Very Best Farmer?


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Originally Posted by BellyButtonJelly View Post
If my build is slower who cares right?

The OP asked what is the "Very Best Farmer?”. I think you lost track of that while trying to defend your Brute and I don’t recall seeing anyone write that Elec/FA was an awful farmer, it’s just not the best. The whole point of making a farming toon is to effectively complete one task in the shortest amount of time possible for the maximum rewards. For Brutes, on a fire farm, the #1 Brute is SS/FA.


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Originally Posted by Rintera View Post
my farming build is Fire/Shield/Energy Mastery.

I know I could have picked pyre mastery for the Fireball, but energy mastery made me a little more hardy.


what I do is pop build up, and then shield charge+fire sword circle into the mobs, which usually takes out all minions and leuts. Then I just quickly finish the bosses off.
2 problems: To get SD to be as defensive as fire defense (against their best farmable targets) you need more defense bonus sets, which would eat into potential farm-efficiency sets. (even if admittedly it is easier to slot 5 LotG into SD-based builds) Also, SS is better than fire melee for farming because of rage.


 

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Um ya..suppression.. there is none because there is no attempt before the first application wears off. So no.. what are you talking about man?

Alpha slot is subject to diminishing returns? So is most of alpha?? what good is it then? Maybe you should write them and help them get their information correct cause I see the word "ignore" in there.
http://goingrogue.cityofheroes.com/e...lpha-slot.html

I also see a 4second difference in my LR which is sitting at 89% recharge
without the alpha slotted.

Hasten dropped from 3:43 to 3:30 with the alpha and its at 99% for power recharge. Ya you are right its having no effect at all.

I don't think you know much either.

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Originally Posted by Aquila_NA View Post
ALMOST had me going for a page or two. (Could ELM/FA REALLY be that good? *doubts*)
But this just confirmed for me that you really don't know as much about it as you think you do.

Yes, there is suppression when it is attempted before the first application wears off.
Yes, Alpha is basically built INTO the idea of diminishing because it acts upon power slotting, not global bonuses. Power slotting is subject to ED and so is most of Alpha.
Yes, triple-stacked Rage has diminishing returns. Sitting at double is the way to go.
No, Rage stacks add. As in 80% + 80% +80%. Ever use "real numbers" (in game)? Try Powers, Combat Attributes. Very interesting stuff.


 

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The uncommon alpha boost resists the effects of ED by 1/3, like it says in the description. I don't see anyone saying that it's useless and not doing anything, Aquila said that most of it is subject to ED, which 2/3 is.


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Yes and come early feb you can switch those percentages around. I don't think the alpha slot is subject to DR because it ignores a fixed amount of DR as said in the description. If something ignores something else how can it be subject to it? The description does not say anything about alpha being subject to DR. Alpha provides a bonus and provides a fixed amount of IT'S bonus that will ignore DR.

He made it sound as though it was or was implying that it was useless and I should not try to factor it in as much of a bonus due to DR. I may have been wrong to think that about his post.

I am sorry if I misunderstood the post.

Aquila(sounds like a roman name) I want no futher trouble.


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The uncommon alpha boost resists the effects of ED by 1/3, like it says in the description. I don't see anyone saying that it's useless and not doing anything, Aquila said that most of it is subject to ED, which 2/3 is.


 

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How is a toon that is only good at one farm type the "Very Best Farmer?” If I change the type of farm so that it resists smashing is it still the very best farmer?

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Originally Posted by Jets View Post
The OP asked what is the "Very Best Farmer?”. I think you lost track of that while trying to defend your Brute and I don’t recall seeing anyone write that Elec/FA was an awful farmer, it’s just not the best. The whole point of making a farming toon is to effectively complete one task in the shortest amount of time possible for the maximum rewards. For Brutes, on a fire farm, the #1 Brute is SS/FA.


