AS long as this
"Of course, if you are a VIP, you will get twelve free slots on every server, instead of two slots total. Plus you will get one free Global Character Slot Token per twelve months of subscription time, any slots you have purchased, and if you have purchased Going Rogue prior to the launch of City of Heroes Freedom, you will also get the two free slots that came with Going Rogue. (After the launch of Freedom, Going Rogue will no longer come with these two free slots.)"
means no change if I keep subbed, fine by me.
Some questions:
Can I delete a character without first unlocking it (to free up the name, for example)?
What happens if I have unlocked a character but later delete it? Do I have an unlocked slot to create a character, or do I get the global unlock back so that I can choose to either unlock an existing character OR create a new one? Obviously the latter would be preferred.
If I drop VIP, then unlock all possible slots, then switch back to VIP for a couple of months, then drop back to premium, do I start over with my global unlocks and choose from scratch what to unlock or do the first round of slots that I chose remain unlocked instead?
How about a "reset global unlocks" available once per month in case I change my mind on which characters I want unlocked?
Although I plan to keep my account active, I have two alt accounts, one with 60 months or so of vet rewards and one with about 9 months. Those haven't been active for about a year now, so it will be nice to see them gain, and I'd like to know how they are going to operate 
and who picks the 2 toons i get to play?? i havent heard anything about this yet. i have 35 50s, is it 2 per server?? 2 per account?? you guys really havent been clear on this yet
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Originally Posted by Doctor_Bob
and who picks the 2 toons i get to play?? i havent heard anything about this yet. i have 35 50s, is it 2 per server?? 2 per account?? you guys really havent been clear on this yet
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Originally Posted by Doctor_Bob
and who picks the 2 toons i get to play?? i havent heard anything about this yet. i have 35 50s, is it 2 per server?? 2 per account?? you guys really havent been clear on this yet
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YOU pick. And it is two TOTAL.
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Would you kindly elaborate on how this affects players who have less than 12 unclaimed character slots free on a given server?|
Originally Posted by Second Measure
Of course, if you are a VIP, you will get twelve free slots on every server, instead of two slots total.
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For example, right now I have all 36 slots unlocked on Victory. 35 of them have characters in them. When Freedom goes live, I will stay at 36 or will jump to 48?
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Read what he said. YOU pick those slots yourself, just like the current token system. And that's global, the disadvantage of being a non-VIP and playing for free.|
Originally Posted by Doctor_Bob
and who picks the 2 toons i get to play?? i havent heard anything about this yet. i have 35 50s, is it 2 per server?? 2 per account?? you guys really havent been clear on this yet
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Moo, I would guess you'll have the same amount of slots.
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Second Measure's post above was pretty clear: you get two slots TOTAL per account. Plus one per year of subscription, yadda yadda.|
Originally Posted by Doctor_Bob
and who picks the 2 toons i get to play?? i havent heard anything about this yet. i have 35 50s, is it 2 per server?? 2 per account?? you guys really havent been clear on this yet
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The Devs have said elsewhere that you get to pick which of your two existing characters you unlock. Anything else wouldn't make much sense.
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I would assume that any of those extra slot tokens already used to open up an extra character slot - for instance, I have 13 toons on Champion - would still be available to me after COH:Freedom goes live. Am I correct in that?
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Okay, a hypothetical. Freedom launches, I am a Vip thanks to stayign subscribed. I am a 6 year vet who's used no slot tokens, I own going rogue from when it launched and not unlocked those slots either, I have bought none.
I suddenly have money troubles and drop back to Premium. So, I have 2+6+2 = 10 slots. I use them to unlock 10 EXISTING characters on one server (let's say Virtue). Three months later, the money problem clears up and I go ViP again. What happens to those unlocked slots? Do I get my 8 slot tokens back (they unlocked slots for EXISTING characters, not empty slots on the server), do I now have 10 slots open on Virtue? 8?
What if I DID buy slots earlier before Freedom and ALREADY HAD 36 slots unlocked on Virtue, now where are those 8 slot tokens? They can't go to Virtue, it's full.
I have seven extra character slots on my account. Two from GR. Three from Vet rewards, I think. And two more I think I got from the GvE edition. If I go Premium, I lose access to those last two?
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Originally Posted by Redbone
What if I DID buy slots earlier before Freedom and ALREADY HAD 36 slots unlocked on Virtue, now where are those 8 slot tokens? They can't go to Virtue, it's full.
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--2 tokens base
--6 tokens earned through veteran rewards
--2 tokens earned from buying Going Rogue
--16 tokens from character slots purchased
for a grand total of 26 unlock tokens. Once you resubscribe, all the slots you had previously would unlock and you'd have full access again.
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That wasn't two, that was two *per server*, if I recall. I think it would be a mistake to take those away since GvE/CoV was also purchased.
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Originally Posted by Furry_Saint
I have seven extra character slots on my account. Two from GR. Three from Vet rewards, I think. And two more I think I got from the GvE edition. If I go Premium, I lose access to those last two?
