So now CoH is a "raiding" game.
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Posted on: 2011-05-05 08:43 in CoH and CoV General Discussions
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The reason the 'average wait time' is broken is that it includes the pre-fabs who form up first, then hit the LFG queue. Since the vast majority of folks form up pre-fabs, it averages out to a really low 'average wait time' that isn't meaningful to those using it.|
Originally Posted by Acroyear2
I agree with everything the OP has stated, but especially the quote above. The LFG system is a failure, IMO, as it has never once worked for me. What's worse is that while you wait you cannot even do missions as doing so will kick you from the LFG immediately.
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Now, I feel like a tool, this got said just a few posts above too. Ya, point/laugh at me
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I don't actually. I think there's a middle ground. I did not agree with the devs' decision on shard conversion costs for example. I knew that was going to get them flamed. All that said, I think folks who have a lack of patience should exercise the option available to them (the trials) to the extent they can. I recognize that because of time of play/hardware/etc. some folks don't have significant access to the trials.
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Originally Posted by UberGuy
I don't think it's reasonable of you to expect others to share your level of patience, even if we should expect them to have more than they actually exhibit on average.
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LOL. Right that.
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Originally Posted by baron_inferno
I disagree. I'm sure by now, the cut scenes have been firmly etched into the memory banks of every player who has participated in the trials. Especially Mother Mayhem's assets.
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Except, they're not really "needed" for the Incarnate Trials either. Otherwise, you'd have them available before being able to attempt the trials. And the only thing about the Incarnate slots (other than the Alpha slot) that cannot be used outside of the Incarnate Trials (to my knowledge) is the Level shifts. |
Originally Posted by BrandX
What they want is the Incarnate Slots, what they keep forgetting is those incarnate slots they don't want to unlock the fast and easy way, are only needed for the Incarnate Trials right now.
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I have found that the Judgement slot has helped my game play in regular content that I play with my regular team a lot. the other Incarnate slots will help (to a greater or lesser degree) in the regular content as well when I team with my regular group that doesn't do any of the Incarnate stuff together.
Using the argument that the Incarnate slots are only good for the Incarnate Trials is not true, even in the slightest degree.
Trying to pass off the current "solo path" to the non-alpha Incarnate slots as a viable path to those slots is ludicrous. This is from a player that has been here for 7 years and only has 3 level 50s, and is in no rush to get more. I do not expect instant gratification. I never did. I just expect reasonable time frames/costs for content acquisition.
There I was between a rock and a hard place. Then I thought, "What am I doing on this side of the rock?"
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Well, not needed for the Incarnate Trials, but make them a hell of a lot smoother, how about we say that.|
Originally Posted by Twisted Toon
Except, they're not really "needed" for the Incarnate Trials either. Otherwise, you'd have them available before being able to attempt the trials. And the only thing about the Incarnate slots (other than the Alpha slot) that cannot be used outside of the Incarnate Trials (to my knowledge) is the Level shifts.
I have found that the Judgement slot has helped my game play in regular content that I play with my regular team a lot. the other Incarnate slots will help (to a greater or lesser degree) in the regular content as well when I team with my regular group that doesn't do any of the Incarnate stuff together. Using the argument that the Incarnate slots are only good for the Incarnate Trials is not true, even in the slightest degree. Trying to pass off the current "solo path" to the non-alpha Incarnate slots as a viable path to those slots is ludicrous. This is from a player that has been here for 7 years and only has 3 level 50s, and is in no rush to get more. I do not expect instant gratification. I never did. I just expect reasonable time frames/costs for content acquisition. |
And of course, whatever makes the Incarnate Trials smoother is really going to change your regular level 50 content. That's just obvious.
Oh look a Nuke to use every 90 seconds. Yeah, that won't be handy in clearing a spawn fast.
As for reasonable time frames/costs, except for the tier 4, I didn't find any of the Incarnate Slots really all that unreasonable to obtain.
Now, if you mean through shards only hmmm...depends on if you're planning on strictly solo or just not doing the trials.
If you plan to still do team content (TFs) and /8 Missions with Bosses, then it's not going to be bad. 10 Shards a day (which I find easy enough to obtain when I want to) and 2.5 million Influence equals out to 10 threads a day.