 

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Originally Posted by BellyButtonJelly View Post
How is a toon that is only good at one farm type the "Very Best Farmer?” If I change the type of farm so that it resists smashing is it still the very best farmer?
Because farming toons are, by definition, very limited ni scope. Nobody farms 5 different maps with 5 different enemy groups. A farm is almost by definition a very specific map. In order to figure out who the "best" farming toon is, you need to also specify what they're farming.


Incidently, I farm the fab and AE missions with my dark/dark/energy brute. AoE is a bit weak, but he can survive almost anything. And what he doesn't survive, gets hit with a mag 30 stun when he stands back up.


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Originally Posted by BellyButtonJelly View Post
How is a toon that is only good at one farm type the "Very Best Farmer?” If I change the type of farm so that it resists smashing is it still the very best farmer?
Because the mob doesn't matter, only the inf/xp/tickets does. Because of AE, we can pick and choose which type of mob we want.

Because of this, fire is generally chosen because of the ease of capping fire damage resist (otherwise SD would be a very significant competitor)

Not to mention that there's no set limit to abilities. There is no single build which can farm ALL types of mobs and still kill fast, and there are some mobs which are simply not farmable. Defense builds fails against mobs with -def and to-hit bonuses. Resist builds usually have some weakness, or has weaker resistances overall. Nemesis are simply not farmable due to stacking vengence. Ghouls (when it is available for AE) aoe-heal-on-death makes AoE tedius. Anything with soul transfer can single-handedly hold almost any build with it's auto-hit 30 mag hold, assuming within range. Stacking hurricane would make most builds wiff at everything.


 

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Originally Posted by BellyButtonJelly View Post
How is a toon that is only good at one farm type the "Very Best Farmer?” If I change the type of farm so that it resists smashing is it still the very best farmer?
Clearly you fail to understand what it means to be a farmer, but your random comments have been pretty funny. Let me highlight something for you...

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The whole point of making a farming toon is to effectively complete one task in the shortest amount of time possible for the maximum rewards.
Add or take away all you want or comeback with another what-if, it doesn’t change anything. We used to farm Dreck, Wolves, Family, heck we even farmed the Winter Lord. Farmers built ATs for those specific farms and we continue to do so, and the King right now is the SS/FA Brute. Take it or leave it, until you bring facts or evidence that some other AT or build is better no one is going to take you seriously.


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oh relax.. thought I might have some fun.. man look at all the comments on that one. So many of you just dying to teach me a lesson.

I have never seen you post here before.. I guess this was your first chance to reply to me with "fail" in the post. cool!

Honestly I was in a farm tonight with an ss/fire toon.. and he kept saying.. to me.. "I think your faster at this than my toon is". Ya I get that a lot. If I see an ss/fire I almost always farm with them, showem how its done.

Good times.. I am on freedom if you are dying to see how its done.

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Originally Posted by Jets View Post
Clearly you fail to understand what it means to be a farmer, but your random comments have been pretty funny. Let me highlight something for you...



Add or take away all you want or comeback with another what-if, it doesn’t change anything. We used to farm Dreck, Wolves, Family, heck we even farmed the Winter Lord. Farmers built ATs for those specific farms and we continue to do so, and the King right now is the SS/FA Brute. Take it or leave it, until you bring facts or evidence that some other AT or build is better no one is going to take you seriously.


 

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I still like the idea of posting videos. seriously. i'd like to see a high-end SS/FA Brute vs a high-end Elec/FA Brute for comparison. then i'd like to see the actual builds posted. could be constructive to many of us.


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I've a slightly different question, which may or may not alter the conclusion... What's the best farmer at lv 35? (for lv 35 recipe purposes)


 

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I still like the idea of posting videos. seriously. i'd like to see a high-end SS/FA Brute vs a high-end Elec/FA Brute for comparison. then i'd like to see the actual builds posted. could be constructive to many of us.
I tried to do with yesterday. I downloaded CamStudio (not a good program?) and ran a mish while recording, but my screen started flashing bright green so i was unable to get anything. So if anyone could help me out i would be glad to post a video.


