My friend is quitting soon...
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Posted on: 2011-04-11 22:05 in Archetypes and Powers General Discussion
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Originally Posted by Arcanaville
You're entitled to feel that way, just like all the people who felt the invention system turned this game into a crappy wow clone, and all the people who felt the mothership raids turned this game into a crappy wow clone, and all the people who felt that the LRSF turned this game into a crappy wow clone. I'll bet there were a few people who said that when WoW added their version of exemplar, it just turned WoW in to a crappy City of Heroes clone (a very, very, very few). Everyone's entitled to their perspective, but to me this sounds like someone saying that converting an F22 to run on biofuel turns it into just another crappy Geo Metro clone.
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ROFL. For four hundred years...
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Originally Posted by Arcanaville
 You went full Incarnate, man. Never go full Incarnate. |
What is the point of playing a MMO if you just want to play with the same people all the time? Seriously, your friend needs to broaden his scope. I never understood that as I would not be able to level as I have without PuG, since my channel and VG friends seem to always be busy or gone. If the problem is annoying people on the PuG then make your own team and kick the people off who are annoying.
I'm so over this PuG complaining. If that the problem, make a VG or channel with the just the people you wont to play with and hope that they are on when you want to do a trial. Otherwise shut up! All content is for all people, not just to please a few selfish people. In my experience, the people who dont like PuG are usually the bossy, jerk, know-it-all!
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I am not my friend but I think he is more worried about the "direction" of the so-called End-game content than what is happening right now. He WANTS to get the new abilities as he has invested so much time/money/effort into the game for the past 6 years. He just doesn't want to join a large-size Trials. It's the idea that he is forced to join a Larger-Than-8-People team worries him. Hell, even 8-people team seems like a harsh restriction sometimes... lol|
Originally Posted by TECHWON
best part of this game is making new friends and teaming with people you've never met and building community
you can only get so far soloing and these incarnate trials are meant to be with a team and now the league features make it awesome i always team with at least one friend everytime i am on and in the game |
Incarnate Abilities should be more accessible than just doing the trials. For the past two nights, I did two SFs (one is the new villain SF in sharks and one is the new TF in IP) and the total # of Shards I got is 4-5. I can't imagine how long it's going to take to get new abilities by just doing SFs on a "typical pace". By "typical", I mean doing SFs for the purpose of beating it rather than farming the same SF (like ITF) on the lowest setting x 8. Lowest setting SF puts me to sleep.
What's left is to normalize all Assassin Strikes and improve Stalker's old sets (Claw, MA and EM)! You don't need to bring back the missing PbAoE attack. You just need to make the existing ones better! For example, make Slice a WIDER and LONGER cone.
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I'm "forced" to do tedious end game material to keep up with the other players who are doing them so I can be useful to the team. We were "forced" in to IO sets, because now if you do not have them you're not able to be as useful on teams yet again. And he is being "forced" to do trials with large groups under the same circumstances as many other updates in this game. What is even the purpose of you telling us your "friends" feelings? This thread is pathetic... I'm mad I wasted my time... back to work.
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Originally Posted by Jibikao
I am not my friend but I think he is more worried about the "direction" of the so-called End-game content than what is happening right now. He WANTS to get the new abilities as he has invested so much time/money/effort into the game for the past 6 years. He just doesn't want to join a large-size Trials. It's the idea that he is forced to join a Larger-Than-8-People team worries him. Hell, even 8-people team seems like a harsh restriction sometimes... lol
Incarnate Abilities should be more accessible than just doing the trials. For the past two nights, I did two SFs (one is the new villain SF in sharks and one is the new TF in IP) and the total # of Shards I got is 4-5. I can't imagine how long it's going to take to get new abilities by just doing SFs on a "typical pace". By "typical", I mean doing SFs for the purpose of beating it rather than farming the same SF (like ITF) on the lowest setting x 8. Lowest setting SF puts me to sleep. |
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According to Baryonyx:|
Originally Posted by Jibikao
I am not my friend but I think he is more worried about the "direction" of the so-called End-game content than what is happening right now. He WANTS to get the new abilities as he has invested so much time/money/effort into the game for the past 6 years. He just doesn't want to join a large-size Trials. It's the idea that he is forced to join a Larger-Than-8-People team worries him. Hell, even 8-people team seems like a harsh restriction sometimes... lol
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| In regards to "what other ways we'll earn threads in the future," yes, new Incarnate Trials are a part of that. They are not the only part, but anything else is in such early stages of development that it would be one promise too far. I will, however, say that we do have some things in mind like Incarnate Story Arcs and Repeatable Missions. |
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Utter BS. My SO-only/common IO characters are perfectly useful on teams. I have yet to have anyone so much as *notice* they're not IO'd out. |
Originally Posted by Amir
We were "forced" in to IO sets, because now if you do not have them you're not able to be as useful on teams yet again.
