"Too few players to continue". What's going on?

How many were in the hospital at the time? How many were in the process of mapserving?

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Rejoining a trial is supposed to work, but is finicky. Sometimes you can get back in, sometimes you can't.

A minimum number to start is sufficient to communicate to normal people that something is meant to be done on a team of a particular size. If crazy people want to fill to start, they're aware of the difficulty. Creating limits to discourage them won't work - they can just find people willing to door-sit. They're already thinking about ways to get around the rules.

The only people hurt by this are normal players.

None and none. All 11 players were just fine working on the bunkers.

This. 1000 times this.

LET US START AND FAIL WHATEVER CONTENT YOU CREATE.

Minimum teams sizes have always been stupid. They are stupid now. They will always be stupid.

LET YOUR PLAYERS FAIL AND MAKE BAD DECISIONS. Losers don't deserve trophies.

While on that topic, reopen the flight and teleport pools to kheldians. If some tool chooses flight pool: fly on a peacebringer that already has energy flight at level one, that's his problem.

Actually, that's how the game defines it, and it's a bit weird about it. See, the "team" is a concept completely separate from all of the players on it, and the game automatically disbands your team when you're the last person left in it, I assume so as not to require the last person to quit... Himself? However, whether you're on a team or not is pretty easy to tell - can you chat in the Team channel? If not, you are not on a team. If you can, you ARE on a team, even if you're the only person in it.

Whenever two people join up together or a single player uses the "Select Mission" function, the game assigns a team to the player(s) involved, in much the same way as a TF contact assigns a TF Name. Anything attached to this team remains attached to it even if the people who caused it left. That's why you can have a Khelidan join a team, play a mission and leave, but everyone else will be fighting Voids and Quantums for the rest of the nigh - because the TEAM got tagged to spawn them, and will not lose that tag unless it is disbanded.

Similarly, if a team selects an active mission, then the mission owner quits and goes to do it, so long as that mission hasn't despawned, the "Mission Complete!" message will still go to the TEAM and the owner will get no fanfare. That's because the team owns the mission. The actual mission owner player is just allowed to enter it because it's his own, but the mission still completes for the team.

I'm pretty sure TFs are simply tagged to disband when they go down to a single person the same way a regular team disbands. I don't think this is necessarily a precedent for enforcing any sort of minimum player requirement, just a precaution so as to not let a single player try to solo the thing if the rest of the players quit.

Originally Posted by Arcanaville Samuel_Tow is the only poster that makes me want to punch him in the head more often when I'm agreeing with him than when I'm disagreeing with him.

Yep, I agree with you, and I think this should apply to Task Forces also. I'm so sick of people in global channels asking for fillers to help them start a TF like Manticore that has an arbitrarily high minimum needed to start. And if someone needs to go to bed in the sixth hour of a Dr Q TF....well them's the breaks. The devs need to stick to their guns or them dirty soloers will be making it impossible for everyone else to get a team for anything. Doom and stuff.

But seriously though...je-saist, you've totally outdone yourself with this post. This level of wrongness will be hard to top.

I'm really trying to find a reason as to why you'd put limits when creating teams/task forces/trial leagues...

and the best I can come up is a mere imitation of this (yes, even the part about kheldians -hell, why not add the EPP into this as well?).

Oh, and this
Seriously, I'm trying real hard to be for these limitations... I just can't find any reason, at all.

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I chat in team chat while solo all the time. Usually when I first log on to a character, it will say the 'you are not on a team' thing if I type anything in team chat, but after a while it opens up even though I'm still solo. Always figured it was a bug.

Edit: further reading = ah hah! Okay.

I can see where it would just be a "dumb decision" with PBs grabbing flight, but Warshades grabbing flight or teleport pools on the other hand could have a slightly more profound effect. Especially with the latter case. think about it: teleport spammed to new levels, recall foe spam...

Actually, it would be pretty damn kickass. where can I sign for this?

