Sorry but do you even have an elec/fire toon? Did I insult you in some way? Why are you so rude? Why would I trust your math? I think that math is one thing and playability is another.
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Originally Posted by ultrawatt
*sigh* i had a long rather well constructed response about how SS/fire/mu > elec/fire(even with mu). But since you likely wouldn't understand it anyway, maybe you just dont know math or something, and make up some ******** response I'm just going to stop now.
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I don't think I've ever seen a SS character not using Rage outside of a few RPers here and there. If you stopped roleplaying during your farms, you'd probably find an elec/fire brute doesn't come anywhere close to a SS/fire brute ; I'd know, because a casual glance at the numbers can tell anyone so, but also because I have both combos. As usual, ingame experience shows good math is correct.
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Originally Posted by Nihilii
I don't think I've ever seen a SS character not using Rage outside of a few RPers here and there. If you stopped roleplaying during your farms, you'd probably find an elec/fire brute doesn't come anywhere close to a SS/fire brute ; I'd know, because a casual glance at the numbers can tell anyone so, but also because I have both combos. As usual, ingame experience shows good math is correct.
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Both have no issues, however the SS/Fire/Pyre has a T2 Cardiac plugged into the build. W/o that you may experience certain problems, I don't know how much. I didn't respec into the build until I had already slotted my Alpha Boost. |
Originally Posted by BellyButtonJelly
So which one do you run with no issues? SS/Fire/Pyre or SS/Fire/Body?
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If you're planning on going with a different Alpha Boost, then I say stick with SS/Fire/Body. And slot Conditioning, Phys Perfection with +end procs.
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Originally Posted by BellyButtonJelly
Yes and you just made my point SS/fire is not a great awesome farmer because you have to support it with the same stuff any other toon could grab. So ya the whole reason you grab SS is for FS+Rage.. which turns out to be a lousy combo in a farm. Many people who praise the SS/Fire also don't bother using Rage in the farm to avoid the crash.
What makes a good farmer? Lots of AOE that does good dmg and there are other sets that give you more AOE options than what SS can offer you. Build up an elec/fire then come talk to me about who knows what. |
Just so you know, I'm not talking without experience, my main Brute is an Elec/WP. I also have a Fire Armor/Elec Tank. My main farmers are my SS/Fire, DM/Fire, SS/WP Brutes and my Fire/Psi Dom. Yes, I made several farmers because they all get boring and its nice to change things up.
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Originally Posted by Gypsy_of_Paradox
If you like elec/fire cool, what helps in farming is not getting bored of the toon.
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Originally Posted by Shisui
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No doubt, but don't say a less than maxed toon is more maxed than the maxed one *boggle*
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Originally Posted by LygerZero
No doubt, but don't say a less than maxed toon is more maxed than the maxed one *boggle*
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for sure. and some people can probably machine through their farms daily with the same guy, week in week out. but for those with less discipline, having a nice selection of good farmers will probably get more farming done in the end.
I like my ss/wp brute cuz I can go into a ambush farm and put footstep on auto than leave for 10 min than reset...no joke
It's definately no the fastest but I can farm while I'm running TFs or pvpin on a diff account lol
BellyButtonJelly, lay off. We can see by your join date that you've had the game for less than a year, and Lyger has been on since '05, so they probably have more experience on the topic than you. Maybe the guy who PL'd your 2 50 brutes in that 6-7 month time period since you got the game likes elec/fire better, or a ss/fire brute that PL'd you wasn't quite as fast, but any ss/fire brute will out farm an elec/fire brute with the same inf invested.
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I think the statement he's referring to is in a conversation we had many months ago. I said that I didn't use Rage in a specific ambush farm because I used red inspirations to the point the Rage crash started slowing me down. In all other situations where you don't have an endless supply of inspirations to burn, Rage is used. So, I'm guessing I'm the many people he's talking about.|
Originally Posted by Nihilii
I don't think I've ever seen a SS character not using Rage outside of a few RPers here and there.
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As far as how just SS/Fire goes without an epic powerset, it's still effective and out-damages most combos out there. Just cycling between Foot Stomp and Burn can be devastating. However, since I can take epic powers, why wouldn't I? I'm sure BBJ's Elec/Fire does.