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Also, if you *want* IO sets, you have multiple ways to get them. Incarnate abilities? Grind the same trials over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over *or* try to get the shards together and pay a ridiculous amount to convert to IXP and create the components.
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| I never understood that as I would not be able to level as I have without PuG, since my channel and VG friends seem to always be busy or gone. |
And no, his friend does not "need to broaden his scope." He has a chosen way of playing that doesn't affect you. You need to broaden yours if you can't accept that.
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How about playing an MMO because it offers a specific genre and gets updated regularly with new content and systems? How many traditional PC and console games do that?|
Originally Posted by Amir
What is the point of playing a MMO if you just want to play with the same people all the time?
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Honestly, the MM in MMO simply means there are many players in the game. It does not mean you must interact with them, or that you are doing something wrong if you chose to ignore everyone else.
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It's not the same circumstances. If you don't do the two trials, it will take FOREVER to get the new abilities. Have you tried to convert your Shards? Many of my lvl 40s don't have IOs and while they are not as strong, they certainly are not "useless". And I have no problem with people who spend more time beefing up their toons with sets. They spend more time, so they deserve to be stronger. |
Originally Posted by Amir
I'm "forced" to do tedious end game material to keep up with the other players who are doing them so I can be useful to the team. We were "forced" in to IO sets, because now if you do not have them you're not able to be as useful on teams yet again. And he is being "forced" to do trials with large groups under the same circumstances as many other updates in this game. What is even the purpose of you telling us your "friends" feelings? This thread is pathetic... I'm mad I wasted my time... back to work.
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I share my friend's feeling here because he doesn't post and I am not like him. I share some of his concerns but I have no problem PUGs or forming large teams. I do that all the time in Pocket D. However, I can see how some people may get annoyed by the current trial system.
Forming a very large team has down sides.
1. It doesn't always mean the content is going to be harder. You just need more people. So is the requirement to get new abilities = having just more people or having team(s) that play well together?
2. It is super lag-fest and tons of crashes. In Lamba, I must have crashed 10 times during the 2nd phase which results in not getting enough Grenade/Acid in time. The worst is after the 2nd phase, those that have Acid/grenade crash which result in the team not having enough to destroy the doors asap. Lamba is harder merely because of "technical difficulties" if you ask me. In BAF, even if you lose one or two, you won't feel it. In Lamba, you do because they may have the grenade/acid that you need.
3. It may take a long time to find a large/full team. Sometimes finding 8-people is hard enough in certain zones. It is easy in pocket d as the content is fresh.
What's left is to normalize all Assassin Strikes and improve Stalker's old sets (Claw, MA and EM)! You don't need to bring back the missing PbAoE attack. You just need to make the existing ones better! For example, make Slice a WIDER and LONGER cone.
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Good to know. Will forward this to my friend in global chat.
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Originally Posted by Arcanaville
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What's left is to normalize all Assassin Strikes and improve Stalker's old sets (Claw, MA and EM)! You don't need to bring back the missing PbAoE attack. You just need to make the existing ones better! For example, make Slice a WIDER and LONGER cone.