Turn those threads in for the iXP and to craft the components.
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Cool. Sorry to have gotten the wrong message, then.
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Originally Posted by EvilGeko
I don't actually. I think there's a middle ground. I did not agree with the devs' decision on shard conversion costs for example. I knew that was going to get them flamed. All that said, I think folks who have a lack of patience should exercise the option available to them (the trials) to the extent they can. I recognize that because of time of play/hardware/etc. some folks don't have significant access to the trials.
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I've tried to avoid commenting on this to see how the Incarnate thing will shake out eventually but I can sympathize with people who don't like the Incarnate raids. They are not the same as Task/Strike Forces or any other content which you have to group up for. Even fighting Hamidon is more forgiving. Then again my negative reaction to them is probably just because I suck at them and hate the immersion ruining business of having some guy barking orders in my ear while playing.
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Voice communication isn't needed at all for the Trials - normal text chat works fine |
Originally Posted by Irresponsible
having some guy barking orders in my ear while playing.
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Not for me. Did you miss my comment about my total suckage? Don't think I've completed a single trial and the utter failures have discouraged me from making many attempts.
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You've never completed a single trial despite (presumably repeated) attempts of these team pursuits with some guy barking orders in your ear?|
Originally Posted by Irresponsible
Not for me. Did you miss my comment about my total suckage? Don't think I've completed a single trial and the utter failures have discouraged me from making many attempts.
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Have you considered that it's not actually your fault (past picking a team/league consisting of the sort of bozos who get off barking orders over chat)?
Get a league of reasonably competent players who try their best using ingame chat and most trials will succeed (and probably be far more fun than being ordered about by captain shouty).
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No, I am just really bad at them. Never even made it past the Battle Maiden one cause of those damn death patches that kill me every time or keep me jumping around so much that I can't do her any damage. Judging from the teams I've been on I'm far from the only one not good at that kind of stuff though.
I honestly prefer soloing or teaming up for the occasional small group as I seem to have better luck that way.
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What server are you on? I'll take you on a normal Trial, and you won't have too many problems.
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Originally Posted by Irresponsible
Not for me. Did you miss my comment about my total suckage? Don't think I've completed a single trial and the utter failures have discouraged me from making many attempts.
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I'm still surprised people are complaining about getting actual Endgame content that allows progress passed Level 50 after SEVEN YEARS!
That's the whole dang reason I even came back. Because after years of only having the option of geting to 50,rolling an alt doing it again..then a few more years of rolling an alt ,getting to 50..and nickle and diming minor stat increase sets..I'm glad to be able to run instanced "raid" content for meaningful progression of my characters I enjoyed getting to 50.
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Thats because it's the EXACT same 'End Game' as every other game has; big, grindy events with cheaty-hax enemies that you need the phat lewt to defeat. How do you get phat lewt? Oh, thats right! Grand the end game.|
Originally Posted by Matthew_Orlock
I'm still surprised people are complaining about getting actual Endgame content that allows progress passed Level 50 after SEVEN YEARS!
That's the whole dang reason I even came back. Because after years of only having the option of geting to 50,rolling an alt doing it again..then a few more years of rolling an alt ,getting to 50..and nickle and diming minor stat increase sets..I'm glad to be able to run instanced "raid" content for meaningful progression of my characters I enjoyed getting to 50. |
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Originally Posted by Zwillinger
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Originally Posted by Captain_Photon
NOTE: The Incarnate System is basically farming for IOs on a larger scale, and with more obtrusive lore.
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Defenders are team players, so yes they need teams to forfill there roll in coh...
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Originally Posted by CactusBrawler
I do wish we knew which Dev went "You know our soloable, alt friendly MMO that we've had up and running for six years? Let's have an end game system that is nothing like that. I know lets call the issue City of Warcraft just to make things clear where our focus is now." because he or she deserves a smack.
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And even they can be soloed to 50.|
Originally Posted by Tornado_Spectre
Defenders are team players, so yes they need teams to forfill there roll in coh...
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EDIT: And, yes, I mean through normal content/story arcs, not AE.
EDIT 2: See change to inherent that grants damage buff that increases as team size decreases.