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I knew BBJ would back down, but I got to say I didn't expect him to keep running his mouth after publically admitting he can't do it. Heh.

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I tried to do with yesterday. I downloaded CamStudio (not a good program?) and ran a mish while recording, but my screen started flashing bright green so i was unable to get anything. So if anyone could help me out i would be glad to post a video.
I use FRAPS (paid version; free stops after 30s), it works well. Another option, if it works for you, is to use the WeGame client. It records, encodes and uploads to WeGame.com.


 

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I knew BBJ would back down, but I got to say I didn't expect him to keep running his mouth after publically admitting he can't do it. Heh.



I use FRAPS (paid version; free stops after 30s), it works well. Another option, if it works for you, is to use the WeGame client. It records, encodes and uploads to WeGame.com.
Ok, cool. Ill try to use the WeGame thing.


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Originally Posted by BellyButtonJelly View Post
If I see an ss/fire I almost always farm with them, showem how its done.
Why dont you post your build, I would be interested in seeing it since its so awesome.


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Originally Posted by Signpost View Post
2 problems: To get SD to be as defensive as fire defense (against their best farmable targets) you need more defense bonus sets, which would eat into potential farm-efficiency sets. (even if admittedly it is easier to slot 5 LotG into SD-based builds) Also, SS is better than fire melee for farming because of rage.
o.O I had a SS/shield beforehand, and I didn't really like it.


but also, I'm not geared towards one specific type of farm, in fact....I'm not even a FARM specific build.

I'm just able to farm extremely well with not 1 problem whatsoever.


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Trying to get a video to upload and i cant seem to get Wegame to work. Do i have to be running from WeGame where it has all your games and stuff, because i cant get that to work.

Anyway, i got a video using camstudio (**** them) but it has REALLY REALLY REALLY crappy quality and for some god awful reason the colors got ****** up. I guess i suck at this kind of stuff >.<


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Spines/Fire Scrapper less than, greater than, or about equal to SS/Fire?


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in missions in small buildings, where theres so many bad guys that they have nowhere to run, it probably outpaces the brute until the herd thins a bit.


 

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in missions in small buildings, where theres so many bad guys that they have nowhere to run, it probably outpaces the brute until the herd thins a bit.
In the very same conditions, a claw/fire brute would surpass the damage potential of a spine/fire scrapper if I'm not wrong. Spin has nearly the same damage as spine burst (78.83 vs 81.96), faster recharge, faster animation time, lower end cost. That's pre-fury, and pre-follow-up (which is likely to be doublestacked). Where spin loses out greatly is the range... but if there's so many mobs that they have nowhere to run, I don't see that as an issue.


 

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Originally Posted by Silas View Post
Less than. Comparable damage but lack of taunt aura means stuff will run from you.
Quills/Blazing Aura don't Taunt? Boo =/


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I don’t think mobs would run. In ambush farms the mob actually hones in on you and will even stay by someone even after they died. And i think Blazing Aura might still taunt, not 100% sure though.
And without useing a lot of purple insp Spine/fire is much more squishy than a /fire brute due to the lower res cap. And you do have a long *** animation from Spine burst.
But honestly its too close to call i think, it would need to be actually tested out imo.


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I don’t think mobs would run. In ambush farms the mob actually hones in on you and will even stay by someone even after they died. And i think Blazing Aura might still taunt, not 100% sure though.
And without useing a lot of purple insp Spine/fire is much more squishy than a /fire brute due to the lower res cap. And you do have a long *** animation from Spine burst.
But honestly its too close to call i think, it would need to be actually tested out imo.
Blazing Aura, on a Scrapper, does not Taunt. Burn will actively scare things away on a Scrapper.

Of course Spines is probably the best set for dealing with that sort of running, Slows as secondary effects and Quills taunting them back.