My friend is quitting soon...

I agree. They should have waited and thought this out a bit. I admit I didn't beta test i20. But they really failed to see the down falls of a timed missions system. Over time it becomes apparent that you will immediately learn if you will succeed or fail a timed turnstile mission just by who you have on the team and how many you have. So these 20 minute missions are now 5 minute missions or just instant drops when a player only sees 8 players in the que for a mission.

Only to the extent that the entire game is a farming system for XP and rewards, just with different skins.


Over my dead body.

Just like the rest of the game...

Don't say that kind of stuff or we will have Incarnate Merits.

.....

Maybe I misunderstand, but isn't this exactly what Empyrean Merits do?

Speaking of which, I need to go get me some.

Like a Pyromaniac in a field of strawmen I will burn this notion down.

To get these incarnate rewards you must run multiple times the same 2 missions.

Any other path would take you YEARS of game play. All of the other content is wide open to be played for all other purposes and drops shards if you are 50 and have your alpha unlocked.

On one hand all of the entire game - on the other hand 2 missions that take 30 minutes and must be run 20-30 times. Run little strawmen run but you will still burn.

This isn’t about the end game, to me at least, i myself don’t like the way the end game is going into the ubergrindfest where you don’t even have time to talk and have fun. I like lighter content where you get to spend more time typing and talking than fighting. In fact, those are my favorite kinds of teams.

But what we have here is someone who doesn’t like to put up with people. See, i started out really really really really sucking at this game. For at least a year i was easily a detriment to any team i was on. But it was people who were kind enough to team with me and put up with me that helped me through this game. They were willing to pug and help out a new player they don’t even know. The OPs friend isn’t willing to do that. I know of many people who say "i only team with people I’ve known since beta" and I’m sorry but that pisses me off. Do you really think this game would be a good place if everyone was like that? With people unwilling to pug this game wouldn’t even work out. Of course it's a better place without people like that.

But when it does come to it in i20 you aren't forced to pug, I know almost no one uses the queue feature. You can easily make up a league made almost completely of people you know, happens to me all the time. But that’s not going to happen for the OP's friend i would guess, considering he only knows 7 people because he refused to pug. :P

Then you have a narrow opinion of the meaning of "farm". Rewards granted for reptetive actions taken are part of the game from one end to the other. Some people run varied content to this end, while others run the same content repeatedly, but at the end of the day, they've all been repeating the same actions - running missions and beating up virtual enemies. The only reason the Trials are thus far the only means to this specific end (Incarnate powers)... is because they are new.

And your attempted wit impresses no one.

Then this probably won't make you happy. *I* don't like to team up with people I don't know. Nearly every experience I've had with a PUG, in this or any other game, has been at best annoying. More often, I manage to join a team that contains a build nazi, or some other form of offensive know-it-all, who apparently gets more enjoyment from telling other players how much they suck than actually playing the game. I also have basically no willingness to tolerate juvenile and offensive chat. To be perfectly honest, one of the first things I do when I make a new character is set them to be hidden from searches - if I haven't *asked* to join your team, then I'm not interested in joining it.

I fail to see how this could piss you off though. I have effectively removed myself from the part of the game you play entirely - if I wasn't basically standing in front of you waving a red flag, you'd never know I was there.

There are lots of reasons people might choose to play an MMO. In my case, I wanted to play a super hero game that allows me to create my own character, and (within the framework of the game) do whatever I wanted to as that character. This was also the second MMO that I had ever tried to play, and I ended up choosing this one over the other *because* this game didn't require mandatory teaming or PVP to finish a significant portion of the "quests."

You want to know a little secret? Players with attitudes like yours are a big part of the reason I DON"T like to team up. Because spending half an hour in a room (even an imaginary room) with someone like you is enough to destroy my enjoyment for an entire weekend. And let's be clear about this: I play this game to be entertained. I also *pay* to play this game, and last I checked my $15 a month had the exact same buying power as yours. So where do you get off basically telling me (or anyone with a playstyle like mine) that we're not only unwelcome as customers, but somehow "unworthy" of being here in the first place?

