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the new community rep said this. someone who is in a significantly lower position of power and wasn't the main guy behind the changes. it would have been much different had it been posi saying it.

to do it correctly, it would take a complete overhaul. if they wanted to put a band aid on it, then yes, all they need to do is change a few numbers to fix alot of the bugs that have been in game since i13 launched.

and thats really what i was hoping someone asked, is if they are planning to spend any time fixing those bugs.

I don't think I've gotten anything I've asked for.

Well, okay, they are finally increasing the radius of the MM version of Twilight Grasp. I guess that's something I asked for.

Doom?

There have been issues in the past that have contained nothing that I've "asked for". Welcome to the club :P

I meant pretty much ever, not just this issue.

Well, i didn't actually ask for City of Heroes. i mean, i was intrigued by the premise of a superhero-themed MMO, but the earlier pre-Alpha/Alpha stuff i'd seen was so-so and i was dubious about how well the game would emulate superheroic action considering how limited most MMOs were in allowing players to move through their environments at that time. (i had a number of friends into games like Evercrack and the like and had watched them play a bit.) Then i sort of lost track of the game's development until shortly before launch. Shortly after CoH launched i decided to pick up a copy and give my first MMO a try.

It wasn't what i'd asked for, but it was better than i'd hoped. Oddly enough i've been subscribed ever since.

It sounds rather depressing that you've pretty much never gotten what you've asked for. i hope that you've at least occasionally gotten things you loved even if they weren't what you asked for.

Watch the video of the panel. The reporter made quite a few errors. The video makes it clear there is an optional role for a stealther, not one is needed.

I've gotten one or two things - but there are still a few left

Can they make Combat Jumping and Super Jumping an exception as well? I'm tired of having urine vapor coming out of my hands and feet and ghostly onion-rings appear whenever I jump about.

No moving hair or ponies. Denied :P

It is a boon for casual players, not casual content (yet).

The best thing you can say about Praetoria is that they did an adequate job harvesting low-hanging fruit.

Hmm, in the very quote you used:

When was the last one added? When was the last time we had any indication a dev so much as looked at anything besides Aeon's little (few and far between) challenges? I believe the last time I asked, "Over a year" was mentioned.

Rolled out, bug fix or two, then forgotten by the devs.

Then put me on ignore and you don't have to worry about it. Otherwise, well, all you're doing is the very thing you complain about - whining.

And if you want to talk about attitude, look at yourself first. "You don't agree with me, you're whiners."

If you tell me that in a year, I'll believe it. (Not the I know better, but that you find it interesting.) Why? Because after that it won't be "new mechanics" and "new shiny."

Meanwhile, don't tell me MY opinion of it is wrong when YOU decide to speak in absolutes.

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"New" Praetoria is only interesting when you're actually doing the Praetorian thing and forced to think that maybe there's a legitimate reason for Cole doing what Cole does.

Once you leave Praetoria and get into the "real" world, it's just "Rrwar! Cole! Evil! Rrwar! Evil BABS! Evil Positron! Rrwarr! Evil Valkyrie! Evil Sister Psyche! Rrwarr! Stop them from destroying all you love! Rrwarrr!!!!" and any depth is immediately blown away by Goatee Universe once more.

Yes and old content's writing is profound.

Along with the press release, they also put out the trailer:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=shrT_sXrXKY



On October 24th 2009, at Hero Con, we got the first major info dump about Praetoria at the Going Rogue presentation:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=33ko78TeO5I

Highlights from the presentaion include:

On January 22nd, 2010, the GR website got its first big update with Tyrant's bio, which ended with:


In April 2010, the GR closed beta began, and Tyrant made an appearance at the end of the loyalist storyline, where he says:

On June 10th, 2010, John "Protean" Hegner gave an interview to Massively.com, where he said:

On October 15th, 2010, at the New York Comic Con presentation, Jesse Ghost Falcon" Caceres said:

At the same presentaiton, the contents of "Issue 19: Alpha Strike" were first revealed, showing Tyrant ann the loyalists begining the invasion of Primal Earth, as detailed in the invasion plans discovered in GR, and as foreshadowed at the end fo the orignal GR trailer back in May 2009.

On March 1st, 2011, the "Issue 20:Incarnates" overview was released, including further information on Tyrant and his followers:

On the same day, there was the first I20 sneak peek, where anyone could go onto the Beta server to test the enw content, inclduing seeing what Pormetheus had to say about Tyrant and the Praetorian situation:


And today, March 12th, the I20 trailer was released, with a very brief description of Tyrant and his army:

And then we were shown large areas of Skyway City in ruins on the new hero TF, as Tyrant's invasion continues.

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The idea that Tyrant has ever been anything other than a power-crazed supervillain planning world conquest, and that he was somehow a "good tyrant" in the 1-20 GR content, and that the Incarnate system content is inconsistant with what's shown in GR is a ridiculous claim for even the most deluded stiff-armed loyalist to make.

For almost 2 years now, from our very first glimpse of GR in the trailer back in May 2009, right up to today's I20 trailer, and in everything that's come between, the devs have done nothing but present Tyrant as a force of evil in his own world, and a threat to Primal Earth and beyond - the single biggest villain we've ever faced in the game.

