being dumped at trial start in this manner, you see the typical loading sequence, then (usually) a very brief mapserver notice at the very end of that sequence, and you get dumped back to wherever you were prior to starting the trial. Additionally, you are unable to rejoin the trial, as if you never joined to begin with... this is unlike when DCing during the trial.

I have had some small success in preventing league members from getting kicked in this way by moving the people from teams 4-6 into a lower team slot before reaching the problematic total. Of course, that's only possible when I successfully retain league leadership through the loading process, which seems to be a 50/50 proposition at best. Particularly in the BAF trial, where a single league member moving in too soon can kick off the cutscene preventing such action, this is not a very viable workaround, but it can work if you're on the ball. (Yes, the Keyes is the same way, but it's not so well known on my server that people generally charge ahead on their own... plus the first target group is already visible.)

Neither locking the teams nor the trial seems to have much impact on this sequence of events.

Presumably whatever algorithm is used to re-populate the league after initiating the trial zone and moving people to it is what needs tweaking here. It's worth noting that I have never seen it do any of this when _leaving_ a trial, only upon entering. Not sure if that's a function of the more piecemeal exiting that usually takes place, or what.

Hopefully such observations are of use. Good luck...

As for the debate regarding the TuT/LFG functionality, open trials, and 90 seconds vs. 5 minutes waiting time... the amount of time is meaningless without an ability to communicate and get feedback. You could make it 10 minutes or 10 seconds, and it will have the exact same impact. The meaningful change would be additional functionality, not what integer is set for the timer limit.

The reason people are congregating in specific zones and filling leagues via global chat channels is because that is what _works_. You can gauge the level of interest, provide meaningful progress updates on formation to both league members and the wider community, and prompt for additional participation on a regular basis with some assurance that _someone_ is actually seeing it. All of these elements are key.

Both the old Find Team Member functionality and the new LFG almost completely lack any of this, and are therefore of marginal use at best. For my part, unless I am actually pulling together a trial league, I ignore the LFG menu item... it's useless to me. Even if I am pulling one together, it's only use is to initiate the trial... frankly, you could achieve much the same impact by multi-purposing the radio/newspaper Contact.

My two cents...

Great post, Magenta. You definitely hit the nail on the head.

I was hoping to see something in the works for a fix where people are randomly getting kicked out of leagues and when they get back to RWZ and try and 'rejoin event in progress', they can't get back in.

I am wondering if the league kick bug will become a known issue, leagues over 19 are having members kicked at random during the initial zone into the map as well as having members scattered and scrambled to include leadership being reassigned.

Avetea have you guys looked into that bug?

There's a workaround for this one:

It seems as if the developers either a) haven't been reading bug reports, or b) don't consider it a major issue, as the problem with running consecutive AE missions (currently on a taskforce) isn't listed here... yes, there's a workaround, but it's still a bug...

still having issues with league function not performing as intended there are still people being dropped and teams being scrambled during loading of the trial, i dont think that was the way it was intended to work. also zoom is not functioning properly on the tailor since the patch

On team mates code figured I would chime in Since I do program for MMOs games on the side. Seems to me that the packet to update the team when a member enters a map or zone, is not being sent to the other clients.

Passing the star's code is working as intended cause its forceing the update packet to be sent to all clients. I would suggest looking at the Zoning code to see if the code for the updates has been altered by mistake.

Something I didn't see listed in the known issues and I'm wondering if anyone else has experienced is under costume bugs:

Lately, the zoom in feature is wonky. Like if I have face selected and hit zoom in, I hear the usual sound effect and the zoom button turns from a + to a -, but it doesn't actually zoom in. Then when I go to, say, bottoms, the model will zoom in on the face.

I didn't have to do anything special to get this to happen and even tried restarting my game and computer. The glitch is still there. :\

Was planning on reporting the bug via the in-game bug report, but wanted to wait a few days. And today, it won't let me log in at all as though there is server maintenance, even though the website says the servers should all be up. But that's something I figure won't be an issue a few hours from now as that's happened once or twice before.

Hey, thanks for the reply! Cool. Glad to hear!