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Lol tell that to my Kin/Rad, who soloed Hro Drath at lvl 37. |
Originally Posted by Tornado_Spectre
Defenders are team players, so yes they need teams to forfill there roll in coh...
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Defenders make perfectly fine solo toons.
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Originally Posted by Samuel_Tow
[The Incarnate System is] Jack Emmert all over again, only this time it's not "1 hero = 3 white minions" it's "1 hero = 3 white rocks."
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Originally Posted by Irresponsible
I've tried to avoid commenting on this to see how the Incarnate thing will shake out eventually but I can sympathize with people who don't like the Incarnate raids. They are not the same as Task/Strike Forces or any other content which you have to group up for. Even fighting Hamidon is more forgiving. Then again my negative reaction to them is probably just because I suck at them and hate the immersion ruining business of having some guy barking orders in my ear while playing.
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Some people hate farming.
Some people love it and farm the AE mercilessly and love the trials.
I used to take the stance the POSITRON did that farming is bad for the game and does not use the content created. Hamidon was put on a spawn timer, missions that were farmable were put on timers.
All of this done before the mighty Devs gave us approved Farms. Now we have some people saying oh - it's only 30 minutes and so no big deal. Well sunshine, some ambush farms in AE can last less than 4 minutes and net you 20 levels on a low level character.
It is still stinking farm of the same content and a grind. I see the same hit squads that were saying it is finally some HARD content and you suck because you don't like it - say it's only 30 minutes and you suck because you don't like it.
No, I don't like it and I will continue to say it until I freaking quit for good. FEEDBACK is what the Devs use to make decisions and if we all drink Enriche and be good little farmers then the Devs believe all is well. All is NOT well and I would like some hard numbers on how many players get to tier 4 on ANY characters. I will bet a lot of players never bother getting Alpha and after one or 2 trials never go back.
The forums are a small sliver of the player base and don't confuse signal to noise ratio of the apologists as fact. I would like numbers.
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Nice and completely wrong.|
Originally Posted by baron_inferno
Since this is like the 100th thread complaining about trial/raids in CoX, I'll just skip the pleasantries and go right for the meat.
To be perfectly blunt, people who are complaining about these trials resembling raids has obviously not participated in *real* raids in other MMOs. I'm talking the ones which can involve up to 100+ people and takes hours (if not days) to complete. These so called raids in CoX look nothing like that and probably never will. Server side limitations precludes that possibility and any suggestions to the contrary is pure fantasy. |
The farming grind in a raid is the same regardless of how you spin it. But it is wonderful your computer enables you to see into the hearts and minds of all our player base.
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No. It has been shown in detail it would take you nearly 2 years of playing serveral hours a day to get 1 - ONE - UNO character to tier 4 on the other incarnates.
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Originally Posted by Wicked_Wendy
Agreed actually players have even made comments about how much easier TFs like Statesman and Recluse have gotten since almost everyone is 50(+1) on them these days and some even have and use tier 3 or 4 Judgement, Lore, Destiny and Interface powers on them.. the added level shifts dont apply but those extra powers still exist.. I have an MM that now has 9 pets she can summon. Heck there was even a thread asking for a way to SHUT off incarnate powers because someone thought it was getting to easy to do Master of Runs
 While its not as fast or simple you can get shards from anything now including exemplaring down. Shards can be turned into threads and threads build components for enhancements.. heck threads can even be used to BUY Incarnate XP. The trials are the fast track but there is nothing stopping a 50 level from using influnece and shards to accomplish the exact same thing. |
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Just saying it has been solo'd - just saying.
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Originally Posted by galadiman
Allow me to just say, it has been done with one team of 6.
On Single Origin Enhancements. Just sayin'. |
Thanks for the offer Golden Girl but the idea of trying that TF again gives me hives. I've resigned myself to waiting for a real solo alternative to the Incarnate stuff or maybe quitting this game altogether.
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Soloing is not the default option of any OTHER MMO - Fixed it for you.|
Originally Posted by Golden Girl
Soloing is not the default option of an MMO
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CoX frm the beginning was designed with solo options for almost everything and Tier one Alpha Incarnate was as well. You ignore that in your bashing of others in the forums.
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