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Let's try that again... Assume that I've bought 24 slots in the second example I had. So I have as a ViP 36 slots on Virtue and 8 avaliable tokens. I go Premium, I have 24 Slots on Virtue (puchased before Freedom) now and 10 Tokens (the original 8 +2 from being Premium). I now use all 10 t unlock 10 more slots on Virtue. I now have 34 of 36 slots on Virtue. I then resub and get back my original 12 "free" slots. I now have 46 out of 36 poossible slots on Virtue. Where do the extra 10 go?
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Originally Posted by Chris_Zuercher
Bought slots add to your total of unlock tokens. Assuming that you used all the slots earned through the veteran rewards program and going Rogue on Virtue, you'd have to have bought 16 additional slots. So if you drop back to premium you'd have
--2 tokens base --6 tokens earned through veteran rewards --2 tokens earned from buying Going Rogue --16 tokens from character slots purchased for a grand total of 26 unlock tokens. Once you resubscribe, all the slots you had previously would unlock and you'd have full access again. |
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No, we are not getting 12 more slots; we already have 12 slots on every server (I think that's what the devs are saying). VIPs start with 12 slots per server just like we do now, plus whatever veteran rewards, purchases, and unlocks we've received.|
Originally Posted by Redbone
Let's try that again... Assume that I've bought 24 slots in the second example I had. So I have as a ViP 36 slots on Virtue and 8 avaliable tokens. I go Premium, I have 24 Slots on Virtue (puchased before Freedom) now and 10 Tokens (the original 8 +2 from being Premium). I now use all 10 t unlock 10 more slots on Virtue. I now have 34 of 36 slots on Virtue. I then resub and get back my original 12 "free" slots. I now have 46 out of 36 poossible slots on Virtue. Where do the extra 10 go?
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If you use 10 slots to unlock more on Virtue (which you have filled), you are electing to unlock access to your other characters that are already on the server, not 10 new slots in addition to the original 36. If you want to use them for new characters, you'll need to unlock them on a different server that you haven't filled up yet.
At least I believe this is what they are saying.
Will there be any way to close a character slot after it's been redeemed, so that you could use it elsewhere? Of course such a thing would have to have restrictions (maybe time based) to avoid people exploiting it... but here's a scenario.
Let's say I'm a new player. I jump in and, not knowing much about the game, just choose a random server to play on. I create a character there, using one of my two total slots. However, as I learn more about the game and the community, I learn that one of the different servers will suit me better. I move to that server, and create a character there, using up my second character slot. However, that first character is now completely lost to me. What am I to do?
Yes, in that scenario the new player could buy an extra character slot or two (or even just become a VIP player). Or maybe even make an entirely new account, unless there are somehow safeguards against that. But really in the end the goal should be to make the game as inviting to new players as possible, and hurdles like this just cause problems.
My suggestion: Make it so that once per month (would that be a good limit?) Free or Premium players can lock 1 character slot (whether or not there's a character in it) and receive 1 slot token, so that they can unlock a different slot of their choosing. Be it a different locked character, a different server, or whatever.
This way, people would be able to have a bit more freedom to move around, and can also try different concepts without having to completely delete a character, too. The time limit prevents people from switching active slots on the fly to get around the 2(+) character limit, but still adds SOME flexibility.
As an added bonus, it'll create the possibility for free or premium players to amass a stock of locked characters that they can't use... which might give them more incentive to go VIP so they can play whoever they want without limits.
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Originally Posted by lionheart_fr
No, we are not getting 12 more slots; we already have 12 slots on every server (I think that's what the devs are saying). VIPs start with 12 slots per server just like we do now, plus whatever veteran rewards, purchases, and unlocks we've received.
If you use 10 slots to unlock more on Virtue (which you have filled), you are electing to unlock access to your other characters that are already on the server, not 10 new slots in addition to the original 36. If you want to use them for new characters, you'll need to unlock them on a different server that you haven't filled up yet. At least I believe this is what they are saying. |
ViP: 12 Slots
Purchased and applied: 24 Slots
Vet (not applied): 6 Slots
Going Rogue (not applied): 2 Slots
Single Server Play on Virtue.
Currently: 36 Slots, 8 Slot Tokens
Under ViP; 36 Slots, 8 Slot Tokens
Under Premium: 24 Slots, 10 Slot Tokens
Under Premium After Applying all 10 tokens: 34 Slots 0 Tokens
After Returnign to ViP which reopens the original 12 Slots with a sub: 46 Slots, 0 Tokens
46 Slots isn't possible, 36 is the maximum, so where do the 10 extra slots go?
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So for example, if you have been a subscriber for three years, purchased Going Rogue, never bought a single extra character slot, and choose to stop paying your subscription, you will have...
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- Accounts active during Issue 12 were given 2 Character Slot Unlocks.
- Accounts that added both a CoH and a CoV Serial Code, or had one of those codes and purchased GvE went from 8 slots per server to 12 slots per server. Shouldn't there be at least 4 Global Character Slot Unlocks for accounts that fit that criteria?
