Issue 19 - Patch Notes for build 1900.201011102104.23
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Posted on: 2010-12-10 16:18 in The Global Training Room Test Server
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Players will also no longer receive their assorted nuts. Sorry, every one, who was hoping for a less "mixed" change, won't be getting their discount bag anytime soon.
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Originally Posted by Avatea
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- Trapdoor can no longer be dragged out of range of his Bifurcations.
Ouch. This willmake killing trapdoor harder.
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Which Dev is getting all bothered and upset that players find an alternative way to solve a problem?|
Originally Posted by Avatea
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You know, in the comics, separating a foe from their power source is usually a winning tactic as much as destroying their power source.
There's a pattern here. A bad one. Where other MMOs get applauded that encounters are not rigidly designed to be completed in only one way, CoH, which *used to* be like that is heading down the road of the egotistical Dungeon Master who forces players to find the *right way* or die.
Rather than applauding player ingenuity in finding non-exploitive alternate solutions, they get punished.
I find that reprehensible.
For shame.
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I really don't understand how people are having so much trouble with Trapdoor. I soloed him on a Blaster at base difficulty. Inspirations exist for a reason.
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I have to agree. This is basically turning my squishies into LOSERS that can't even use a tactic to get around someone's high regen rate solo.|
Originally Posted by Zombie Man
[/LIST][/LIST]Which Dev is getting all bothered and upset that players find an alternative way to solve a problem?
You know, in the comics, separating a foe from their power source is usually a winning tactic as much as destroying their power source. There's a pattern here. A bad one. Where other MMOs get applauded that encounters are not rigidly designed to be completed in only one way, CoH, which *used to* be like that is heading down the road of the egotistical Dungeon Master who forces players to find the *right way* or die. Rather than applauding player ingenuity in finding non-exploitive alternate solutions, they get punished. I find that reprehensible. For shame. |
Now I have to use two 'auto-completes' to get this Arc done solo, because even the Weakened Honoree is totally broken against defenders and corruptors.
Yeah, that make me feel like I'm becoming an incarnate...
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I found him to be a pain in the *** on my squishies...thankfully KB is a godsend.
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Originally Posted by Demobot
I really don't understand how people are having so much trouble with Trapdoor. I soloed him on a Blaster at base difficulty. Inspirations exist for a reason.
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I agree, but I also think it's kind of crappy to take away such a basic tactic. Why does the only way to defeat Trapdoor have to be to DPS him down? (I'm including killing his bifurcations there.)|
Originally Posted by Demobot
I really don't understand how people are having so much trouble with Trapdoor. I soloed him on a Blaster at base difficulty. Inspirations exist for a reason.
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I haven't had any problem defeating him, even on squishies. But it seems an odd thing to disallow an alternative approach.
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One wonders if the next step to FORCE players to do things in a specific way is either removing the lava from the room or giving that incarnate runt crazy KB resist...
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Originally Posted by Avatea
Trapdoor can no longer be dragged out of range of his Bifurcations.
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Is it possible to have Trapdoor stop Bifuricating while you are NOT in the mission?
For example, I was doing this mission on one of my toons and I died from him (1-hit death) and when I came back, he had like 5 or 6 copies regen'ing him....yeah...how nice....
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Originally Posted by Avatea
Trapdoor can no longer be dragged out of range of his Bifurcations.
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You know, that was my second thought when I read that patch note. (My first thought was "no big deal.") If pulling him away is somehow thought of as too powerful a strategy, why not just add more bifurcation spawn points throughout the map until, given time, he can replace any bifurcates he's drawn away from?
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Originally Posted by UberGuy
I haven't had any problem defeating him, even on squishies. But it seems an odd thing to disallow an alternative approach.
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This x 1000, all its going to do is make me take 6 days to get an incarnate slot unlocked instead of 3. I am never doing that mission with the 2 AVs in it ever again. Its too hard for those who dont have max resists or max defense. The trap door thing is just a huge waste of time more so than it is a challenge. Just gonna drop the misison to not have to deal with that crappy frustration of it all. If they are going to do all of this then why not make it into a TF itself? I been saying that since day 1 because as it stands now it does require a group for the more squishie folk who do not abuse inspirations.
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Originally Posted by Zombie Man
[/LIST][/LIST]Which Dev is getting all bothered and upset that players find an alternative way to solve a problem?
You know, in the comics, separating a foe from their power source is usually a winning tactic as much as destroying their power source. There's a pattern here. A bad one. Where other MMOs get applauded that encounters are not rigidly designed to be completed in only one way, CoH, which *used to* be like that is heading down the road of the egotistical Dungeon Master who forces players to find the *right way* or die. Rather than applauding player ingenuity in finding non-exploitive alternate solutions, they get punished. I find that reprehensible. For shame. |
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Originally Posted by EvilRyu
This x 1000, all its going to do is make me take 6 days to get an incarnate slot unlocked instead of 3. I am never doing that mission with the 2 AVs in it ever again. Its too hard for those who dont have max resists or max defense. The trap door thing is just a huge waste of time more so than it is a challenge. Just gonna drop the misison to not have to deal with that crappy frustration of it all. If they are going to do all of this then why not make it into a TF itself? I been saying that since day 1 because as it stands now it does require a group for the more squishie folk who do not abuse inspirations.
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Is it too hard to invite just one person to help you (not even 7 more, just one)? It's not like there's not a ton of folks standing around in Ouro or anything, right now. Or have you pissed off enough people on your server that no one wants to team with you anymore?
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Ummm, no you won't, because, unless they change it, Trapdoor is not autocompletable.|
Originally Posted by Futurias
I have to agree. This is basically turning my squishies into LOSERS that can't even use a tactic to get around someone's high regen rate solo.
Now I have to use two 'auto-completes' to get this Arc done solo, because even the Weakened Honoree is totally broken against defenders and corruptors. Yeah, that make me feel like I'm becoming an incarnate... |
I echo what everyone else says, silly change. I didn't have any trouble with him, but silly none the less.
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He is NOT HARD TO KILL.|
Originally Posted by je_saist
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Thanks for making it harder, Devs!
There are still ways to kill him, and it's still easy. Hold his Bifurcations, lava him, or just KILL the bifurcations like you're SUPPOSED to. Jeez, you people are lazy. I've done this mission on squishies and smashies alike and have had no problem.
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Originally Posted by Avatea
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Originally Posted by nalrok_athzim
he is not hard to kill.
Thanks for making it harder, devs! :d there are still ways to kill him, and it's still easy. Hold his bifurcations, lava him, or just kill the bifurcations like you're supposed to. Jeez, you people are lazy. I've done this mission on squishies and smashies alike and have had no problem. |
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