Not quite. The people who play this mmo for the multiplayer aspect appear to outnumber the elite soloists. I could be wrong about that, but I would guess that overall the devs are pushing the game where they think the most money is. So you can certainly play the game the way you want for your money, within the boundaries set by the devs.
Don't get me wrong, I play solo or duo with a friend at least 70% of the time. I would love some solo incarnate content. I just don't think all of us pug scum are going to miss you unfriendly people when you quit. We are going to play the game because we think its fun enough even when we are occasionally forced to help other people.

It is clear that these two trials are not any different than doing the same two farming missions from AE which the Paragon Studios team went out of their way to discourage.

You are implicitly accepting Dev approved farming missions with such semantics.

Yes because 1-50 has such diverse content with its three mission archetypes of kill boss, find glowie, escort....Wait what were you saying again?

I...guess so. I apologize i was so negative >.<

I still just don’t understand it though. I have... a lot of people in my global friend list (100 or so maybe?) and i easily team with about half-1/4 of them regularly. And i met almost every last one of them in pugs. Just don't know why someone wouldn't want that.

Because this:



is not the COH playerbase. It's made of a bunch of different people with different interests and preferences.

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Dude, if you couldn't solo scanner missions before the Incarnate powers, you were doing it wrong. ;D Also, if you're using four people, I don't really think that could be considered soloing. I dunno, I'm just bored and trolling. What I don't understand is the mindset of "getting incarnate powers trivializes normal content."

Really? The very same could be said for the invention system, or just levelling, in general. If you level to 10, that pretty much trivializes street sweeping in Atlas Park. Then, there is the option to not even participate in the Incarnate system. Doing a BAF or Lambda, or completing Ramiel's arc is pretty much the eqivalent of an account holder saying, "I want to participate in the Incarnate system. I want to get the new powers, or abilities associated with this new content."..and then to have them gripe that it trivializes older content..? It doesn't make sense.

What a majority of people who don't like this new content fail to understand is, a lot of people playing higher level characters already feel that other content is trivialized. If you're level 50, in the company of other level 50's, you'll find few of them are looking to start up a sewer team. I mean, when you made the jump from 45-50, did that not somehow diminish the enjoyment of killing Nemesis or Crey on the street at Peregrine? You didn't have to level past 45, you didn't have to insert 5 Luck of the Gambler +recharge, and you certainly didn't have to unlock the Alpha, gain a bunch of shards, and slot it up.

The Incarnate system is basically still in its infancy. It will undoubtedly get better, but as it stands, it gives people who gave up playing their 50's(due to trivialized content, lulz) a reason to load them up, and advance.

I didn't see anyone address this point but the answer is don't go Full incarnated on all of your 50's pick 1 or 2 (or even 1 per server) and focus on those there's no one saying that you have to incarnate out all of your characters.

For some people. You aren't everyone. Some people find the best part is that they can create a character with an actual unique look (as opposed to Orc #398734298742 with Reguar Armor of Level 30 Like Everyone Else) and solo it from 1-50 at your own pace.

... but only because there's a maximum level to reach.

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OMG !1 that is what happend to me . after about 3 weeks of trying not to throw my ps3 controller at my tv screen i came back to COX .
and on COD 4 you can here alll the insults and cursing from racisits 12 year olds instead of the occasional CAPS!!!!
i think ill log on my vill an play now !!

If someone is taking a break from COH I'd recommend ANYTHING but the idiocy of XBox Live or other online games where 12 year olds curse up a storm and think they are special snowflakes.

I've . . . just never had a good experience with online console games.

I'd also say that the trials are the WORST place to try and make friends or shoot the breeze. On the 30+ trials I've been on since live the ACTUAL TASKS IN THE TRIAL is mostly all what folks talk about in League Chat.

They are have been a handful where people do lol or crack jokes, but mostly NOT during any of the trial phases. The one exception was when someone turned themselves into a ritki monkey. The lols, lmaos did fill league chat for that on.

For trying to increase your global friends list I'd recommend teaming for ANY OTHER content but the trials.

QFT. I love the new content and all, but damned if it doesn't remind me why I have been soloing the last few years.

You went full Incarnate, man. Never go full Incarnate.