These previous Veteran/Paid-For slots should be honored in some way, IMO.
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While I get the fact that having purchased Going Rogue would allow 2 additional character slots for Premium, what about other items that have added slots? IE COV at launch added 4 slots to the then current 8 character per server limit. granted that was to all servers. Just to refresh those that may be scratching their head, COH had 8 character slots till COV launched. A "Perk" to purchasing COV and adding it to a COH account was the 4 additional character slots. Besides the addition of Villains, Bases, PVP Zones and so on.
I may be splitting hairs but I think its a valid question.
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Originally Posted by Redbone
46 Slots isn't possible, 36 is the maximum, so where do the 10 extra slots go?
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Think of them as two different Character Slot Unlock Builds.
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My guess has always been it's the fact with COV you didn't 'get' any server tokens at all. Rather, you got four new slots *per server* which were automatically unlocked. For US players, that's a total of 32 extra character slots total. Just like how COH gave you the first eight slots.|
Originally Posted by Ice Knight
While I get the fact that having purchased Going Rogue would allow 2 additional character slots for Premium, what about other items that have added slots? IE COV at launch added 4 slots to the then current 8 character per server limit. granted that was to all servers. Just to refresh those that may be scratching their head, COH had 8 character slots till COV launched. A "Perk" to purchasing COV and adding it to a COH account was the 4 additional character slots. Besides the addition of Villains, Bases, PVP Zones and so on.
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Going Rogue, however, gave you two actual server tokens, which you could use on any server... I'm guessing they see COV's extra slots as being more akin to the original eight you got.
So I dunno, I guess you could think of it as getting one slot unlock key for COH and one for COV?
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VIP and Premium keep track of Open Slots using two different systems that do not interact with each other. As you go back and forth between the systems, you go to where you left off the last time you were in that system.
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Would you kindly elaborate on how this affects players who have less than 12 unclaimed character slots free on a given server?
For example, right now I have all 36 slots unlocked on Victory. 35 of them have characters in them. When Freedom goes live, I will stay at 36 or will jump to 48? |
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I would assume that any of those extra slot tokens already used to open up an extra character slot - for instance, I have 13 toons on Champion - would still be available to me after COH:Freedom goes live. Am I correct in that?
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Originally Posted by Furry_Saint
I have seven extra character slots on my account. Two from GR. Three from Vet rewards, I think. And two more I think I got from the GvE edition. If I go Premium, I lose access to those last two?
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Originally Posted by lionheart_fr
That wasn't two, that was two *per server*, if I recall. I think it would be a mistake to take those away since GvE/CoV was also purchased.
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Now, back when CoV was released, if you had both CoH and CoV (or later one +GvE) you went from 8 to 12 slots on each server)
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Simple question here, I'm assuming an answer but would like a confirmation.
VIP goes Premium
Chooses 10 characters to play with as a Premium player
Goes back to VIP
Reverts to Premium again
Will the 10 characters the player chose the first time they went to Premium from VIP still be unlocked, or will they be locked again, allowing the player to repick which characters to unlock?
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Hey folks, there have been a lot of questions over the last few days, and one of the points we wanted to clarify is what happens to your character slots if you stop being a VIP.
Free players get two Global Character Slot Tokens; they can use these tokens to unlock two slots *total* on any server(s) they wish except the VIP server (not two per server). Premium players/former VIP players will have all of their character slots locked, then will get the same two free Global Character Slot Tokens, of course, plus one Global Character Slot Token for every twelve months they have been subscribed to City of Heroes (these were formerly awarded by the Veteran Rewards program). In addition, if someone purchased Going Rogue before the launch of City of Heroes Freedom, they will get two free Global Character Slot Tokens to represent the two free character slots that came with Going Rogue. Plus, as a Premium player you will get Global Character Slot Tokens in exchange for any and all character slots you have purchased in addition to these.
You will then be able to use these tokens to unlock existing characters or empty slots where you can make new characters.
So for example, if you have been a subscriber for three years, purchased Going Rogue, never bought a single extra character slot, and choose to stop paying your subscription, you will have:
- Two Global Character Slot Tokens free to any non-VIP player
- Plus three Global Character Slot Tokens for three years of subscription
- Plus two Global Character Slot Tokens from Going Rogue
- For a total of seven Global Character Slot Tokens
In addition, as a non-VIP player you will be able to purchase more character slots from the in-game store for your account.You will retain all of these slots for your account, no matter how many times your VIP status changes back and forth between VIP and Premium.
Of course, if you are a VIP, you will get twelve free slots on every server, instead of two slots total. Plus you will get one free Global Character Slot Token per twelve months of subscription time, any slots you have purchased, and if you have purchased Going Rogue prior to the launch of City of Heroes Freedom, you will also get the two free slots that came with Going Rogue. (After the launch of Freedom, Going Rogue will no longer come with these two free slots.)