The Praetorians are unchanged from the original Portal Corp arcs - they're the same evil psychos that they've always been - GR just gave them fleshed out bios and cleaner streets.

Golden Girl's usual schtick aside, that's kinda the point.

To most Primal Earthers, every Praetorian is evil, as they really don't have anything to go on aside from the original Praeotrian invasion attempt and the kidnapping of Statesman. This point is brought up several times in various Praetorian story arcs, with members of Longbow, Wyvern, and Vanguard being hesitant to work with the Resistance, and being amazed that every single person on Praetorian Earth isn't evil! I forget which factions this exists for, but one of the reasons for Praetorian characters to go to Primal Earth is to show that there are indeed good Praetorians, and that those good Praetorians - which include the vast majority of the civilian population - will likely be caught in the cross-fire should there be a full-scale interdimensional war between the Primal and Praetorian Earths.

I am a villain most of the time. We don't DO spandex!

Poor Steel. But.. but I think I might have a solution to you Steel. Your new entries have had less playtime certainly. Just give a booster of game time. That would be fair to your tournament and I'm sure your other contestees would say "Its fair!". After all I think they might just enjoy a few days of vacation (or whatever time you deem appropriate) so that your new tournees get the fair treatment.
Right Steelclaw?

This is one of my two main issues with Praetoria. I really like the idea of being a Loyalist, it was different, it was fresh. It allowed me to be a real villain for a while (namely levels 1 - 20). But that option ends the moment we're dumped into Primal Earth. It feels like I've been mis-sold. Don't get me wrong, I love the new Praetoria, I like the look, the missions but the disconnect between level 20 and the rest of the game is huge.

Secondly, I'll agree that there should be a story around unlocking Incarnate powers but I dislike how it is tied to just one story. Although I admire the Devs for sticking with one story and wanting to finish it, IMHO, there are better stories to explore, some of which the players have been begging to see continued for years. Sticking solely to one plot means that it will sour very quickly and in a few years time players will probably tire of it once they've run all their alts through them. Far better to have a number of routes to gain your powers in the same way that Patron Arcs at least have four different stories to explore while unlocking their pools.

Anyway, I'm pleased people like Praetoria, I kind of do too, I just wish it could fulfil the potential that was promised in Going Rogue allowing people to truly choose their side and that other plots weren't being sidelined in favour of it. In the meantime, there'll be other things I can do in game including rolling up new alts on the formerly NA servers.

So the makers of the game are encouraging people to SKIP chunks of it? To NOT play the game?

Oh well that's a fantastic plan. Speaking as someone who gets annoyed with the speed/stealthers when I'm doing a TF to ... you know ... LEVEL, the last thing I need is encouragement for that behaviour.

The shard drops did slow down the stealthers. Then the WTF/Notices came along and all anyone wants to do is skip to the end for it. Make the TF's startable by one person. Then the speed merchants can do so on their own and I can play a TF solo, slowly, for XP.

Frankly, f you can't make a TF which is enjoyable to play then please don't bother. Don't say "It's so tiresome, you'll want to skip half of it". That's a dumb plan. *epic facepalm*

As for the rest of it ...

Praetorian content is very pretty but too annoying. Being sick of "City of Ambushes" I won't start a character there. The last thing I want to see is more of it. Keep the story quality and ditch the ambushes. I blame the Freak-farms in AE skewing the data mining and making devs think everyone wants to be up to their armpits in ambushes. People on pimped out 50s do, those of us on a low level squishy really don't. It's called 'variety' please remember that was the attraction of this game to a lot of us.

Some of the arcs in Praet are decently written; so there does seem to be someone capable of writing decent content. So get them to do it. Numina TF should be a start, it's an awful TF.

As for the guy who managed to fail a 7 hour Citadel ... this is obviously someone who shouldn't be anywhere near doing anything with CoX because he obviously has no clue about the game.

I don't expect to see any work on bases even though a lot of us get great pleasure from decorating them. But at least give ALL team members the ability to enter a leaders base if they have the permissions set that way. That would eliminate MUCH of the REALLY ANNOYING BLUESIDE TRAVEL ISSUES when you're a rogue. Listening to Vigilantes whine about a trip from Grandville to St Martial is really laughable when you're a Rogue trying to get from FF to Perez.

I don't really care about Incarnate stuff. It's too grindy and I have zero interest in Raids. I sincerely hope that upcoming issues has content for the rest of us because if it doesn't it isn't worth me paying for two accounts.

So for the love of all things good, go Union!

Originally Posted by VoodooGirl [*]Watching out for the Spinning Disco Portal of D00M!*

So it's nothing more than Evil Goatee Earth.

This is what everyone who's sick of Evil Goatee Earth is saying so I'm not sure where there's any argument. I was responding to Blue_Mourning's assertion that Praetoria 2.0 is somehow "deeper" than before. That's only true from 1-20 Gold side. Anywhere else and it's still as generic as you can get... "Yes, but it's EVIL Synapse!"