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Claws/Fire/Mu will actually crank out more AoE damage than SS/Fire/Mu if and only if you can routinely pack multiple mobs into Eviscerate and Spin, which requires the tightly-packed mobs that are only found in certain circumstances. For more standard content, SS/Fire will outperform Claws/Fire.
There was some discussion upthread about Burn being supercharged since the I18 buffs, but believe it or not Burn is actually worse for farming than it was before the change. Why? Burn still has a 5-target cap, which seems all well and good until you realize that the majority of the power's damage is now frontloaded into a PBAoE and the ticks are much less powerful than they were before. Burn previously would check for targets on every tick, so you'd end up doing much more damage to many more targets, especially if you were able to leverage knockdown or an immobilize (both of which were easy on an SS/Fire). Now, you'll do good damage to five targets and then mediocre damage to everything else in your area.
TL;DR: Claws/Fire can outperform SS/Fire in some situations, and I'm rather disappointed with new Burn's applications for farming.
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Originally Posted by BellyButtonJelly
SS/Fire is pretty boring stuff as you just wait for your one button(FS) to come up every 5 seconds. You can't use Rage either because the end drain slows you down to much. Elec/Fire is busy all the way killing non stop and LR has a bigger radius than FS. SS/Fire people have never tried anything but that build. I have both and SS/Fire is far more boring and I don't like managing the end if I don't have to. So what fun is it if you don't even use Rage?? You just have to rely on Red Insps of course.. and that means any AT is just as good if not better.
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Originally Posted by Pyro_Master_NA
BellyButtonJelly, lay off. We can see by your join date that you've had the game for less than a year, and Lyger has been on since '05, so they probably have more experience on the topic than you. Maybe the guy who PL'd your 2 50 brutes in that 6-7 month time period since you got the game likes elec/fire better, or a ss/fire brute that PL'd you wasn't quite as fast, but any ss/fire brute will out farm an elec/fire brute with the same inf invested.
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He's done this same song and dance before. He'll never get it.
Oh look, BBJ is trolling about SS/Fires again.
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Ok so burn checks for targets on every tick but does that depend on a certain radius? I'm just wondering since I've been using it on my brute and my fire/ice tank and combined with fireball even the mediocre mob will die pretty quick before the 2nd application.|
Originally Posted by macskull
Claws/Fire/Mu will actually crank out more AoE damage than SS/Fire/Mu if and only if you can routinely pack multiple mobs into Eviscerate and Spin, which requires the tightly-packed mobs that are only found in certain circumstances. For more standard content, SS/Fire will outperform Claws/Fire.
Burn still has a 5-target cap, which seems all well and good until you realize that the majority of the power's damage is now frontloaded into a PBAoE and the ticks are much less powerful than they were before. Burn previously would check for targets on every tick, so you'd end up doing much more damage to many more targets, especially if you were able to leverage knockdown or an immobilize (both of which were easy on an SS/Fire). Now, you'll do good damage to five targets and then mediocre damage to everything else in your area. |
Sadly I haven't got bored yet of the lady winter mission.
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If i am correct it 1st does front loaded dmg like any other PBAoE pseudo pet, then after that it will start doing ticks of dmg for 10 seconds, and yes it will check for targets on every tick (just like the old burn, but a lot fewer ticks as well as less dmg per tick) and it should do this within an 8 ft radius of where you 1st used burn.
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Originally Posted by BeastMan
Ok so burn checks for targets on every tick but does that depend on a certain radius? I'm just wondering since I've been using it on my brute and my fire/ice tank and combined with fireball even the mediocre mob will die pretty quick before the 2nd application.
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HAHA really! no no I joined many years ago.. infact the same year it came out. Took a break for a few years to. Anyway I just never bothered with the forum before.
I read lygers advice one time on a farmer build and could not believe what he was saying... and I was like this guy calls himself an expert farmer.. wow! Yet he knows nothing about what he is talking about. So I bit.. maybe to hard but still.. and others agree.. what he was saying was "odd" for an expert.