Originally Posted by Samuel_Tow City of Heroes is a game about freedom of expression and variety of experiences far more so than it is about representing any one theme, topic or genre.

Wrong, wrong, and severly wrong. Along with the points that other folks have already made in the thread, the level of strength your Incarnate is and your knowledge of the Trial can pull far more weight than other up-and-coming Incarnates. I know my main Incarnate does extraordinarily more in a Trial than my newly minted Incarnates. It should be up to the League if they want to continue onward or abandon - and if it's an Open League, more players can join in via LFG queue mid-Trial.

First time I rolled up a Warshade at level 6 I instinctively reached for the Fly pool for Hover. I find it really annoying to use TP without having hover. Really, really annoying dropping out of the sky like a limp rag cause my pc lags or my reflexes seize or my attention falters for a split second... (tiny rant)

So imagine my disdain when I found I was unable to pick the pool. For the life of me I couldn't imagine why it was made that way. Yeah I could accidently double up on travel powers but...

I'd gotten so excited to play a MFing warshade but was so dissappointed by this. I still hadn't figured out why it was like this. Until the post above reminded me that PvP still exists and as such has to be balanced around. Bah...

Sorry je_saist, but wrong again.

With the client being only slightly more stable than a house of cards in a wind chamber, and the fact that the trials are KNOWN to mapserve with a regularity that metamucil can't guarantee, auto-failing a trial by going below an arbitrary population (to stop the "I solo'ed/duo'ed this Trial" runs most likely) is bullcrap of the highest order.

Maybe if the underlying client and systems were rock-solid stable, you'd STILL be wrong. If players want to run a trial a certain way, and can get past the entry barriers LET THEM RUN THE F**KING TRIALS!

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Getting that out of my system...I wonder if the pop up was added to identify why trials previously were being auto failed. The minimum players thing may be a bug that they identified so the pop up just makes testing easier (figure out auto conditions and label them so they can be addressed individuality without making matters worse). Since no minimum fail was previously mentioned this seems logical to me.

To bring up another problem with this is that you failed to fully read that the guy who dropped from Leandro's Trial had ended up dropped out for quite some time BEFORE they autofailed.
Combine this with other issues mentioned about DCing from trials and what you have is basically an issue where people can practically auto-fail AT ANY TIME, even if the normal auto-fail conditions had been met as early as before the cut scene.

Originally Posted by Samuel_Tow City of Heroes is a game about freedom of expression and variety of experiences far more so than it is about representing any one theme, topic or genre.

A work around is just 1) grabbing Nova to use for fly or 2) grabbing Nova and using it the form for fly and missions.

My human form WS makes use of the various jet packs available in game. With that one toggle on it's invisible anyway.

Grin. I give this a thumbs up. If the reason we can't solo them is because Devs are afraid everyone will solo them, and not team them, well then, soloing is what people want to do, and people who are allowed to do what they want to do, within reason of course, keep their subs active, which is good for the game.

I still grimace whenever I hear that teaming gets higher rewards..why do you think that is....because people have to be bribed to team, meaning if given a choice, the Devs fear the player base would choose soloing, leaving the squishies and folks who like to team hard pressed to find a team.

*Sigh*..I think the day we get cross server teaming, and have all the bugs chased out of the process, will be the day we will be allowed to solo taskforces and such critters.

And not until then.

Lisa.

i also agree with this 1000 times, i hate looking for padders to start tf if im running below the min, and unless the min are removed then im VERY tempted to make a whole boatload of free accounts when i21/freedom gets here as a personal squad of anytime padders

also on the topic of teaming = more rewards, i noticed when i was farming a whole lot of friends one day and within 3 hours i made 16 shards just running the tv farm twice, when i run it solo on same diff settings i barely make 5 shards in the same amount of time (i believe this is due to how the shard drop rate works)

Dose this mean that je_saist is the equivalent of dividing by 0?

But dose that make him a digital or analog person?

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