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Originally Posted by Jibikao
It's not the same circumstances. If you don't do the two trials, it will take FOREVER to get the new abilities. Have you tried to convert your Shards? Many of my lvl 40s don't have IOs and while they are not as strong, they certainly are not "useless". And I have no problem with people who spend more time beefing up their toons with sets. They spend more time, so they deserve to be stronger.
I share my friend's feeling here because he doesn't post and I am not like him. I share some of his concerns but I have no problem PUGs or forming large teams. I do that all the time in Pocket D. However, I can see how some people may get annoyed by the current trial system. Forming a very large team has down sides. 1. It doesn't always mean the content is going to be harder. You just need more people. So is the requirement to get new abilities = having just more people or having team(s) that play well together? 2. It is super lag-fest and tons of crashes. In Lamba, I must have crashed 10 times during the 2nd phase which results in not getting enough Grenade/Acid in time. The worst is after the 2nd phase, those that have Acid/grenade crash which result in the team not having enough to destroy the doors asap. Lamba is harder merely because of "technical difficulties" if you ask me. In BAF, even if you lose one or two, you won't feel it. In Lamba, you do because they may have the grenade/acid that you need. 3. It may take a long time to find a large/full team. Sometimes finding 8-people is hard enough in certain zones. It is easy in pocket d as the content is fresh. |
Dude your buddy is in a hard spot and likely going to quit. It sucks and the way the end game is going I doubt I'll renew my subs on my accounts. I laugh at how they wanted solo perspective on i20 yet what good is it? All my global friends have left the game I assume for good. And if the future content continues on its end game raid content I wonder how many more will call it good and just be done with it.
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Well, I don't agree they quit "for good" because I've tried other games and they are certainly not better. CoX is still by far the most team-friendly game with many tools to help you make friends (auto side-kick, share reward, global friends, emails, etc). |
Originally Posted by BeastMan
Dude your buddy is in a hard spot and likely going to quit. It sucks and the way the end game is going I doubt I'll renew my subs on my accounts. I laugh at how they wanted solo perspective on i20 yet what good is it? All my global friends have left the game I assume for good. And if the future content continues on its end game raid content I wonder how many more will call it good and just be done with it.
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They can add more end-game content but just don't make too one-sided. Right now, you can just do trials to unlock Alpha slot that would have taken you a lot longer if you tried to unlock doing the specific SFs or farming Shards.
I see a bit of AE Farming-madness right now in Pocket D. I still remember when AE came out, it was soooooooooo easy to find a team in Cap because so many people just camp there for AE mission. Then the dev nerfed it and people start doing other things to spread out the population.
What's left is to normalize all Assassin Strikes and improve Stalker's old sets (Claw, MA and EM)! You don't need to bring back the missing PbAoE attack. You just need to make the existing ones better! For example, make Slice a WIDER and LONGER cone.
I can understand what you are going through, I had a friend quit several years ago as well, he had some other reasons but part of it was playing with PUGs that ruined what he considered most important, his sense of immersion in the game.
One suggestion I have is that you (and/or some of his other friends that you know) try to pick up some other friends to play with. Your friend who is thinking of quitting may be ok with joining a team with someone you guys vouch for, so thats a way to expand his circle of acceptable teammates.
Then, you guys make your team of friends and have the whole team join a Trial. A particular team is often assigned a particular task, so you don't have to interact that much with the rest of the "PUG" apart from following some League leader directions. If one of you leads the Trial, you can even just regard the second or third team as pets, since you will be giving all the directions. 
I agree the new Trials aren't the best places to make friends, though, in some ways they remind me of teams for Rikti raids; thrown together quickly, you do what you are there for, and everyone goes their separate ways after. The friends I made in the game tended to be from tough missions or TFs, where some of the team quit and the few that were left actually had to work out tactics and stuck it out to succeed. Fortunately it sounds like you guys do a mix of play, and as long as *some* of you try playing with strangers to add a few more friends you can build that group up.
You could also try going to your servers forum and asking about sgs that like to play casually and chat a lot, it sounds like that may be a way to meet some compatible folks.
and on COD 4 you can here alll the insults and cursing from racisits 12 year olds instead of the occasional CAPS!!!!
i think ill log on my vill an play now !!
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