The other thing is these boards a full of people and their fake stats and claims its like you all have the same build and swear by it. I farmed with the ss/fire and I have farmed with others who use it and its not any faster.
And who are you anyway? Lyger's big bro?
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BellyButtonJelly, lay off. We can see by your join date that you've had the game for less than a year, and Lyger has been on since '05, so they probably have more experience on the topic than you. Maybe the guy who PL'd your 2 50 brutes in that 6-7 month time period since you got the game likes elec/fire better, or a ss/fire brute that PL'd you wasn't quite as fast, but any ss/fire brute will out farm an elec/fire brute with he same inf invested.
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So are you.
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Originally Posted by Deus_Otiosus
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No, I'm someone who can't stand when people give wrong information on forums meant to help people out. I have personally never talked to Lyger before, but his points seemed right, and made sense, yours did not and were quite rude. |
Originally Posted by BellyButtonJelly
HAHA really! no no I joined many years ago.. infact the same year it came out. Took a break for a few years to. Anyway I just never bothered with the forum before.
I read lygers advice one time on a farmer build and could not believe what he was saying... and I was like this guy calls himself an expert farmer.. wow! Yet he knows nothing about what he is talking about. So I bit.. maybe to hard but still.. and others agree.. what he was saying was "odd" for an expert. The other thing is these boards a full of people and their fake stats and claims its like you all have the same build and swear by it. I farmed with the ss/fire and I have farmed with others who use it and its not any faster. And who are you anyway? Lyger's big bro? |
And someone who knows nothing of farming....don't use rage on ss/ ? Really? I'm starting to see why you might not like SS. It's probably because
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Originally Posted by BellyButtonJelly
So are you.
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It was a post made sometime back not this one.. anyway maybe you should go find it and then see if you still like Lyger since you can't stand when people give wrong information. Most of the information he gives is strange.
I am not sure what server he is on but I would love to meetup in game and see his farmers. I know he reads my posts even though he says he has me on ignore 
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Originally Posted by Pyro_Master_NA
No, I'm someone who can't stand when people give wrong information on forums meant to help people out. I have personally never talked to Lyger before, but his points seemed right, and made sense, yours did not and were quite rude.
And someone who knows nothing of farming....don't use rage on ss/ ? Really? I'm starting to see why you might not like SS. It's probably because But troll on against what is commonly thought of as one of the best farming builds around, I'm sure it will help you out in the long run. And by the way, very well thought out response. |
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I suck. Seriously. I'm sorry. I'll try better. Don't listen to me or look at my builds. I'm embarrassed |
Originally Posted by Pyro_Master_NA
I have personally never talked to Lyger before, but his points seemed right, and made sense, yours did not and were quite rude.
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*Joins Farmaholics anonymous*
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Originally Posted by BellyButtonJelly
HAHA really! no no I joined many years ago.. infact the same year it came out. Took a break for a few years to. Anyway I just never bothered with the forum before.
I read lygers advice one time on a farmer build and could not believe what he was saying... and I was like this guy calls himself an expert farmer.. wow! Yet he knows nothing about what he is talking about. So I bit.. maybe to hard but still.. and others agree.. what he was saying was "odd" for an expert. The other thing is these boards a full of people and their fake stats and claims its like you all have the same build and swear by it. I farmed with the ss/fire and I have farmed with others who use it and its not any faster. And who are you anyway? Lyger's big bro? |
I actually went looking.
The first post you ever made about an SS/Fire (on this thread) was so bad that it, along with its immediate replies, got Modded out of existence.
( And concerning your flagged join date? 22/06/2010: "Thanks guys.. I have no idea how to build chars at all." ...
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Nothing to add to this thread except that this right here is probably the best response to trolling I've ever seen. Kudos.
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Originally Posted by MaelwysAlts
( And concerning your flagged join date? 22/06/2010: "Thanks guys.. I have no idea how to build chars at all." ... ) |
What makes a good farmer? Lots of AOE that does good dmg and there are other sets that give you more AOE options than what SS can offer you.
Build up an elec/fire then come talk to me about who knows what.
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